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I have a Model M that I've been trying to use at work and when I press ctrl+alt at the same time the system speaker beeps. Each works individually, and with another key (i.e. ctrl+A and alt+D) but they won't work together. This goes for both sets of ctrl and alt. I have two more Model Ms at home which work fine. Can damage cause this problem? It strikes me as very unlikely that the keyboard was made like that and almost as unlikely that it got damaged, given how robust they are.
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glompix posted:Let's talk about palmrests too. What kind of palmrests are you goons using? No palmrest. You shouldn't be touching it when you type and you shouldn't be resting your hands there when you aren't typing.
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Managed to talk a friend into ordering a Filco Majestouch with me so we can spilt the postage. 
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shrughes posted:No palmrest. You shouldn't be touching it when you type and you shouldn't be resting your hands there when you aren't typing. I don't use a palmrest either, but your statement doesn't cover long gaming or editing sessions. It seems like they would be beneficial in those cases. How often are you just sitting there typing 80+ wpm?
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shrughes posted:No palmrest. You shouldn't be touching it when you type and you shouldn't be resting your hands there when you aren't typing. According to the ergonomist (I made that word up but it passes spell check) at our office, this is incorrect. The proper typing posture that causes the least amount of strain on your hands and wrists would be to have your keyboard set flat on the desk (with the height risers flipped down, if your keyboard has them) and a palm rest that puts your wrists at a height even to the keyboard. If you are keeping your hands off the desk, you're adding extra strain to your wrists. This is why the Kinesis keyboard has built in wrist rests
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shrughes posted:No palmrest. You shouldn't be touching it when you type and you shouldn't be resting your hands there when you aren't typing. I dunno man I brought my palmrest home to try out for this weekend's Starcraft marathon and the difference is noticeable. I just default my keyboard to the "up" position, but just tried it down and that feels super nice. Thanks for the advice, bacon! I'm not sure a leather palm rest is right for gaming, though. Moving over to the right side of the keyboard is weird because your wrist sticks. 
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What's the main difference between a Das Keyboard and the Razer Blackwidow? What makes the Das Keyboard worth the extra money? Just how loud are they?
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Can anyone recommend a keyboard that is; 1) Quiet. 2) Wireless. 3) Has blank keys. It's easy to find a keyboard with 2 out of those 3, but so far nothing with all 3.
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Nigel Danvers posted:Can anyone recommend a keyboard that is; http://www.techexcess.net/logitech-blank-wireless-keyboard-643684-1000.aspx
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I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can  at the normals?
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Nonpython posted:I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can I think they look slicker, and I've heard people say it's also a good way to force yourself into touch typing, because why look down at the keyboard if there's nothing to see?
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Nonpython posted:I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can That, and the normals won't want to use your computer.
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Nonpython posted:I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can Yes.
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Nonpython posted:I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can Duh.
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Just picked up a Logitech comfort wave 450 to replace my old ergonomic keyboard and it's really quite nice. Low travel, with a soft Schwiffy bounce instead of a horrible mushy feeling or harsh mechanical clacking. The lack of a curve is going to take some getting used to but it's still comfortable for gaming/typing over several hours at a time. Still looking forward to haptic multitouch devices in a decade or so with custom layouts using tiny actuators to define the tactile edge of a key, dial or anything you could wish for as a control interface. As one particularly creepy friend said "If you want to control something by flipping rusty switches you can. Or you can make a keyboard layout that feels like typing on 105 tiny oiled breasts complete with realistic jiggle and Braille nipples."  I like to think he was joking but this is the internet, there will be thousands of people using that setting no matter how disturbing or impractical it is to have both slippery and jiggling tactile feedback from keys.
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Can someone with experience on a cherry red keyboard chime in? From what I understand the red keys have the actuation feel of the blues but without the mechanism that makes it click. The result is a board that feels in between blues and topre which is really appealing to me. I don't think I have a way to test reds anywhere but if confirmed I'll probably go for one.
