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Mr Plow
Dec 31, 2004

quadratic posted:

BBC 1718: Talking about the first shot by a French aircraft on a Libyan military vehicle, French defence ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire told reporters: "A first target was engaged and destroyed." An armed forces spokesman told the same briefing the operation to halt Colonel Gaddafi's advance on rebel forces involved around 20 planes and an area 100 km by 150 km (60 by 100 miles) around the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi. France's Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will leave France for Libya on Sunday, the spokesman added. A central command centre for the operation was still being set up.

What more can I say but, 'At last'.

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New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

FreeRepublic is... on the job!

Barack Obama is a Muslim, says Libya's Qadhafi..lol (he liked his Muslim brother back in 2008)


On the far right, "hell yeah, killin' brown people" has slightly outweighed "hey, why are we spending blood and treasure helping sand-monkeys?". Plus Obama's lack of drive on the issue gives them an awesome chance to call him a dove, so they're getting posts like this:

Libya: Obama's No-Guts Zone
Obama: We’re Going To War With Libya…Well, Kinda Sorta

I imagine most of Free Republic doing an anguished pee-pee dance trying to figure out whether to back this for the sake of Hawkism, killing Reagan-era villain Mad Dog Qaddaffi, and making Obama look like a pansy, or whether to keep out of it in the name of fiscal conservatism, not helping a bunch of Islamacist Ay-rabs, and not being part of "US OUT OF UN!!!". The cognitive dissonance is causing a thermal uptick across Alabama.

I wonder what Freepers think of the prominent French role. I know they can't be fond of anyone stealing the U.S.'s thunder in a conflict.

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Thomase posted:

Can we pick one way of spelling gaddafi's name and stick to it?

It's an Arabic name and there isn't really any official romanticized interpretation of it. Qadafi, Khadafi, Gadaffi, the list goes on. At least in this context everyone knows what they all refer to. It's generally Gaddafi these days.

Flyball
Apr 17, 2003

Gaddafi's been using every tool at his disposal to win this thing, and now he's employing some in the US.

Vir
Dec 14, 2007

Does it tickle when your Body Thetans flap their wings, eh Beatrice?
The only good point in the Obama=Muslim meme was that some idiot Muslims would consider Obama an apostate Muslim, and thus try to kill him. But those people would try to kill the US president anyway, so who cares? How some people turned that into thinking that Obama was actually a practicing Muslim ---- :psyduck:

Thomase posted:

Can we pick one way of spelling gaddafi's name and stick to it?
No. May his spellings be many. May his tombstone be a Babylonian confusion.

beer_war posted:

Ahahaha holy poo poo
Hugo Chavez. Man of the people. President for life.

New Division posted:

I wonder what Freepers think of the prominent French role.
Wouldn't they like Sarkozy? He's from the conservative side, right?

Vir fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 19, 2011

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Latest from Guardian:

quote:

Misrata residents have said that government snipers are shooting people from rooftops and the hospital can not operate on the wounded because it has no anaesthetic.

Misrata, about 200km east of Tripoli, is the last big rebel stronghold in the west of the country and people living there say Gaddafi forces are still trying to retake it despite a ceasefire.

People said there was some shelling in the city this morning and that the city was facing a humanitarian crisis because water supplies were cut for a third day.

A Misrata resident called Saadoun told Reuters:

"I am telling you, we are scared and we are alone. We have two people dead this morning, not because of the shelling but because there are snipers on some houses and they are shooting people, they are shooting whoever they see... We are all scared here, the people of Misrata are scared. We feel a humanitarian crisis is coming."

quote:

The Guardian has been sent videos of fighting in Misrata, purportedly showing the bombing of civilian targets by pro-Gaddafi forces on Friday.

This video appears to show armed rebels, some in trucks fitted with machine guns, shouting as plumes of smoke appear on the horizon following what sounds like artillery fire. Please note we cannot independently verify this footage.

quote:

French Mirage and Rafale fighters are flying over Benghazi and could strike at Gaddafi's tanks, AP quotes an official from Sarkozy's government as saying.

Italian fighter planes have begun a surveillance mission over Libya, Al Arabiya television channel reports.

PA reports that two US F-15 Strike Eagle ground attack jets have taken off from US Air Force base at Lakenheath, near Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, in England.
US planes took off from the same base in 1986 to bomb Libya.

quote:

Reuters has more on the build-up of Western forces that could be involved in military action to enforce the UN resolution.

The news agency reports that six Danish F-16 fighter jets at the US air base in Sicily, and American F-18s and Canadian CF-18 Hornets are already in the region.

Danish air force spokesman Lars Skjoldan said the six their F-16s that arrived at the US air base at Sigonella, Sicily on Saturday would be ready for operation in Libya by Sunday.

Canada has committed six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce the no-fly zone, and early Saturday Canadian aircraft landed at the Prestwick Airport in Glasgow, Scotland to refuel and left, an airport spokesman said.

Andrew MacDougall, a spokesman for Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, said it would take two days to prepare for any mission.

