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Bear in mind that Clan Widowmaker is led by Natasha Kerensky. You're hosed.
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Mar 4, 2011 15:25
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Arquinsiel posted:Bear in mind that Clan Widowmaker is led by Natasha Kerensky. If PTN puts us in a fight against the Black Widow herself, I expect no less than Lt. Kearney Barnes on our team. 0/0 ain't got poo poo on his kneecapping powers. 
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Mar 4, 2011 15:38
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Should Kerensky herself appear on the field during the clan encounter, in my mind there are two semi-usable options: 1) Ignore all other opponents and mass fire to bring her down (suicidal? yes. We will most likely lose a few units to her.) 2) Use someone as a distraction (read: sacrificial lamb)to keep her busy while the others attempt to complete the scenario's objectives.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:14
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landcollector posted:Should Kerensky herself appear on the field during the clan encounter, in my mind there are two semi-usable options: 3) Cry
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Mar 4, 2011 16:17
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My point is that Natasha will win whatever it takes. The reason she was sent with the Dragoons as the sole trueborn warrior is that she was jsut too hardcore for the Clans to put up with her making them look bad all the time.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:18
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Mukaikubo posted:3) Cry and pray for a relatively painless death Acknowledged and fixed. I can't believe I forgot that option... landcollector fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 4, 2011 |
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Mar 4, 2011 16:22
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OH gently caress. She'll be driving the Widowmaker too.... Quick painless death is definitely an option with that beast. Upto four mechs at once (not counting TAC.... srsly) depending on what rules PTN is using.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:34
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Hm. I'm thinking of walking over the hill in front of me to at least put it between me and that bloody infantry for a little longer while I move into Mech Killin' Range.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:53
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anakha posted:0/0 ain't got poo poo on his kneecapping powers. I love assumptions, don't you?  Assuming she's not worse than she was in the normal timeline. Assuming her stats in the normal timeline weren't exaggerated. Assuming she's not better than she was in the normal timeline. Oh, and we will be seeing Ulric too.
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Mar 4, 2011 16:59
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Well given that her current stats are: 0 Gunnery, 0 Piloting; Ignores all enemy commander special rules; Can split fire with no penalty; Whatever the Wolf Spider Cluster special rules are; and a pile of AToW stuff I don't remember. If you can make her more of a terror then I salute you.
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Mar 4, 2011 17:06
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PoptartsNinja posted:I love assumptions, don't you? Two of those cancel out; this foreshadowing makes me feel less threatened instead of more.
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Mar 4, 2011 17:33
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Two of those cancel out; this foreshadowing makes me feel less threatened instead of more. I didn't say they were concurrent assumptions. Also, it's entirely possible for someone to be 'worse' while still being 'better' (in other ways).
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Mar 4, 2011 17:35
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PoptartsNinja posted:I didn't say they were concurrent assumptions. Also, it's entirely possible for someone to be 'worse' while still being 'better' (in other ways). After all, this *is* a Natasha Kerensky in her 'prime'- but not as experienced, without decades of time fighting in the Inner Sphere, etc.
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Mar 4, 2011 17:42
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PoptartsNinja posted:I didn't say they were concurrent assumptions. Also, it's entirely possible for someone to be 'worse' while still being 'better' (in other ways). I'm just saying it's hard to beat the kind of boogeyman Arquinsiel laid out.
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Mar 4, 2011 17:51
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Mukaikubo posted:After all, this *is* a Natasha Kerensky in her 'prime'- but not as experienced, without decades of time fighting in the Inner Sphere, etc. So that means what? 0/1 with a penalty of 1 when splitting fire?  Admittedly, not knowing how the IS works could work in our favor during the first engagement, but just because Clanners follow the rules of Zellbrigen, it doesn't mean they won't stop following them when they face an opponent that doesn't know or respect that code. Unless they are written as wannabe-klingon, like I've seen happening many times on the internet. 
