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Lone Rogue posted:There was nothing wrong with the nWo getting a second wind, either. It just had to take time. Sting should have decisively beaten several nWo guys like Hogan, Hall and Giant. And then you feud him with Nash or Macho and have them win. Say Macho wins it and tries to kick Hogan out of the nWo. This sparks the nWo implosion and Sting or someone else gets back the title because nWo is too embroiled in a feud against themselves. Culiminate in a big ten man tag match at Starrcade '98 which ends up the true end of the nWo. Everyone goes their separate ways after that. If a new stable builds, so be it. 1998 should've also been the year that they started building up the younger wrestlers to the main event status. They had crazy momentum that year that they could've pushed anyone to the top.
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If HulkaMatt gives the OK I'll post a thread with the whole first edition of the comic book. (I guess from BSS that the odd panel is fine but the whole comic might not be, it's not like Marvel went bankrupt with WCW.) It's actually from the 1992 WCW annual which was given to me instead of the WWF equivalent. I was a sad child that Christmas! There's some hilarious drinking games you could make from it. Like a shot every time someone does a flying kick (half the wrestlers are eliminated with flying kicks!). A drink for every panel with a wrestler who doesn't look like his real life counterpart. A drink for every panel with a wrestler saying something flat-out weird. The booking is also terrible, in true WCW fashion. I don't remember Marc Mero's Jonny B. Badd being basically into gay sadomasochism either:
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ultimateforce posted:Why are the ropes so short? They're not - the Big Boys of WCW are just that big.
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ultimateforce posted:Why are the ropes so short? To better facilitate the extremely common elimination method of the flying kick    
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ZoDiAC_ posted: Also, the thought of Ron doing a flying kick like that is hilarious to me.
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Maybe you had something different in mind, Zodiac, but Gavok already did a big series on the WCW comics on his website- http://www.4thletter.net/2007/04/secret-war-games-the-marvel-wcw-comic-part-1/ http://www.4thletter.net/2007/04/secret-war-games-the-marvel-wcw-comic-part-2/ http://www.4thletter.net/2007/04/secret-war-games-the-marvel-wcw-comic-part-3/
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A comic featuring the "Z-Man" Tom Zenk? Major buys, folks.
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Perry, you're one of the good ones. Right now I'm starting work on the Summerslam Countdown articles for August. After that, though, I was thinking about doing a Starrcade Countdown for November (the 10 year anniversary of WCW's final death). Since I was late on following WCW and my knowledge on it is relatively lacking, I was wondering if there's anyone out there who'd be interested in co-writing it. Multiple contributors or whatever, it's still good. I ask now because it would involve watching all 18 shows and that can take some time.
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Starrcade Countdown: Wow, Most of These Really Suck!
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Have fun watching Starrcade 94 also here is a quick review of most of them 
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MassRayPer posted:Starrcade Countdown: Wow, Most of These Really Suck! Or don't make sense! Like Starrcade: Future Shock. Where The Great Muta looses *every* match.  gently caress, he was incredibly crisp back then.
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LordPants posted:Or don't make sense!
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Endorph posted:Wait, what the hell? The Great Muta was both in every match, and LOST every match? It was a tournament. Muta was in 3 matches and lost all of them to Sting, Flair, and Luger.
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Starrcade 1989 had two round robins - a tag and a singles. Muta was in the singles, and jobbed to Luger, Sting, and Flair.
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Rodney the Piper posted:Starrcade 1989 had two round robins - a tag and a singles. Muta was in the singles, and jobbed to Luger, Sting, and Flair. What the hell? Did they just not feel like paying any other people to come any wrestle that night or something?
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Faxman posted:What the hell? Did they just not feel like paying any other people to come any wrestle that night or something? There was some phoney reason I don't know why. Maybe filling a vacant title or something? I am not sure though, Muta may have won a Battlebowl two years later which kind of makes up for it. Now BattleBowl, that was retarded also. Well, retarded in so far as this: Royal Rumble is a battle royal that is staggered so it doesn't get too messy and it is simple: get them over the top rope and they are gone. BattleBowl has complicated rules (get them in the second ring or something?) and tonnes of people in the ring which make it a clusterfuck. It really sums up the difference between WWF and WCW. And didn't Chono defend a title against Muta on one of the shows? Only they were told to sandbag meaning they put on a dull ten minute match full of restholds? Also, Muta may have JUST wrestled a match before this too. algebra testes fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 11, 2011 |
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I'd be down to help with that Gav.
