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I know it might hurt your head but I got my first copy of Masters of the Universe from a Juggalo. They listen to everything. Edit: But they still stupid. HatchetDown fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 4, 2011 |
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Apr 4, 2011 23:40
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Teepkick Shakur posted:I totally forgot about that. What happened there? From what I've read in interviews, pretty much Doom was procrastinating and Ghost just moved on. HatchetDown posted:He mentioned the whole fake Doom thing and how he's pretty sure that that's all that he was doing, coming out with an album every time he wanted to make some cash and just stays with his family. Afterward Doom's excuse for having another guy do his shows was that Doom is techinically a character and Del was like "C'mon man you can't just say that poo poo after the fact"
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Apr 5, 2011 00:59
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Aggro posted:What else should I pick up by him? Wiki lists a few digital albums and four mixtapes -- how many of those are worth grabbing? Mood Muzik 1/2/3/4, Escape Route, Halfway House. I'd start with the Mood Muzik mixtapes, so many classics on them.
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Apr 5, 2011 01:32
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alansmithee posted:a couple months ago heard about one of my friends friends being at the show, and it was the real Doom, and this was overseas. think about it. the overseas people get the real doom because the promoters are probably making sure he has the right identification to get overseas (passports, etc.) and all that really needs is one city. once you got one city, well then you might as well keep touring overseas. but, when he is on the mainland, he has more access to more resources and last minute people to change things up. like, how many MF DOOM lookalikes live in Norway?
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Apr 5, 2011 02:10
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So does anyone know why most, if not all, of Odd Future's album covers feature white people on the art? Also: What are some of the terms being used to describe these kind of rappers?
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Apr 5, 2011 04:38
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John Brown posted:So does anyone know why most, if not all, of Odd Future's album covers feature white people on the art? I don't think it is any super kind of subliminal thing. I think grainy photographs of white people, children, etc. just gives the desired aesthetic effect. (could be wrong.) as far as labels, they reject them. some people say "horrorcore" but they hate that and I do too honestly.
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Apr 5, 2011 06:03
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x TOMMYBOY x posted:I don't think it is any super kind of subliminal thing. I think grainy photographs of white people, children, etc. just gives the desired aesthetic effect. Horrorcore doesn't really fit, especially when you look at stuff like Mellowhype and Mike G. IMO leave the labeling for white people music, rap don't need that poo poo. There's only two labels for rap music afaik: good and southern.
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Apr 5, 2011 07:13
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John Brown posted:So does anyone know why most, if not all, of Odd Future's album covers feature white people on the art? alansmithee posted:Horrorcore doesn't really fit, especially when you look at stuff like Mellowhype and Mike G. IMO leave the labeling for white people music, rap don't need that poo poo. There's only two labels for rap music afaik: good and southern.
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Apr 5, 2011 07:22
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alansmithee posted:There's only two labels for rap music afaik: good and southern. You don't like Jeezy, you ain't no friend of mine.
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Apr 5, 2011 07:24
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alansmithee posted:Horrorcore doesn't really fit, especially when you look at stuff like Mellowhype and Mike G. IMO leave the labeling for white people music, rap don't need that poo poo. There's only two labels for rap music afaik: good and southern. Yeah that is pretty much what I was trying to say. Except for that last bit. Now you're just being inflammatory but I'll just say that you are wrong.
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Apr 5, 2011 07:58
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Aggro posted:What else should I pick up by him? Wiki lists a few digital albums and four mixtapes -- how many of those are worth grabbing? "10 Minutes" is hardly ever brought up when discussing Joe but it's one of his better songs. It also displays his voice before the cigarettes completely hosed him up.
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Apr 5, 2011 08:37
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Also when you're done with those delete all of it from your hard drive and listen to T-Shirts and Buddens.
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Apr 5, 2011 08:40
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powerful drum sound posted:Also when you're done with those delete all of it from your hard drive and listen to T-Shirts and Buddens. drat... gotta agree with "powerful drum sound"
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Apr 5, 2011 08:42
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First time I've ever heard that. Powerful poo poo.
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Apr 5, 2011 09:20
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powerful drum sound posted:Also when you're done with those delete all of it from your hard drive and listen to T-Shirts and Buddens. Oh my God. This just changed what I thought about Lil B, let alone my life. Best diss I've heard since Jadakiss's "Checkmate".
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Apr 5, 2011 12:43
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Mac Lethal put out his new mixtape North Korean BBQ here: http://maclethal.bandcamp.com I don't know if anyone's interested. Mac's hit and miss for me, but this is mostly a miss. I prefer his older stuff and his guest spots myself. Ever since his stint with Rhymesayers I've not been impressed by him. Also, Blueprint's album is out today and its really good. I've been a fan of the guy for a long time and I think this is the best I've heard him. Noah 23 came out with his new album last week, but if anyone listens to that kind of stuff, they might dig it. It's called Fry Cook On Venus.