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bacon! posted:According to the ergonomist (I made that word up but it passes spell check) at our office, this is incorrect. The proper typing posture that causes the least amount of strain on your hands and wrists would be to have your keyboard set flat on the desk (with the height risers flipped down, if your keyboard has them) and a palm rest that puts your wrists at a height even to the keyboard. If you are keeping your hands off the desk, you're adding extra strain to your wrists. This is why the Kinesis keyboard has built in wrist rests The Kinesis works because it has properly sized and shaped things, that are more like hand positioners than palm rests. Palm rests like the one pictured are not the right size, and they don't really cause good ergonomic usage. If the wrists are on them when not typing, one is keeping your arms in one position, which is bad. If the wrists are touching them when typing, the question of whether good ergonomics s being had depends on how the forearms are positioned, whether the wrists are only brushing the wrist rests or whether they're being supported by them. Keeping your hands off the desk does not strain the wrists (Edit: [1]). For non-Kinesis keyboards the best thing to do is to put the keyboard on the edge of the desk so that there's no place to lay the wrists down. But even with that, many people will still find a way to sit with horrible posture and type with their wrists hovering underneath the edge of the desk. To those people I'd suggest getting a Kinesis, or gluing razors to the front of your space bar, or hiring a piano teacher to whack the underside of their forearms with a ruler every time they do that. [1] Well, I don't know if this claim is really universally true. I used to say I'd keep my hands off the desk and type with proper posture, and I got wrist problems anyway because I didn't exactly do that. Palm rests did not solve anything. All my wrist problems vanished soon after I picked up a hobby that strengthened my wrists. shrughes fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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shrughes posted:
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HKS posted:Can someone with experience on a cherry red keyboard chime in? From what I understand the red keys have the actuation feel of the blues but without the mechanism that makes it click. The result is a board that feels in between blues and topre which is really appealing to me. I've only had the Filco with Reds for about a week or so now, and I don't have experience typing on Blues yet (it should be coming tomorrow, hopefully!), but hopefully I can help out with the info that I've read. The Red switches are classified as "linear". This means that they are non-tactile, and non-clicky, and the force/distance chart would look like the following (y axis is force, x axis is distance traveled):  The point marked at the top, almost at 2.0mm is the activation point, where the point at about 1.80mm is the deactivation point.
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What is the defining difference between bluetooth and regular ol' "wireless" as a means of transmission for wireless keyboards? I've hated cheapo wireless keyboards because the range on them sucks, but I'd really like to be able to kick back and control my work PC from my lap, and it has bluetooth functionality built in. my other problem is that bluetooth equivalents to my Illuminated are like... 170 dollars. jesus christ.
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Full Circle posted:http://www.techexcess.net/logitech-blank-wireless-keyboard-643684-1000.aspx Thanks, gave me something to look for but can't seem to find it in the U.K. Nonpython posted:I don't understand blank keys. Is it just so you can Dunno about others, but for me it aesthetics. I've got a black glass desk, so a blank black keyboard would ( in my opinion ) look good on it. Besides who else will really see my keyboard, when people come round I ( rarely ) say "come watch me touch type "
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I've been checking this thread everyday since I ordered my Leopold. Why can't they just release them already?
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Stew Man Chew posted:What is the defining difference between bluetooth and regular ol' "wireless" as a means of transmission for wireless keyboards? I've hated cheapo wireless keyboards because the range on them sucks, but I'd really like to be able to kick back and control my work PC from my lap, and it has bluetooth functionality built in. Bluetooth is a set of standards that specify things like antenna power, encoding, frequency hopping, and so on. If it's got the bluetooth logo, that means it's been certified to work to those standards. Other wireless systems may or may not be better or worse but Bluetooth should at least behave in a predictable way. There are also multiple classes (1 through 3 iirc) of device with different power ratings and nominal ranges, but I have no idea which keyboards are which classes offhand.
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I've been using a Topre Realforce for a few days now and I must say that, despite the price, this is the best keyboard I've ever used. I bought a Filco brown along with it to see which I liked better and it literally only took a few minutes of testing to settle on the Topre (incidentally, the Filco is on sale in SA mart if anyone is interested). That isn't to say that the Filco was bad as it is a very well built keyboard that has a robust tactile feel to it, but compared to the Realforce it just felt and sounded like grating plastic and twangy springs. That said, the Realforce does take some getting used to as it really doesn't feel quite like anything else that I've used for any length of time before including an old 90's clicky mechanical keyboard and a rubber dome model, but now that I've used it for a few days anything else just feels "sloppy", if that makes any sense. The keys really have a light, smooth and solid feel that nothing else replicates. They are expensive, but it seems there really is a reason that so many people sing their praises once they've used them for a while.