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Mar 4, 2011 18:00
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Mukaikubo posted:After all, this *is* a Natasha Kerensky in her 'prime' It's amazing that 'about 50 years old' is considered her 'prime', considering she fought in the Invasion at, what... 73 years old? I think it's pretty safe to assume most of the current-generation (i.e., the new 20 year old sibko 'Mechwarriors of Clan Widowmaker) have never served under a different Khan. Which is pretty awesome, considering most Clans seem to go through about one Khan every ten years; give or take (and barring exceptions like Martha Pryde)
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Mar 4, 2011 18:10
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's amazing that 'about 50 years old' is considered her 'prime', considering she fought in the Invasion at, what... 73 years old? I think it's pretty safe to assume most of the current-generation (i.e., the new 20 year old sibko 'Mechwarriors of Clan Widowmaker) have never served under a different Khan. Someone of the Black Widow's talent, their 'prime' probably starts when they stop using diapers and extends until when they start up again, admittedly.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:22
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Mukaikubo posted:Someone of the Black Widow's talent, their 'prime' probably starts when they stop using diapers and extends until when they start up again, admittedly. Do the Clans obey the Ares Conventions? And if not, could we maybe drop a spaceship on her or something? That's starting to look like our best option.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:24
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paragon1 posted:Do the Clans obey the Ares Conventions? And if not, could we maybe drop a spaceship on her or something? That's starting to look like our best option. Well, if I remember correctly, the Ares convention were a post-exodus thing so the Clan probably don't know of it. But at the same time, Clan warfare revolves around some key aspects, one of those is losing the least possible resources. And WMDs are kinda against those principles. So they don't know about them, but they probably will respect them anyway.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:29
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paragon1 posted:Do the Clans obey the Ares Conventions? And if not, could we maybe drop a spaceship on her or something? That's starting to look like our best option. Hell with that. I'm up in the next group. If PTN blows his Major NPC wad early and shows me the Widowmaker, you bet your rear end I am going to fight her in a Nero-style FIRE EVERYTHING duel. Will I lose? Almost certainly. But oh, the glory if I somehow pull off a win! ...and yes, I am fully aware of what a Clanner-like opinion that is. 
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Mar 4, 2011 18:30
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paragon1 posted:Do the Clans obey the Ares Conventions? And if not, could we maybe drop a spaceship on her or something? That's starting to look like our best option. That might work. However, that might also cause her to pull an Id (from Xenogears) on our hapless unit. "That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!"  Sure, I'm exaggerating, but probably not by much.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:32
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If you murdered their khan with dishonorable trickery, the remaining clan units would go apeshit, and they'd probably say "gently caress our force bid, DEPLOY EVERYTHING". Unless they were really, really pissed. Then they'd say "gently caress our force bid, bomb these freebirths from orbit." That'd be an interesting turn, if nothing else.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:36
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Mukaikubo posted:Hell with that. I'm up in the next group. If PTN blows his Major NPC wad early and shows me the Widowmaker, you bet your rear end I am going to fight her in a Nero-style FIRE EVERYTHING duel. Will I lose? Almost certainly. But oh, the glory if I somehow pull off a win! I'll make you a deal. You do that, and the rest of us will wait outside of the blast zone. 
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Mar 4, 2011 18:39
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anakha posted:If PTN puts us in a fight against the Black Widow herself, I expect no less than Lt. Kearney Barnes on our team. No thank you. Lt. Barnes is currently enjoying a life far away from the Clan invasion corridor. He has no desire to die a very premature death. He will however forward your request to MechWarrior Desmond.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:56
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Mukaikubo posted:3) Cry You're not thinking BattleTechnologically. She is a female villain, and that means that she is waiting for a heroic male like Colonel Caesar Steiner to cure her of her evilness with his dong. So she'll probably defect after he bangs her and she falls hopelessly in love with him.
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Mar 4, 2011 21:42
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You'd have to shoot her current ride out from under her before you could storm that fortress with your assault lance anyway. So to speak.
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Mar 4, 2011 22:53
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I'm soooo going to laugh if PTN brings in Natasha just to see her Mech receive a gauss slug to the head two turns into the scenario due to goony dice-rolls.
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Mar 4, 2011 23:21
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Zaodai posted:You'd have to shoot her current ride out from under her before you could storm that fortress with your assault lance anyway. It's more likely she captures him but then they escape together, since that's much more cliche.
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Mar 4, 2011 23:23
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Defiance Industries posted:It's more likely she captures him but then they escape together, since that's much more cliche. That or they get trapped in the wilderness together, and are forced to rely on each other to survive, overcome their mutual hatred, learn to respect each other, bang, produce a Mary Sue.