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Apr 5, 2011 13:32
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The best part about Joe Budden is hearing other rappers tear him apart on diss tracks. Saigon's will always be my favorite There's usually one day every three months I'll listen to Budden, and the lyrics are pretty nice, and then the next day I can't stand him because of that loving monotone voice
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Apr 5, 2011 14:23
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alansmithee posted:From what I've read in interviews, pretty much Doom was procrastinating and Ghost just moved on. That sounds like it would be the case. Unfortunately my conversation about Doom was just in the car, though he does mention briefly that he's trying to work with him in the interview as well as the slight possibility of working with Dangermouse. Has anyone caught any of those G4 Freestyle101 spots?
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Apr 5, 2011 17:18
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Fudge for Hands posted:Take Project Pat for a great example, a literal flow virtuoso who might not be sharing physics equations or life lessons with everyone in his verses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY9jrMB1X-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OQ_HTriXw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tq7R1mnSDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-C0EA728s Man i love Project Pat, he's just gangsta as gently caress. Can anyone recommend me any other artists like him?
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Apr 5, 2011 20:30
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WDIIA posted:There's usually one day every three months I'll listen to Budden, and the lyrics are pretty nice, and then the next day I can't stand him because of that loving monotone voice loving cosign. Everybody says "oh Buddens is nice," and I'm like "you must be tweeked out of your goard how the gently caress can you stay awake when that mumblin' motherfucker is on the mic!?"
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Apr 5, 2011 20:46
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LooKMaN posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OQ_HTriXw I was an idiot drug dealer in high school and this CD, especially that song was my loving bible. As far as other stuff, old 3-6 and HCP is a treasure trove of awesome forgotten music. I'd get into that first - HCP - Who Run It (This whole CD was dope) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxLaO2Ku-Ts Project Pat - Blunt to My Lips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIW2H-wgC54 Three Six - 3-6 in the Mornin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x206j2WuJmc Seriously though if you get the first 5 Triple Six albums they're great. They're still good, but they were just so dirty - most of their songs pretty dark and more about getting hosed up and murdering people and Satan. Growing up in TN this poo poo got so much play, I've seen them like 4 times in small clubs in tiny towns and they're cool as poo poo too.
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Apr 5, 2011 20:46
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Robert Analog posted:HCP - Who Run It (This whole CD was dope) that album owns i never heard mystic stylez until the other week and gently caress its raw
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Apr 5, 2011 21:21
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Anyone know the beat in the Thesaurus vs Justice battle in Scribble 05? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzcXSYJUHC8 edit: Whoops, right in the comments. My bad. Still a great battle so listen to it if you haven't before tbp fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Apr 5, 2011 |
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Apr 5, 2011 23:04
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This is going to be a long shot, but does anyone remember back when Fab first came out, doing the freestyles back when NY rappers were basically going hard as gently caress on mixtapes? He did a few joints with another dude called Coke Kane (he was on the WWIII freestyle), and I'm looking for one where that kid said "your money like my goddaughter at Six Flags... a little too short to get on the big rides" and if I'm not wrong, on the same joint he went "I stay showing niggas things they never seen / Jordans from next spring... ya brain, ya spleen". No idea what beat that was on or who else (if anyone) was sharing the track with him, but I've been digging through all my old Clue tapes and poo poo, can't find it. Anyone know?
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Apr 5, 2011 23:28
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farmtrill posted:that album owns When I first heard "Fuckin Wit Dis Click" I was like drat. Their older poo poo is raw too like come with me to Hell Pt 1 and 2 (DJ Paul and Lord Infamous).
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Apr 5, 2011 23:38
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Sarx posted:Also, Blueprint's album is out today and its really good. I've been a fan of the guy for a long time and I think this is the best I've heard him. ive always liked print and ever since his song on bk-one's album ive been checking for him. the stuff that rhymesayers posts on facebook was enough to get me interested in the album so thanks for mentioning that its out, ill check it out also heres that song for yall busters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlxPOnnNRMs im like drat fam.. u prolly right
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Apr 5, 2011 23:50
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Chade Johnson posted:When I first heard "Fuckin Wit Dis Click" I was like drat. Their older poo poo is raw too like come with me to Hell Pt 1 and 2 (DJ Paul and Lord Infamous). They touched a lot of styles over the years. I'd say the very best of their work is from mystic stylez to choices 1 but most known unknowns is bumpin too. If you like the raw underground poo poo my personal favorites are underground vol. 1 and 2 witch are collections of underground hits. When you go older than that it just sounds too underground/low quality for me but there are exceptions. One thing is for sure paul and juice are the masters of sampling. They not only have mastered the art of sampling music of all kinds but also the art of sampling themselves! thats something! As for rappers similar to project pat, poo poo..... maybe Chrome? Talking of chrome, what the gently caress happened to him? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIYzPbOJE5Y By the way, I watched choices 1 and 2 (the movies) the other day for the first time and holy gently caress are those movies awful lol but in a good way. Kinda like baller blockin but not as completely loving ridiculous.