Italy has offered the use of seven military bases to help enforce the no-fly zone over Libya

Witnesses reported Saturday that five American F-18s, two C-17s and a C-130 cargo plane landed Saturday at the US air base at Aviano in northern Italy, which is home to the 31st Fighter Wing.

quote:

The French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is being moved to international waters off the coast of Libya, according to Le Monde. It will leave the French port of Toulon on Sunday and will be in place within 48 hours.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Just thinking out loud here.
Is this a situation where cutting off the head of the snake would kill it? Or would everything continue on as it is with Gadaffy dead? I am wondering if a lot of bloodshed could be avoided if we cut to the chase.

Another part of me wonders how this is being reported to North Koreans.

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:

New Division posted:

I wonder what Freepers think of the prominent French role.

More proof Obama is trying to destroy America from the inside.

Al Jazeera just reported on its live blog Spain has dedicated fights to the UN mandate and France is sending its Charles de Gaul carrier to match up with our Enterprise. If wikipedia is to be trusted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_no-fly_zone#Enforcement
Fighters from at least:
-France
-Britain
-United States
-Belgium
-Greece
-Qatar
-United Arab Emirates
-Denmark
-Italy
-Norway
-Possibly Sweden, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Netherlands
might wind up taking part soon enough.

Look alive people, not only is Libya in the middle of civil war by this point, but this is probably the only time in the next two decades you'll see the UN actually use teeth with one of its mandates.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

redscare posted:

I like how they make it sound like France has more than one carrier.

Just one fixed wing carrier, but with a bit of stretch in definitions you may count the Mistral class amphibious assault ships, one of which has already been operating in Libyan waters to evacuate civilians. They can carry up to 35 helicopters.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

Vir posted:

Wouldn't they like Sarkozy? He's from the conservative side, right?

The American far-right despises the French. And while Sarkozy may be a conservative by French political standards he's to the left of most American Democrats.

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

Shageletic posted:




Is that... rust?

Double Bill
Jan 29, 2006

Cartouche posted:

Is that... rust?

Don't get picky now.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

redscare posted:

I like how they make it sound like France has more than one carrier.

At least they'll finally get some use out of the DeGaulle

:france:: "Ah-haw-haw, we knew we were going to use this one day."

(In my mind, all French men sound like Maurice Chevalier to me :smith:)

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Cartouche posted:

Another part of me wonders how this is being reported to North Koreans.

South Korea was 'reporting' it by flying over and dropping leaflets. Not sure whether that's still ongoing.

As for North Korea's own government letting its citizens get the slightest whiff of this news... not happening.

Space Monster
Mar 13, 2009

New Division posted:

The American far-right despises the French. And while Sarkozy may be a conservative by French political standards he's to the left of most American Democrats.



<---American conservative who likes Sarkozy. Most of my conservative friends do as well. I've personally come to like him and Cameron quite a bit more since they've been chomping at the bit to do something in Libya while our own government has been very slow off the mark.

(admittedly I'm not "far right")

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

quote:

French aircraft have destroyed four Libyan tanks in air strikes to the south-west of Benghazi, Al-Jazeera television has reported.
Sweet.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender
^ beaten like those tanks

BBC posted:

1748: French aircraft have destroyed four Libyan tanks in air strikes to the south-west of Benghazi, Al-Jazeera television has reported

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Oh hey, there's a war on.

Ireland Sucks
May 16, 2004

I hope some footage of this emerges

GIVE ME WAR PORN

Jack Napier
Aug 5, 2010

by Ozma
In Iranian tech news, Iran puts skill points into Deep Packet Inspection

quote:

LONDON, March 18 (UPI) -- Iran appears to have developed a system for identifying computer users on a network designed to block surveillance, a member of the Tor Project says.

Tor software, distributed free, hides computer IP addresses and encrypts e-mail and other communication on the Internet. The software was originally developed at a U.S. military lab and is now open source.

Andrew Lewman, Tor's executive director, said Iran apparently has obtained Deep Packet Inspection, equipment that allows the reading of Internet traffic as it is transmitted. He said Tor has known for years it was vulnerable but did not take steps to thwart that type of technology in advance.

"We're trying to have an arms race really slowly," he said.

Lewman said the number of Tor users in Iran more than doubled to 2,800 after the 2009 presidential election. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election to a second term was widely perceived as fraudulent and it set off a wave of protest in Tehran and some other cities.

Iran now appears to have advanced a step beyond China in its ability to track or block dissidents online, Lewman said.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
It never fails
Wow, here I woke up two days ago and thought nothing would be done. No doubt it's over for 'Dhaffy very soon, but let's hope this can be resolved with minimal bloodshed.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
poo poo, is this the first time Eurofighters have actually gone operational?

Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.

Slave posted:

I hope some footage of this emerges

GIVE ME WAR PORN
In a few years there will be Call Of Duty 10: Revolution. The middle level will involve the Libyan military entering Benghazi, you get shot in the leg and you're alone. As the tanks and trucks come up on you they explode in a huge fireball as jets streak past 100 feet above the ground. The last level will involve a fight with Gadaffi in his mech suit on his armored blimp.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

goatface posted:

poo poo, is this the first time Eurofighters have actually gone operational?

