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Atticus Finch posted:Taker/Lesnar has already happened, and I love Swagger but Angle/Swagger as a big money dream match? It could be a big money dream match. Not today, but it could become one.
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Two questions, both involving discussion that has appeared in the past couple of pages. a. When I was younger and really into wrestling (back during Rock's big face run while Austin was injured, in particular), I discovered the internet wrestling community. Well, it was the little section on GameFAQs (don't judge me, I was about 13). I remember seeing a lot of hate for the Rock because of his ability to work. It was so bad I even hated the Rock for a while because it rubbed off on me, preferring Angle and Taker, even though I started watching wrestling with the Rock as my favorite. Do any IWC veterans from back then remember any anti-Rock sentiment like this? Or was this just a stupid group of fans? I ask because many think the Rock is one of the greatest of all time, and during that discussion I didn't see anything really criticizing his working ability when everyone hated him back then, IIRC. Maybe it was just a case of looking at the present with poo poo colored glasses. b. So the whole "Batista Dick" thing involves Maria's reaction to it? I'm kind of curious, what was the reaction? That screenshot really didn't help much. How did Sean Waltman react too?
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Feb 19, 2011 23:41
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There's always gonna be somebody who hates the top guy.
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Sugar Blaster posted:Yeah, but now people in the mainstream actually know/care about Brock.
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Feb 19, 2011 23:52
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There was a big sentiment early on that the Rock was a lovely worker. By 98 I think most people on the net would admit he was athletic and could sell, but maybe lacked in other areas. As time went on more and more people realized he was good. After that Iron Man match with HHH only the most devoted Rock haters thought he sucked.
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Feb 19, 2011 23:53
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MassRayPer posted:There was a big sentiment early on that the Rock was a lovely worker. By 98 I think most people on the net would admit he was athletic and could sell, but maybe lacked in other areas. As time went on more and more people realized he was good. After that Iron Man match with HHH only the most devoted Rock haters thought he sucked. I remember some psycho from 411 who would only call him Flex Kavana. Eric Sceluerewski?
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Feb 19, 2011 23:55
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crankdatbatman posted:Two questions, both involving discussion that has appeared in the past couple of pages. I got sick of him spending most of his matches throwing punches pretty quick, but I wasn't really on the internet back then so it wasn't me.
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Feb 19, 2011 23:58
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MassRayPer posted:There was a big sentiment early on that the Rock was a lovely worker. By 98 I think most people on the net would admit he was athletic and could sell, but maybe lacked in other areas. As time went on more and more people realized he was good. After that Iron Man match with HHH only the most devoted Rock haters thought he sucked. I agree with you now, but I remember this sentiment being really popular back then. Of course, it was GameFaqs.
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Moose Bigelow posted:I remember some psycho from 411 who would only call him Flex Kavana. Eric Sceluerewski? Yeah, Szulczewski thought Rock had become a terrible, lazy babyface. So when Rock was a heel he called him "Rock," but when he was a face it was all "Flex."
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Feb 20, 2011 00:08
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crankdatbatman posted:I agree with you now, but I remember this sentiment being really popular back then. Of course, it was GameFaqs. When you have a gathering of hardcore fans of anything with a significant history, you're going to get a general consensus of hate on the current and people wishing for the "good old days," justified or not. Ten years from now the next generation of smarks are going to be wishing for the good old days of John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton and despise whoever the most popular wrestler is.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:When you have a gathering of hardcore fans of anything with a significant history, you're going to get a general consensus of hate on the current and people wishing for the "good old days," justified or not. Ten years from now the next generation of smarks are going to be wishing for the good old days of John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton and despise whoever the most popular wrestler is. Plus the general tendency of some people to hate anything popular (or at least seem to), and the tendency of internet wrestling fans to hate any face, especially a popular main event face.
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Feb 20, 2011 00:16
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crankdatbatman posted:I remember seeing a lot of hate for the Rock because of his ability to work. It was so bad I even hated the Rock for a while because it rubbed off on me, preferring Angle and Taker, even though I started watching wrestling with the Rock as my favorite. Do any IWC veterans from back then remember any anti-Rock sentiment like this? Or was this just a stupid group of fans? Rock hate was a widespread thing on the internet at that time. It's not really surprising, it's always the case that people will get sick of the top face overcoming the odds and defeating the bad guys over and over and over again. And of course Rock did get very repetitive with his promos as time went on. He just became stale, and was in bad need of freshening up his act. Which he did when he turned heel, and internet opinion on him switched completely at that time.