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LordPants posted:There was some phoney reason I don't know why. Maybe filling a vacant title or something? I am not sure though, Muta may have won a Battlebowl two years later which kind of makes up for it. I loving LOVE Battlebowl. Probably more than Royal Rumble. The rules are not complicated at all and it perfectly sets up a face vs. heel confrontation. I'll break it down for you: 1. Two rings. 20 guys in first ring. 2. Guys try to throw opponents out of the ring or into the second ring. Once one man remains, he gets to rest. 3. 19 other guys fight it out in the second ring, trying to throw each other out via battle royale rules until one remains. 4. When one remains in the second ring, he walks over to the first ring to face the fresh guy in a final over the top elimination bout. Winner wins BattleBowl. Also, what was a shock about Starrcade where Muta lost three times was up to that event, Muta never lost a match in WCW. It was ridiculous booking and I think what happened was they booked the guys before they booked the storyline and once they did, they were forced to have *someone* lose and made it Muta. The reactions to Muta losing were huge.
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elf help book posted:gently caress any match with 2 rings. I love two ring matches and three ring matches. I'll take World War 3 over an Elimination Chamber any day of the week.
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elf help book posted:gently caress any match with 2 rings.  Also, all this talk of Battlebowl doesn't mention the Lethal Lottery. That's what needs to come back. Well...only if they give it some kind of random element.
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bobkatt013 posted:They should bring back the War Games, but I am sure WWE would gently caress it up. They would stack the three rings on top of each other and wonder why every wrestler got crippled when getting eliminated.
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Lone Rogue posted:They would stack the three rings on top of each other and wonder why every wrestler got crippled when getting eliminated. So they would bring back Sid to do the crippling and get crippled?
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Lone Rogue posted:I love two ring matches and three ring matches. I'll take World War 3 over an Elimination Chamber any day of the week. The problem with WW3 poo poo is the same problem with the Royal Rumble. There's only a few guys who you know have a chance at winning, the rest are all jobbers.
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The 1996 lethal lottery defied all possibility of randomness by being the most obviously fixed thing ever. Animal and Booker T vs Road Warrior Hawk and Lex Luger The Public Enemy vs Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan (feuding) Rick Steiner and The Booty Man vs Sgt. Craig Pittman and Scott Steiner VK Wallstreet and Jim Duggan (feuding) vs The Blue Bloods Dick Slater and Earl Robert Eaton vs Disco Inferno and Alex Wright Diamond Dallas Page and The Barbarian vs Meng and Hugh Morrus Fire and Ice vs Big Bubba Rogers and Stevie Ray Ric Flair and Randy Savage (feuding) vs Arn Anderson and Eddie Guerrero So 3 usual tag teams put on the same side, 4 tag team partners facing off on opposing teams and at least 3 wacky tag team partners that hate each other. Up to August 1999 on Nitro it's going by a lot quicker since half the show isn't worth it and can be skimmed. Goldberg just sort of vanishes in the Spring (injured?) so they manage to blow any momentum they had with him as the crowd is so devoid of faces they have to cheer Hulk Hogan. Master P's soldiers are the most unlikable faces ever. Scott Steiner stops doing promos and vanishes a bit but sadly his brother seems to take his spot. Bobby Heenan IS drunk doing commentary in August with Hudson. Harlem Heat reunite making all of Booker's progression in the last 2 years for nothing. I do like the DDP/Bigelow/Kanyon triad though. A 10 minute TV match with Vampiro and ICP (wrestling) vs Prince Iaukea/Norman Smi-lay/Lash Laroux. Special mention to Randy "Misogynist Man" Savage reinventing himself to be extreme and hip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftL9WSz6pQ What up mach? Giedroyc fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 11, 2011 |
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Wojtek posted:Whoa there let's not say things we can't take back. Elimination Chamber matches are loving awesome. About a month ago, my friend had a set of all BattleBowl's and World War 3 matches. We watched them all. Then we watched the Elimination Chamber DVD. I think we only watched half of it due to paying more attention to our laptops and doing things. BattleBowl and WW3 we only did stuff in between matches. It was much more fun and exciting than a few pods, a bunch of wasted design and metal floor to fall on. Wojtek posted:The problem with WW3 poo poo is the same problem with the Royal Rumble. There's only a few guys who you know have a chance at winning, the rest are all jobbers. I don't know why people are bothered by this. I can't think of a Royal Rumble where I couldn't name four guys and one of them didn't win the match. Hell, Scott Hall winning World War 3 was a bigger shock to me than Alberto Del Rio winning the Rumble. Hell, how many Elimination Chambers were hard to predict? I guess it comes down to what you love most about pro wrestling. I find a lot of people who prefer the attitude era love surprises and unpredictability. Predictability in pro wrestling has never been an issue for me. I don't think either way is wrong, it's just preference.