France uses its own fighter designs, but once the UK gets involved we should see the Eurofighter.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

New Division posted:

I wonder what Freepers think of the prominent French role. I know they can't be fond of anyone stealing the U.S.'s thunder in a conflict.

I think Freepers nowadays will always err of the side of hating the president.

Also Freepers don't really "think", so don't bother wondering.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Yaos posted:

In a few years there will be Call Of Duty 10: Revolution. The middle level will involve the Libyan military entering Benghazi, you get shot in the leg and you're alone. As the tanks and trucks come up on you they explode in a huge fireball as jets streak past 100 feet above the ground. The last level will involve a fight with Gadaffi in his mech suit on his armored blimp.

Won't sell because no one would want to voluntarily pay to experience the first part, where you're facing AA guns unarmed.

Although, an office chair gunride level would be sweet.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

goatface posted:

poo poo, is this the first time Eurofighters have actually gone operational?
Rafales. France officially withdrew from the Eurofighter project in 1984 after it became obvious the Eurofighter wouldn't be carrier-capable. The British are going to buy F-35 to equip their future new carrier.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
France has been trying to market the Dassault Rafale for export, so this isn't just a war for France... it's a sales demonstration!:haw:

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Yeah, but the News are talking about UK Eurofighters rebasing to med fields.

shotgunbadger
Nov 18, 2008

WEEK 4 - RETIRED

Cartouche posted:

Just thinking out loud here.
Is this a situation where cutting off the head of the snake would kill it? Or would everything continue on as it is with Gadaffy dead? I am wondering if a lot of bloodshed could be avoided if we cut to the chase.

Another part of me wonders how this is being reported to North Koreans.

You think that us assassinating a sovereign leader would help things in an already hostile environment? I mean yea I guess it'd do some major damage to this one specific problem but 'the snake' is more complex then 'bad man do bad things', and yea any way we 'cut the head off' would look very, very, bad to not only many Libyans, but to the region and the world itself.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
You'd also have to find out where he is. The US never managed to kill Saddam with an airstrike despite numerous attempts

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender

New Division posted:

France has been trying to market the Dassault Rafale for export, so this isn't just a war for France... it's a sales demonstration!:haw:

I bet the US is pretty pissed that they don't have working F-35s yet while France and EADS are having such nice sales shows. Guess who'll be offering discounts on F15 and F16 planes soon?

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
And as the UN has only sanctioned intervention in defence of civilians, you'd have to be drat confident nobody is going to call "war crimes".

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

goatface posted:

Yeah, but the News are talking about UK Eurofighters rebasing to med fields.

Italy, Spain and Saudi Arabia, as mentioned above, also have Eurofighters.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 19, 2011

Jack Napier
Aug 5, 2010

by Ozma

IM_DA_DECIDER posted:

I bet the US is pretty pissed that they don't have working F-35s yet while France and EADS are having such nice sales shows. Guess who'll be offering discounts on F15 and F16 planes soon?

I get the impression the F-35 will be like those glitchy devices that are neat but most of the learning will be on how NOT to screw it up. How reliable are Eurofighters?

edit: Eurofighters look to be pretty reliable

Imapanda
Sep 12, 2008

Majoris Felidae Peditum
So wait, If American air fighters begin fighting, Is there a possibility of some dogfights happening? :stare:

Slantedfloors
Apr 29, 2008

Wait, What?

Imapanda posted:

So wait, If American air fighters begin fighting, Is there a possibility of some dogfights happening?

If you define dogfights as "ancient Libyan jets being blown out of the sky with Air-to-Air missiles before they know there are other planes in the area", then yes.

Imapanda
Sep 12, 2008

Majoris Felidae Peditum

Yaos posted:

In a few years there will be Call Of Duty 10: Revolution. The middle level will involve the Libyan military entering Benghazi, you get shot in the leg and you're alone. As the tanks and trucks come up on you they explode in a huge fireball as jets streak past 100 feet above the ground. The last level will involve a fight with Gadaffi in his mech suit on his armored blimp.

All in slow motion whilst a subtle guitar riff plays after the flash dissipates.

"TARGET NEUTRALIZED!"

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Slantedfloors posted:

If you define dogfights as "ancient Libyan jets being blown out of the sky with Air-to-Air missiles before they know there are other planes in the area", then yes.

Quite so. And, uh, why would American fighters getting involved make dogfights more likely? Unless you think Obama really is a secret Muslim who'll fight on Ghaddafi's side... :tinfoil:

Edit: my point is French planes are in the air already. If there are going to be dogfights then there are going to be dogfights regardless if other nations' planes join them or not.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 19, 2011

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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Libya has planes, not current generation planes, largely non-operational planes, but planes none-the-less.

In theory there could be dogfights. In practice, any Libyan pilot going up against one of the intervening air forces has a death wish.

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