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The_Franz posted:I've been using a Topre Realforce for a few days now and I must say that, despite the price, this is the best keyboard I've ever used. I bought a Filco brown along with it to see which I liked better and it literally only took a few minutes of testing to settle on the Topre (incidentally, the Filco is on sale in SA mart if anyone is interested). That isn't to say that the Filco was bad as it is a very well built keyboard that has a robust tactile feel to it, but compared to the Realforce it just felt and sounded like grating plastic and twangy springs. Your experience matches mine exactly 100% except that I took the Filco to work.
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shrughes posted:The Topre Realforce with variable key weighting seems worse than the one with consistent 55g key weighting. Update: After further consideration, I find myself liking both models (for software development) about equally. In fact, the variable-weighted keyboard has a slight lead, but that might be only because I use it a lot more.
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headcase posted:Your experience matches mine exactly 100% except that I took the Filco to work. 
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illamint posted:This is why I'm hesitant to upgrade to Realforce keyboards; I already have a Filco with Browns at both work and home, and I know that it wouldn't just be a $250 upgrade, it'd be a $500 upgrade because if I loved it that much I'd have to have two Stick with the browns unless curiosity gets the best of you, the functionality is comparable. The Realforce is just a really solid, well made board. My favorite part is not the capacitive switches, but the heavy plastic keys. Thok thok thok.
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I might hook up my gaming system to a big HDTV. Are these good wireless keyboard/mouse combos if I intend to game from the couch (using a tray or something)? Is there anything else recommended for gaming with a wireless keyboard and mouse and a HDTV? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011FQUQG http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DJ9GOS
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My daskeyboard! (I think it requires an exclamation mark at the end of the name) got delivered to work today. I can't give any real impressions so far since this is pretty much the first thing I've typed, except for my password. I can say that I'm already finding it much better to type on than my trusty old G11, which will be going to someone who will appreciate a glowy keyboard. In fact the pleasure I'm getting from this keyboard will probably make me waffle on more than is usual for me when I post because at the moment I'm enjoying typing so much I don't actually want to stop. The noise is quite rhythmic - I'm trying to not bottom out the keys too much and after only a few minutes I'm finding the need to pound the keys much less - except the space bar which, for some reason, my thumb seems determined to bang down, so the noise is click, click, click, CLACK, click, click, click, CLACK.. As an aside, as I was driving home with the keyboard next to me I would occasionally yell out "DAS KEYBOARD!" in an authentic, and casually racist, German accent I learned from every bad WWII movie I've ever watched. Apologies to my German brothers and sisters. Anyway, enough of my ramblings - after typing this post I can already conclude that this particular mechanical keyboard is better than any of the other keyboards I've ever typed on. I'm sure there are better keyboards out there, but I can see myself staying with this for as long as the machines I buy support it.
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Can anybody recommend me a keyboard? * Wireless with great range * Built-in mouse (touchpad) * Relatively cheap * In-between HTPC keyboard/remote and full-size keyboard. Also, some what related, are there any keyboards that can be shared between multiple PCs? I don't want a full-blown KVM. I'd just like to share the keyboard between different USB hosts.
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Vinlaen posted:Can anybody recommend me a keyboard? Would synergy fulfill that last criterion? http://synergy-foss.org/
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Synergy is definitely awesome (and I've used it in the past), but it switches control between machines when you move to the edge of your monitor, right? (ie. it pretends you have multiple monitors but they are actually on different computers) Can you disable that and just switch between machines with a keypress or something? EDIT: After skimming the docs it looks like you CAN bind a key to switch monitors. Very interesting... Now does anybody have any keyboard recommendations? 