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Weren't fans in general starting to get sick of him? I thought I remember hearing that by the time he had the match at SummerSlam with Lesnar the crowd had pretty much turned on him.
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Suben posted:Weren't fans in general starting to get sick of him? I thought I remember hearing that by the time he had the match at SummerSlam with Lesnar the crowd had pretty much turned on him. Everyone knew that was his last match, so the crowd pretty much showed their sense of betrayal at him going on to bigger and better things.
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I hated that because Rock was throwing everything he had into that match in order to make Lesnar a star, and getting poo poo on by the crowd. It also probably set the stage for the Lesnar face turn when he was obviously built and designed for the express purpose of being a Monster Heel.
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Feb 20, 2011 01:14
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Jerusalem posted:I hated that because Rock was throwing everything he had into that match in order to make Lesnar a star, and getting poo poo on by the crowd. It also probably set the stage for the Lesnar face turn when he was obviously built and designed for the express purpose of being a Monster Heel. I dunno, I liked Brock as the babyface. It's obviously not his strength personality-wise, but in terms of a Road Warrior-esque dude who can come in and clean house, throw Big Show around like a midget and generally get people pumped, Brock had a lot going for him.
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in the 90's, were there any other big Indy promotions besides ECW?
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BigRed0427 posted:in the 90's, were there any other big Indy promotions besides ECW? Smokey Mountain Wrestling, USWA (Memphis), GCW (Texas), Herb Abram's UWF, and in the very early 90s Portland still had TV and a regular circuit.
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Depends on your definition of big. Smokey Mountain wrestling was pretty big in its territory, but never really expanded due in no small part to its old school product. Memphis was still relatively strong as a territory in no small part due to its working relationship with the WWF. Otherwise most other promotions that set up pretty much collapsed within weeks of their money backer deciding he wanted a piece of the wrestling boom, or never gained exposure due to a lack of big tape trading websites.
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Feb 20, 2011 01:45
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Suben posted:Weren't fans in general starting to get sick of him? I thought I remember hearing that by the time he had the match at SummerSlam with Lesnar the crowd had pretty much turned on him. I remember Wrestlemania X-8 against Hogan he was "surprisingly" booed while Hogan was strongly cheered. Which I always took to be the reason Hogan turned face shortly afterward, pretty much killing the nWo revival angle only a month after it had really started.
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crankdatbatman posted:I remember Wrestlemania X-8 against Hogan he was "surprisingly" booed while Hogan was strongly cheered. Which I always took to be the reason Hogan turned face shortly afterward, pretty much killing the nWo revival angle only a month after it had really started. either that or Hogan's massive hardon for recapturing his glory days turning to a better target.
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TO be fair the crowd was so HUGELY behind Hogan at the time that it only made sense for WWE to decide the ride the nostalgia train. Unfortunately the wheels fell off of it pretty drat quickly.
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Save Russian Jews posted:either that or Hogan's massive hardon for recapturing his glory days turning to a better target. No, the crowd turned him face.
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:No, the crowd turned him face. since when are you assholes not cynical?
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Pneub posted:Wait, how accurate was I? I was just doing an impersonation. He chuckled and said "10 inch".
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Manwithastick posted:Aside from Rock/Cena and Sting/Taker, What big money dream matches still exist in the WWE? It wouldn't be huge in America but Rey vs. Mistico is basically a licence to print money in Mexico.
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Save Russian Jews posted:since when are you assholes not cynical? I'm not cynical 
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crankdatbatman posted:How did Sean Waltman react too? A very stoned "....huh huh whut?"
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crankdatbatman posted:Two questions, both involving discussion that has appeared in the past couple of pages. His Sharpshooter really loving blew. And he threw a lot of punches and slaps. He didn't do a lot of quote-wrestling-unquote, either. Still, Rock ruled.
