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Dancing Peasant posted:I've seen how most guys in their weight class can make weight at 170, 185, 205, etc. before the fight. Lately though, they come in at 171, 186, 206, etc. Why is the extra pound ignored here and do the fighters still get docked pay for this? For non title fights you can come in up to a pound over with out any repercussions from the ufc/athletic commission
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Dancing Peasant posted:I've seen how most guys in their weight class can make weight at 170, 185, 205, etc. before the fight. Lately though, they come in at 171, 186, 206, etc. Why is the extra pound ignored here and do the fighters still get docked pay for this? There's a 1 pound overage for non-title fights. It's because the weight classes don't overlap. For instance, Lightweight is 146-155, but Welterweight is 156-170. Any weight between 155-156 is just counted as Lightweight by the athletic commission since it's closer 155.
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Mar 28, 2011 04:15
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Well drat everyone already covered everything else before I hit reply, but to further add: When fighters miss weight by more than a pound you are given two hours to drop the excess weight and step on the scales again. If you are still over the weight limit you are fined 20% of your purse and it either goes to the opponent or to the athletic commission. So just because a fighter misses weight the first time it does not mean they are automatically fined.
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Mar 28, 2011 04:18
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Xguard86 posted:It's not really that different from normal bjj they just have some peculiar techniques that you never actually see anyone do outside training DVDs. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but Im also pretty sure that 10th planet JJ is STRICTLY no gi. They never train in gis ever.
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Mar 28, 2011 04:44
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Bubba Smith posted:Well drat everyone already covered everything else before I hit reply, but to further add: When fighters miss weight by more than a pound you are given two hours to drop the excess weight and step on the scales again. If you are still over the weight limit you are fined 20% of your purse and it either goes to the opponent or to the athletic commission. The "free pound" is also because of possible discrepancy in the accuracy of the scales. In Rumble Johnson's case as well, when he failed to make weight by like 6 pounds his bonus was held by the UFC. Dana White seems to have a pretty strict policy on making weight and he's often been heard telling fighters to move up if they can't make the weight.
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Mar 28, 2011 04:57
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fawker posted:Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but Im also pretty sure that 10th planet JJ is STRICTLY no gi. They never train in gis ever. There were a couple of 10th planet guys signed up for this weekend's Pan Jiu Jitsu tournament, and it's gi only. But I was under the impression that 10th planet schools were strictly no gi.
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Mar 28, 2011 05:06
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Submissions 101 videos on youtube are based out of 10th planet, right? They're almost always in gis and they frequently demonstrate gi only moves. Eddie Bravo's class is what's no-gi at 10th planet. Just what i've deduced.
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Mar 28, 2011 05:46
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John Blaster posted:Submissions 101 videos on youtube are based out of 10th planet, right? They're almost always in gis and they frequently demonstrate gi only moves. Eddie Bravo's class is what's no-gi at 10th planet. I think the sub101 dude just paid bravo a load of cash for the endorsment and doesnt actually have that much to do with tenth planet.
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Mar 28, 2011 08:07
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10th planet Bjj is all about no-gi, but I have heard tell that Bravo does gi or is willing to do gi with his upper level guys. I will rephrase: 10th planet Bjj is nothing particularly strange outside of their rubber guard stuff. Sub101 is just above trash as far as quality. They're not "wrong" but most of what they show is full of errors or missing pieces.
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Mar 28, 2011 17:02
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I only posted the submissions101 video as a joke response to someone asking what the worst thing that could happen to Rashad was. Sorry 
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Mar 28, 2011 17:05
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BlindSite posted:Dana White seems to have a pretty strict policy on making weight and he's often been heard telling fighters to move up if they can't make the weight. For example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqA1b9XcLeU&t=618s
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Mar 29, 2011 10:31
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Biodome posted:For example, Jesus, that's a huge loving cut to try to make on TUF>
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Mar 29, 2011 12:44
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Watching TUF - Pulver/Penn. Really loving it. I watched the original when it was on TV so I don't know why i'm so surprised that it's excellent but this raises two questions: 1) Is there this much crying in all the seasons? 2) What are the best seasons (I don't have a preference for weight classes)
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Mar 29, 2011 13:27
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LordPants posted:Watching TUF - Pulver/Penn. Really loving it. I watched the original when it was on TV so I don't know why i'm so surprised that it's excellent but this raises two questions: Also, season 6. Boring fighters, fantastic coaches.
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Mar 29, 2011 13:53
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Why are guillotines and rear naked chokes far and away the most common subs; is it because you can catch people in guillotines and then work for it a bit, and with rear naked chokes you can take back control and spend the round wearing the guy down?
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Mar 29, 2011 16:50
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choking someone is one of the most effective ways to win a fight. Those two chokes are the easiest and most effective ways to choke people. It's not quite that simple, but it's basically that.
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Mar 29, 2011 17:00
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Also you don't have to give up position.
