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Biodome posted:For example, Did any more info come out about this kid on the Underground or Sherdog or something?
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Xguard86 posted:I love Grove because he was beating rear end in one of his fights, the round ended and I turned to my friends and said, "he is going to lose in the next round". They asked "what, why? that guy is kicking rear end" and I replied, "because he is Kendall Grove and Kendall Grove is an idiot". Was that the Munoz fight? That was an insane comeback. Is there some sort of consensus on what A. The best fight is (not the most important, it's clear that it's Bonnar vs. Griffin) and B. the worst decision is? the Shogun/Machida decision was really high profile. Also, what's Bonnar's deal? He's clearly skillful and durable, but he never seems to climb the rankings or have any really high profile fights. I'm just wondering if there's any reason for it. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Apr 2, 2011 |
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I've always felt that Miguel Torres vs Takeya Mizugaki was one of the most fun matches ever. Really awesome fight. Machida vs Shogun was a high profile controversial decision, but it really wasn't an awful decision. A lot of those rounds could go either way. Bonnar is really good at a couple of things, but it's not enough to propel him to the top of the division and he didn't improve the way Griffin did.
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Haraksha posted:I've always felt that Miguel Torres vs Takeya Mizugaki was one of the most fun matches ever. Really awesome fight. I'll track that down if I can. I watched the 100 greatest fights recently, and while it was fun, it was disappointing how many were main events, title defences and so on. The undercard fights often showcase some insanely hungry fighters. Yeah, I mostly figured it was a case of it being the biggest fight in the division in a while, and so everyone was watching, so it was more the highest profile decision than the worst.
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Snowman_McK posted:B. the worst decision is? Darril Gholar vs Johil d'Oliveira quote:Also, what's Bonnar's deal? He's clearly skillful and durable, but he never seems to climb the rankings or have any really high profile fights. I'm just wondering if there's any reason for it. Bonnar was actually on a pretty good run after the first Forrest fight, then Carlson Gracie died and he kind of went all to pieces for a while. He bounced around at a couple gyms during that time period but didn't improve a lot and it was a while before he really got himself back on track.
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Snowman_McK posted:Also, what's Bonnar's deal? He's clearly skillful and durable, but he never seems to climb the rankings or have any really high profile fights. I'm just wondering if there's any reason for it. To add on to what Fatherdog said, Bonnar likes to fight really recklessly, even when he's got his poo poo together he often just rushes in throwing punches, despite the fact he can box pretty well if he wants to. I almost think he likes getting punched in the face. He generally doesn't like to go to the ground against guys where he's probably got an advantage over most if not everyone in the division. You can see when Schafer and Nickels pushed the issue of taking the fight to the ground Bonnar eventually decided just to beat the poo poo out of them there instead of trying to get back to the feet and playing rock em sock em robots. He's really a lot like little nogueira skill wise, nice hands, good off his back, and they both have a great chin but Bonnar has worse wrestling and better cardio (and not really a lot of power in his punching). Anyway most guys can get Bonnar to trade with them wildly so his good boxing isn't in full effect, and his jiu jitsu isn't even usually seen. But he's so drat tough with such good cardio and capable of keeping up a high pace sometimes guys can't even exploit him that way. For instance, he was knocking down Jardine left and right while Jardine was trying to measure him for inside and outside leg kick/big right combos. Krystof S. was perfectly capable of brawling with Bonnar, and it seemed like his power was actually giving him an edge in the first fight, but Bonnar is just so loving gritty he was able to take it and blast sos. out. bonnar owns
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I really wish they had given Bonnar the Ortiz fight.
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Bundt Cake posted:To add on to what Fatherdog said, Bonnar likes to fight really recklessly, even when he's got his poo poo together he often just rushes in throwing punches, despite the fact he can box pretty well if he wants to. I almost think he likes getting punched in the face. Also Bonnar doesn't seem to be very smart when fighting. He came out with a sideways kung-fu stance against mark coleman of all people, then tried to do a sidekick. He also did some stupid things against Jon Jones IIRC.
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Thanks a bunch for all that. I caught both Krystof fights and I loved them (I like Krystof too) and I was just wondering if there was any particular reason he'd not climbed the way forrest did.
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Flying-Chip posted:Also Bonnar doesn't seem to be very smart when fighting. yeah pretty much.