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To confirm: Synergy can switch on keypress and also be configured to NOT switch on monitor boundaries. So it can do what you want. So, now for my 2 keyboard requests. These are tricky. Keyboard 1: I need good anti-ghosting because I do not play with WASD. I play with DFG, from the old Duke Nukem 3D days. DFG is my ASD and my W is actually my right mouse button. 15 years of muscle memory have stopped me from ever changing this. So I need anti-ghosting. But it can't be anti-ghosting of the WASD cluster - I need really good anti-ghosting across the left half of the keyboard. (or the entire keyboard!) I thought there was a Microsoft product out a while ago that did this but I can't seem to pull it up again. I am currently using an Eclipse 2. Keyboard 2: My favourite tactile feedback is actually the Thinkpad scissor switch line. I have had a steady progression of Thinkpad X series laptops and adore the keyboards in each one. I have a USB Thinkpad scissor-switch keyboard at work but am curious about mechanical keyboards. (I cannot use the Thinkpad keyboard at home due to absolutely awful ghosting) I have tried mechanical keyboards before, but mostly the lower end ones and many, many ages ago an original IBM Model M. My main problem with the mechanical keyboard I tried (an ABS when it was on sale at Newegg) was that while I loved the feel and sound, there was no cushioning at the bottom of the key as you'd get in either a scissor switch or rubber dome keyboard. After a week of using the keyboard my fingers hurt from striking the keyboard backplate without any cushion. Switching back to a rubber dome immediately fixed the pain. I apparently rain my fingers down on my keys as if I am wielding Thor's hammer. Are there mechanical keyboards that provide cushioning at the bottom, or do they all assume that you're going to alter your typing style to stop your fingers after the click? edit: I should mention that the more dull the keyboard design the better. I like my Eclipse 2's footprint and lack of super duper gaming macro keys, if it wasn't obvious by the fact that I use a Thinkpad keyboard at work that doesn't even have a number key pad. double edit: found the Microsoft Sidewinder X4... does anyone know if that wrist rest is removable? None of the reviews or a quick google tells me. LiquidRain fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Mar 29, 2011 |
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LiquidRain posted:double edit: found the Microsoft Sidewinder X4... does anyone know if that wrist rest is removable? None of the reviews or a quick google tells me. It's part of the keyboard shell, have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Pt2PsKrr8&t=1m20s and as he flips the keyboard over you can see the entire back is one piece.
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Argh, that's a bummer. Can anyone with any other Logitech/MS keyboard with a removable wrist rest go to Microsoft's ghost testing page and see if you can get A, F, and G recognized simultaneously? You'd be doing me a huge favour.
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LiquidRain posted:Argh, that's a bummer. Can anyone with any other Logitech/MS keyboard with a removable wrist rest go to Microsoft's ghost testing page and see if you can get A, F, and G recognized simultaneously? You'd be doing me a huge favour. Logitech G15 v1 (The blue backlight one with 18 G keys) can send 6 keys at once, all in the left half of the keyboard. It appears five or six keys is the upper limit, depending on what you try press. hitting every arrow key at once stops me sending a period, comma, or semicolon, but I can still hit any home row letter as well as backslash...
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LiquidRain posted:Are there mechanical keyboards that provide cushioning at the bottom, or do they all assume that you're going to alter your typing style to stop your fingers after the click? Topre keyswitches are supposed to provide what you are asking for in a mech board. I have never used one though myself(I will someday when I have the money). http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards
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Liquid - you're going to be looking at a keyboard with NKRO. Most NKROs are PS2 and ~$100, but I've seen the Noppoo Choco Mini with NKRO on USB. It works by pretending it's something like 3 keyboards... so... that's kind of weird. For the second part you're probably going to have to look up Topre or relearn how to type for your mechanical. Otherwise just use a scissorswitch (probably no NKRO). On a side note: what's the quietest wireless keyboard? I would prefer something small and sleek and w/ mouse control (IBM nipple ftw, but i'd do ball or pad if it kept the keyboard pretty small).
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blowingupcasinos posted:Liquid - you're going to be looking at a keyboard with NKRO. Most NKROs are PS2 and ~$100, but I've seen the Noppoo Choco Mini with NKRO on USB. It works by pretending it's something like 3 keyboards... so... that's kind of weird. Also if you are a OSX user the NKRO over USB won't work. I have a Noppoo Choco Mini that I love, but I keep another keyboard at work in the case I need to test something on my Mac partition.
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