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Mar 29, 2011 17:08
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Halloween Jack posted:Why are guillotines and rear naked chokes far and away the most common subs; is it because you can catch people in guillotines and then work for it a bit, and with rear naked chokes you can take back control and spend the round wearing the guy down? armbars can lead to loss of position very easily, as can mounted triangles (except it tends to be that dudes who go for mounted triangles are excellent so they get finished), shoulder locks take a lot strength, and footlocks/toeholds can take a lot of strength and can be very difficult to finish. a lot of other leglocks give up position as well. chokes such as the d'arce, anaconda and arm triangle can be done without sacrificing too much, but if you don't have it completely correct its very easy to gas your arms out (same as a guillotine). RNC is flat out the best and highest percentage move from back control, triangle is the best from guard, and guillotine is the best from standing/scramble. head and arm chokes are becoming more common from scrambles i think.
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Mar 29, 2011 17:38
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north-south choke should be more common, but until a greater number of Metaphorical gorillas enroll in a jiu-jitsu class it will probably remain Monson-specific.
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Mar 29, 2011 18:09
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Gomi Pile posted:RNC is flat out the best and highest percentage move from back control, What else is there, really?
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Mar 29, 2011 23:20
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Elmo Oxygen posted:What else is there, really? I remember someone tapping to a body triangle when the submitter was sitting on the guy's lower back.
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Mar 29, 2011 23:22
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Elmo Oxygen posted:What else is there, really? dragon sleeper (which cort says doesn't work but he's wrong), twister, armbar, full nelson, stefan struve arm triangle, that retard hell choke or whatever that someone posted a video of
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Mar 29, 2011 23:26
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there's a video of garcia and askren grappling and i'm pretty sure garcia taps him with a rings of saturn and a secret move. it should be noted that omoplata is the lowest percentage move, in that it is 0 percent effective
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Mar 29, 2011 23:27
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Elmo Oxygen posted:What else is there, really? Steve Winwood posted:I remember someone tapping to a body triangle when the submitter was sitting on the guy's lower back.
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Mar 29, 2011 23:50
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Palhares submitted Ivan Salaverry with an armbar from back control.
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Mar 29, 2011 23:58
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henkman posted:Palhares submitted Ivan Salaverry with an armbar from back control. And Mayhem (in training) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpSIstTGLKk
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Gomi Pile posted:it should be noted that omoplata is the lowest percentage move, in that it is 0 percent effective
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Mar 30, 2011 00:07
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Halloween Jack posted:Sometimes guys transition to an armbar when they're too high on the back; I think Condit pulled it off once. Salaverry/Fryklund
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Mar 30, 2011 00:40
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I've heard a few disparaging comments about Kendall Grove, I was wondering what it is people dislike about him. I've barely seen him fight and know nothing of him outside the ring except that he trains/trained with Forrest.
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Mar 30, 2011 03:51
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Snowman_McK posted:I've heard a few disparaging comments about Kendall Grove, I was wondering what it is people dislike about him. I've barely seen him fight and know nothing of him outside the ring except that he trains/trained with Forrest. He has the brains of a cocker spaniel and is an extremely typical Hawaiian. In the ring he is typically pretty watchable though, win or lose.
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Mar 30, 2011 03:56
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fatherdog posted:He has the brains of a cocker spaniel and is an extremely typical Hawaiian. In the ring he is typically pretty watchable though, win or lose. Was he the one who put on his application to the UFC (there's probably a better word for it than that) "Strong Bloodline" as one of his strengths?
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Mar 30, 2011 03:58
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one really bad thing about him is that hes easy to KO also when he does get KO'd it tends to be absolutely hilarious http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10y3r_rotr-joe-riggs-vs-kendal-grove_sport
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Kendal isn't necessarily disliked he's just easy to poke fun at, he's got decent subs and his lankyness makes for some fun match ups, couple that with his incredibad chin and you're guaranteed a decent watch. I don't think anyone hates him per se.
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I love Grove because he was beating rear end in one of his fights, the round ended and I turned to my friends and said, "he is going to lose in the next round". They asked "what, why? that guy is kicking rear end" and I replied, "because he is Kendall Grove and Kendall Grove is an idiot". He got TKOed in the next round and now my word on MMA is law. Thanks Spyda.
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Mar 30, 2011 15:40
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What kind of wacky round system were they using in the early PRIDEs? I was looking at Pride 2 on wikipedia and came across this. * Openweight bout: Brazil Royler Gracie vs. Japan Yuhi Sano Gracie defeated Sano by submission (armbar) at 33:14 of round 1. And this. * Middleweight bout: Brazil Renzo Gracie vs. Japan Sanae Kikuta Gracie defeated Kikuta by submission (guillotine choke) at 0:43 of round 6.
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Mar 30, 2011 18:13
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The Gracies pretty much got to fight under whatever rules they wanted at the early PRIDE events
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Mar 30, 2011 18:32
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Fentry posted:The Gracies pretty much got to fight under whatever rules they wanted at the early MMA events Because they literally ran that poo poo.
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Mar 30, 2011 22:30
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And if they ever lost a fight it was clearly because of the rules, and another fight with even more bizarre rules was required.
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Mar 31, 2011 00:34
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Either the rules or it was OK because they used BJJ.
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Yeah. The Gracie's liked no time limit/infinite round fights. Sometimes they'd get rid of the refs too, so you could only lose by tapout or by having your corner throw in the towel. I'm pretty sure Royce has a couple of draw's on his record from cases where he negotiated the fight to have no judges.
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