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Lone Rogue posted:Hell, how many Elimination Chambers were hard to predict?  quote:I guess it comes down to what you love most about pro wrestling. I find a lot of people who prefer the attitude era love surprises and unpredictability. Predictability in pro wrestling has never been an issue for me. I don't think either way is wrong, it's just preference.
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Wojtek posted:I guess I'd rather see a better Royal Rumble with fewer guys but all who have a chance to win than 30-90(?) guys who I know won't have a loving chance at doing anything. A perfect Royal Rumble would be one where eight to 10 guys have a good shot of winning the Rumble. They've been built up either as credible guys to main event Mania or they have ongoing storylines with the current champions. Next you have another eight to 10 guys who have current storylines going on. Guys who wouldn't be expected to win but the Rumble is going to continue their personal storylines and feuds. That way you're interested in why they are there. The final 10 to 20 are extra bodies for people to throw out and are not high enough in the card to be taken seriously. The best possible Rumble would be if a few of these guys have history with the top 10 guys so it's actually exciting to see them go after a top guy. People can at least think, "Oh poo poo, he's beaten that guy before. Maybe he'll take him out!" There are a few rumbles that have been close to this (Flair's Rumble and 2001) but otherwise, a lot miss the mark.
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Battlebowl sucked a huge cock. The matches were bad. They hurt buyrates. The booking was blatant and terrible. What an awful, awful concept.
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Gavok posted:Perry, you're one of the good ones. I'd be happy to help out with a couple. I know quite a bit about early WCW/NWA.
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Battlebowl would make for a fun 3-hour Raw, but I'd never want to pay for that poo poo.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Battlebowl would make for a fun 3-hour Raw, but I'd never want to pay for that poo poo.
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:WWE would have a War Games, and the faces would win the coin toss. TNA would have a War Games and the coin toss would actually be a reverse coin toss where you called it on the ground after it landed but you had to call what you thought it wasn't.
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Moose Bigelow posted:TNA would have a War Games and the coin toss would actually be a reverse coin toss where you called it on the ground after it landed but you had to call what you thought it wasn't. ROH would have a War Games and it would be an enjoyable and well booked wrestling match, but 15 people would see it.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Battlebowl would make for a fun 3-hour Raw, but I'd never want to pay for that poo poo. Use it for a draft as well. Have the matches give a lottery spot to the person and a draft pick for Raw or SD and then have a battle royal where the winner gets a title shot at the next PPV.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Battlebowl would make for a fun 3-hour Raw, but I'd never want to pay for that poo poo. With Lethal Lottery? John Cena & Zack Ryder vs. Kane & R-Truth Randy Orton & Jack Swagger vs. Big Show & Jay Uso The Miz & Christian vs. David Otunga & Tyson Kidd CM Punk & Wade Barrett vs. Yoshi Tatsu & Justin Gabriel John Morrison & Dolph Ziggler vs. Chavo Guerrero & JTG Daniel Bryan & Chris Masters vs. Rey Mysterio & Cody Rhodes Edge & Jimmy Uso vs. Kofi Kingston & Sheamus Alberto Del Rio & Evan Bourne vs. Drew McIntyre & Heath Slater WINNERS GOTO BATTLEBOWL BABY 
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