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Rock was always really good at reacting to what the crowd gave him. He embraced the "Heel" role in both of those two instances mentioned, when many workers would have gotten flustered or said "gently caress you, I'm the face in this match and I'm going to act like it". If he'd still pretended to be the face version of The Rock against Hogan, that match would have bombed.
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Neodoomium posted:Rock was always really good at reacting to what the crowd gave him. He embraced the "Heel" role in both of those two instances mentioned, when many workers would have gotten flustered or said "gently caress you, I'm the face in this match and I'm going to act like it". Pretty much. Rock's a great worker in the same way that Hogan is. They both know what they're good at, and they know what gets a response from the crowd and when to do it. But they're not the cleanest, most technically sound wrestlers you'll ever see.
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Jerusalem posted:I hated that because Rock was throwing everything he had into that match in order to make Lesnar a star, and getting poo poo on by the crowd. It also probably set the stage for the Lesnar face turn when he was obviously built and designed for the express purpose of being a Monster Heel. If it helps, then when the Rock was heel against Goldberg at Backlash '03, the people at the arena knew he was leaving again and they booed the hell out of goldberg instead.
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ADRIEN GRODYS FIFE posted:No, the crowd turned him face. I think the way the match was structured, Hogan was definately meant to come out of it as a babyface. The crowd initialy boo's Hogan's entrance, and it isn't until he squares off with Rock that the crowd realise the surreality of what they're seeing, and start marking out for the staredown. After that, Hogan starts pandering to the crowd, and the first spot in the match (I think it's called the 'Shine'?) is Hogan hitting his usual babyface offense, and then posing to milk the crowd reactions. It's not until the crowd is going completely apeshit for him that he starts working as a heel, at which point the crowd is marking so hard at the match itself, that he could shoot a puppy, and still get cheered.
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Gaz-L posted:Pretty much. Rock's a great worker in the same way that Hogan is. They both know what they're good at, and they know what gets a response from the crowd and when to do it. But they're not the cleanest, most technically sound wrestlers you'll ever see. Rock was a loving lot better than Hogan ever was. Tyma posted:I think the way the match was structured, Hogan was definately meant to come out of it as a babyface. It was pretty clear after their first in-ring confrontation on RAW where they went nose-to-nose then looked back and forth at the crowd that they were going to get a split reaction. Throw in that WMX8 was in Toronto (AKA "Bizarro World") and I'm sure they were expecting the reaction Hogan got and that he would be a face coming out of it.
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So what's the point of having clipped matches on DVD releases and such? Puro/Joshi stuff seems to be especially bad with it from what I can gather. Is it to shorten the running time because of space issues or something? Either way, it's pretty annoying to try and find a match only to find out it seemingly only exists in clipped form.
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Is Sting/Undertaker just the "these are two of the most emblematic people from their respective promotions" dream match? Or do they have some sort of other obvious potential conflict? Being spooky? Beth Phoenix/Chyna might qualify as a dream match for anyone who likes that sort of thing. A feud between Santino Marella and the Ultimate Warrior might be pretty amazing. Again, for anyone who likes that sort of thing.
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Tyma posted:I think the way the match was structured, Hogan was definately meant to come out of it as a babyface. That is not true. I was there live and nobody was booing Hogan during his entrance. Toronto has always been very pro-Hogan. Hogan got a lot of cheers when Nitro was held at the ACC as well despite being a heel at the time. Skip to 7:00 and see for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hayJiSJ5sVc budreck fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Feb 20, 2011 |
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budreck posted:That is not true. I was there live and nobody was booing Hogan during his entrance. Toronto has always been very pro-Hogan. Wrestlers universally loved in Canada: Bret Hart Chris Jericho Hulk Hogan
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Wait Hulk Hogan was a member of the Wolfpac? I thought that group was formed for the sole reason of taking on Hogan's black and white NWO faction? I could be wrong though, that's around the time I stopped paying attention to WCW's main event scene altogether and started switching it to RAW every Monday at around 10:30. WCW 
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Wait Hulk Hogan was a member of the Wolfpac? I thought that group was formed for the sole reason of taking on Hogan's black and white NWO faction? I could be wrong though, that's around the time I stopped paying attention to WCW's main event scene altogether and started switching it to RAW every Monday at around 10:30. They merged in 98 back into 1 big nWo
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