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Apr 6, 2011 00:52
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:They touched a lot of styles over the years. I'd say the very best of their work is from mystic stylez to choices 1 but most known unknowns is bumpin too. If you like the raw underground poo poo my personal favorites are underground vol. 1 and 2 witch are collections of underground hits. When you go older than that it just sounds too underground/low quality for me but there are exceptions. One thing is for sure paul and juice are the masters of sampling. They not only have mastered the art of sampling music of all kinds but also the art of sampling themselves! thats something! Chrome is just another one in the long line of former Prophet/HCP members that have been cast aside/quit over money. I think if anyone sounds like Pat, it's Frayser Boy. Much like Chrome though he is no longer affiliated with the Hypnotize Camp. Everyday Thang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfwBDf_lT4 Me Being Me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzEWDw0Pmd0 Money Gettin' Mission - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYBNUT9ysQ
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Apr 6, 2011 02:30
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speaking of memphis raps...i've always liked this joint and thought it was underappreciated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58EKPUveviI Blak Jak featuring Project Pat - Ride and Swerve (Is that a Bun B sample in the hook?)
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Apr 6, 2011 02:41
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caveman thug poo poo posted:ive always liked print and ever since his song on bk-one's album ive been checking for him. the stuff that rhymesayers posts on facebook was enough to get me interested in the album so thanks for mentioning that its out, ill check it out Don't know if you've checked for any of his other stuff, but I really enjoyed the Greenhouse Effect album he put out a few years back. I've liked him for awhile, but I gotta say his voice takes some getting used to (hated the first Soul Position EP). Also his production I've always liked a lot too, although I don't think he's done much for people outside his camp. And thanks for the heads up about the album coming out, I knew it was supposed to have been out in March but must've got pushed back.
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Apr 6, 2011 03:37
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Joe Budden is "dope with the wordplay" as they say and overall a good rapper.. but Lil B's diss just shows how the strength of not taking yourself so seriously can really gently caress people up. edit: as a small sidenote I remember when Relapse came out and I believe the consensus here was it was not very good. I remember I said that I think it is a classic. I just wanna say I stand by that opinion in terms of modern albums. x TOMMYBOY x fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 6, 2011 |
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Apr 6, 2011 03:56
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x TOMMYBOY x posted:edit: as a small sidenote I remember when Relapse came out and I believe the consensus here was it was not very good. I remember I said that I think it is a classic. I just wanna say I stand by that opinion in terms of modern albums. While I defend the subjectivity of art, this is an example of an opinion being wrong. Relapse is not only not a classic, but it is Eminem's worst album hands down. To label it classic, in fact, cheapens the term classic. Compare it to the new Kanye, which while I think is a good album, I wouldn't call classic, but I have heard many people label it as such. There's no way you can even say Relapse is in the same league as that album.
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Apr 6, 2011 10:57
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:They touched a lot of styles over the years. I'd say the very best of their work is from mystic stylez to choices 1 but most known unknowns is bumpin too. If you like the raw underground poo poo my personal favorites are underground vol. 1 and 2 witch are collections of underground hits. When you go older than that it just sounds too underground/low quality for me but there are exceptions. One thing is for sure paul and juice are the masters of sampling. They not only have mastered the art of sampling music of all kinds but also the art of sampling themselves! thats something! the Choices movies are so goddamn bad but the soundtracks are so good. Slang N Serve is the joint Also I gotta say that Underground Vol 3: Kings Of Memphis is my favorite bc of all the songs from what to me is the peak of Triple : Da Summa remix, M.E.M.P.H.I.S remix, Smokin on Da Dro, Powder (Higher Version), Wonabees, gently caress What U Heard, etc. The best Project Pat album is still Ghetty Green but the ones he's done since getting out of prison have been pretty good too. Walkin Bank Roll was probably my favorite of those.