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Mar 4, 2011 23:28
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radintorov posted:So that means what? 0/1 with a penalty of 1 when splitting fire? Now that I'm at home and have all relevant resources, the Black Widow has the following: +8 mod to Acting, Leadership, Tactics (IE: anything but a 2 or 3 counts as rolling a 12 for those skills); Her Command Lance or Star is immune to Morale checks; She negates all special command abilities the enemy commander has. Blood Stalker (optional +1 to hit declared primary target, -2 for all others + is good in AToW); Multi-Tasker (better at shooting multiple targets, and stuff behind her); Sniper (halves range mods); Demoraliser(can scare you into moving slower and being a poo poo shot); And depending which unit she's rockin': Wolf Spider Company: 100% hidden deployment, off-board movement; Thirteenth Wolf Guards: Force the Initiative; She will wreck your poo poo casually.
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Mar 5, 2011 00:16
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What if she comes up against someone else who has the special ability to ignore all the opposing commander's special ability? [edit]Oh, right, of course. They have to gently caress. No, I don't care if the other someone else is also a woman. Actually, I hope it is. They still have to gently caress.
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Mar 5, 2011 01:38
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Arquinsiel posted:Did you not read my post? Natasha, like all Wolf's Dragoons, currently ignores that penalty. But it was just a joke.  Edit: it's ok. Honestly this is the first time I've seen those unit/faction-specific rules. Then again, I'm familiar with only few Tier 2 and above rules (mainly those related to special equipment (BAP, MASC, CASE, etc.), building 'mechs and generic infantry and vehicles). \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ radintorov fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Mar 5, 2011 |
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Mar 5, 2011 01:54
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Sorry man, I gotta whiteknight the imaginary babes.
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Mar 5, 2011 01:56
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:No, I don't care if the other someone else is also a woman. Actually, I hope it is. They still have to gently caress. Jello wrestling is the true path to honor.
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Mar 5, 2011 02:03
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Arquinsiel posted:Bear in mind that Clan Widowmaker is led by Natasha Kerensky. This is the woman that it took Joanna to kill. Joanna. If she shows up just shoot yourselves in the head, it'll be faster and less painful. (Comedy Joanna Widowmaker as Clan Widowmaker saKhan option  )
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Mar 5, 2011 04:49
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Two of those cancel out; this foreshadowing makes me feel less threatened instead of more. Do not taunt the Cardassian. It never ends well for anyone. 
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Mar 5, 2011 05:15
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Trast posted:Do not taunt the Cardassian. It never ends well for anyone. Now I see PTN sitting in a dark cage with a sign on it that says "Please do not taunt the Cardassian", lit only by the light from his computer screen, an evil grin on his face, rolling his dice and cackling. Good god I need sleep.
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Mar 5, 2011 06:24
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Zaodai posted:If you murdered their khan with dishonorable trickery, the remaining clan units would go apeshit, and they'd probably say "gently caress our force bid, DEPLOY EVERYTHING". Didn't Vandervahn Chistu kill Ulric Kerensky by luring him into an ambush? And nobody retaliated against the Falcons after the Refusal War even though they were crippled and virtually sitting ducks.
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Mar 5, 2011 07:34
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an oddly awful oud posted:Didn't Vandervahn Chistu kill Ulric Kerensky by luring him into an ambush? And nobody retaliated against the Falcons after the Refusal War even though they were crippled and virtually sitting ducks. Aside from Vlad killing their entire leadership pool, you mean?
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Mar 5, 2011 07:36
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On top of that, this would be against Inner Sphere units. I don't think they'd have any real compunction to not just wipe you out. We're not talking about them trying to wipe out another clan. But if they've bid a binary and you butcher their khan through dishonesty, there's no real reason for them to leave the rest of the Galaxy sitting in their dropships. Even the most retarded goon luck on the dice rolls isn't going to win against 100+ clanners at once. Especially since it'd presumably be the rest of their Alpha Galaxy if their Khan was in battle to start with. I'd love to see that from a gameplay standpoint. The goon hivemind having their masterstroke turn into "Rocks fall, everyone dies."
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Mar 5, 2011 08:01
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