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Apr 6, 2011 11:31
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Sarx posted:While I defend the subjectivity of art, this is an example of an opinion being wrong. Relapse is not only not a classic, but it is Eminem's worst album hands down. I'm interested in your reasoning as to how this album is "hands down" worse than Recovery and Encore. edit: The voice thing is not a good enough reason. x TOMMYBOY x fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Apr 6, 2011 |
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Apr 6, 2011 11:50
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x TOMMYBOY x posted:I'm interested in your reasoning as to how this album is "hands down" worse than Recovery and Encore. Encore is still his worst album but Recovery and Relapse are pretty much garbage
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Apr 6, 2011 11:56
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x TOMMYBOY x posted:I'm interested in your reasoning as to how this album is "hands down" worse than Recovery and Encore. Okay, hands down may be a bit strong for Recovery because I think both albums are very close to each other because I think there's one listenable song on each of them. Relapse has Underground, which is awesome because the song is in 5/4 time which almost no other hip hop song is in, and the fact that Eminem rides that beat so flawlessly is very awesome. Recovery has "On Fire" which is an absolute banger with some of the best Eminem verses since the Eminem show. However, Recovery is full of insufferable boy band hooks while Relapse has Eminem trying to reclaim his "horrorcore" style from his first album, but it just comes off as ridiculous. Which is my main problem with both of the albums, they don't sound genuine. They sound artificial and overwrought. That's the only thing that I think puts Encore above them to me. While Encore is full of the same "dad raps" as Recovery, where we see glimpses of a mature Eminem talking about his daughter and about trying to squash beef and prevent tragedy, it at least sounds kind of believable and genuine as where Recovery and Relapse sound fake and "try-hard". Regardless of how you order those three albums, none of them are even close to classic. Think of other classic albums: ATLiens, Illmatic, Death Certificate, The Chronic, Stress: The Extinction Agenda, Midnight Marauders, etc. I don't believe you can put Relapse amongst company like that genuinely. You can defend the album as something you enjoy, and that you really like, or even as a personal classic perhaps, but a classic is something defined by listeners at large.
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Apr 6, 2011 12:07
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Sarx posted:Okay, hands down may be a bit strong for Recovery because I think both albums are very close to each other because I think there's one listenable song on each of them. Relapse has Underground, which is awesome because the song is in 5/4 time which almost no other hip hop song is in, and the fact that Eminem rides that beat so flawlessly is very awesome. Recovery has "On Fire" which is an absolute banger with some of the best Eminem verses since the Eminem show. However, Recovery is full of insufferable boy band hooks while Relapse has Eminem trying to reclaim his "horrorcore" style from his first album, but it just comes off as ridiculous. Which is my main problem with both of the albums, they don't sound genuine. They sound artificial and overwrought. Okay I definitely see a lil more of your point now, at least you aren't one of those "OMG THE VOICE" people. I mean obviously ATLiens and those are on another level, but I feel like they are also entrenched in a different era of expectation and music. Recovery definitely has Eminem unnecessarily stepping into that trying-to-be-catchy bullshit poppy production, which is overall a less honest place for Em to try and be but I think he basically succeeded although the product is just not dope in the face of, or in the same way as, what he used to be capable of. Relapse I guess you could say he is trying to be too murderous but the rhyme schemes and atmosphere (something Recovery entirely lacks) make it have more replayability. Early in his career, the "crazyness" of his music did feel more natural. In Relapse it is artificial but in a creative "artistic" way. It's like stepping into a crazy carnival of serial killing and just rhymes on top of rhymes. Definitely reeks of artificiality but in a good way in my opinion. I mean Same Song and Dance, Stay Wide Awake, Must Be The Ganja, those are all just really cool songs. I would say go back and listen but you probably are pretty cemented in your opinion. But yeah, I'm thinking maybe they are more personal classics than anything but as far as mainstream rap at least it has a lot of hardcore rapping. tl;dr I'm a Relapse fanboy.
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x TOMMYBOY x posted:Okay I definitely see a lil more of your point now, at least you aren't one of those "OMG THE VOICE" people. I mean obviously ATLiens and those are on another level, but I feel like they are also entrenched in a different era of expectation and music. I still listen to some Relapse joints every once in awhile. I'm not a fan, but I know the songs well enough that I am pretty firm in my opinion. I didn't just listen once and throw it in the trash because I really wanted to like the album. Eminem's first few records are great to me, and I want him to make more good music. I think its even easier to see that the last three records aren't classic, because we're talking about an artist with two definitive classic records in his catalog. I'm pretty sure either The Marshall Mathers LP or The Slim Shady LP is in most rap fans top 10 ever lists. I just think classic is often thrown around but its the kind of thing that isn't declared by one single person. For instance, to me personally here are some classics: Hope by The Non Prophets, The Cold Vein, I'll Sleep When You're Dead, Shadows On The Sun. I don't know that they are definitively classics though because they are not largely agreed upon, so I don't declare them classic unless I add something like "personal" or "arguably" to the equation. But I'm going to stop now that this has basically turned into a diatribe on the importance of adjectives.
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how I feel about Relapse/Recovery era Eminem, for the most part: "you're too old, let go, it's over" - Marshall Mathers, 2002
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