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Snowman_McK posted:Thanks a bunch for all that. I caught both Krystof fights and I loved them (I like Krystof too) and I was just wondering if there was any particular reason he'd not climbed the way forrest did. a lot of it relates directly to him roiding out for their rematch
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Bundt Cake posted:a lot of it relates directly to him roiding out for their rematch please explain this
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Pwny_Xpress posted:please explain this Bonnar got popped for roids in the second Griffin fight, which kept him on the shelf for a year and caused him to lose a lot of the same UFC/SPIKE publicity gigs that Forrest had. Since then he's been positioned as much less of a star and has nowhere near the profile that Forrest has in general.
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http://o2trainer.gostorego.com/videos.html so is this thing a gimmick or would it be worth getting?
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jeffersonlives posted:Bonnar got popped for roids in the second Griffin fight, which kept him on the shelf for a year and caused him to lose a lot of the same UFC/SPIKE publicity gigs that Forrest had. Since then he's been positioned as much less of a star and has nowhere near the profile that Forrest has in general. Forrest also improved a lot more, technically and physically. Probably because he had a fairly stable camp with great guys while Bonnar kind of bounced around Chicago, training everything piecemeal.
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What is the name of that MMA org that had 3 guys fighting at one time?
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Calliper posted:What is the name of that MMA org that had 3 guys fighting at one time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXDY5dPhVI
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Can someone talk in depth about takedowns? Different types, how to tell a good one form a bad one, maybe some gifs of "here's a good one" vs. "here's a bad one".
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Grifter posted:Can someone talk in depth about takedowns? Different types, how to tell a good one form a bad one, maybe some gifs of "here's a good one" vs. "here's a bad one". Good ones: done by American wrestlers Bad ones: done by the rest of the world, especially Europeans.  I'm not knowledgeable enough about wrestling to contribute, but I wanted to be snide, so there.
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A Pale Horse posted:Good ones: done by American wrestlers Most top Japanese fighters (at least in the past) had a wrestling background like Gomi and Sudo. But Japan isn't as strong a wrestling country as America. It's just that most of the other strong wrestling countries don't really have an MMA scene, like Iran, Turkey, and Cuba. Then you have Korea, where the scene is just burgeoning but two of the top gyms there are wrestling-based, so maybe we'll see some decent Korean wrestling in the future. What's weird is that Russia is actually the top wrestling country but I don't know of any Russian wrestler going into MMA. I guess it might be that MMA just isn't lucrative or prestigious enough there for it to be worth their time, while in the US wrestlers have no future outside of the Olympics or MMA.
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I was gonna say Matyushenko but it turns out he's Belarussian.
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Grifter posted:Can someone talk in depth about takedowns? Different types, how to tell a good one form a bad one, maybe some gifs of "here's a good one" vs. "here's a bad one". I dont train or anything, but basically there are trips, throws, single legs, double legs, and slams which are basically just really cool looking double legs. Trips and throws are common in BJJ and Judo but are difficult to execute in MMA because the lack of a gi to grab onto. Lyoto Machida has outstanding trips. Throws are less common but Jon Jones has a couple highlight reel worthy ones. Single legs are basically just what it sounds like. You grab a leg and pull it out from under them or use it any way you can to drag them down. Phil Davis pulled off some nice ones recent in the main event of UFN. Historically Kazushi Sakuraba has pretty much the best single leg takedowns ever. GSP is pretty slick with them as well. Double legs are basically where you really drive into you opponent and grab them around the thighs (i believe) and lift up/pull out while you use your body to push their torso down onto the mat. Mark Coleman and more recently Chael Sonnen and Rashad Evans execute these quite nicely. I believe proper technique here really requires you to get your hips in low so you have lots of explosive power. As far as slams.... you pick them up real high and then throw them down. Rampage Jackson used to be really slammy back in his pride days, and Matt Hughes is pretty famous for just picking his opponent up and then running to wherever his corner was and slamming them there. One of the most important things about wrestling in MMA is incorporating striking to set up your takedowns. UFC Lightweight Champion Frankie "The Answer" Edger is very good at this. But in the end any takedown that gets your opponent on the ground and you on top of them is "good". Hopefully you didnt eat a big knee or uppercut on the way in. I apologize if i am mobn levels of incorrect here, but that is my understanding of them. Also, i am too lazy/dumb to post GIFs. Pwny_Xpress fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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You can slam a dude off a single leg too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zg4qPUOfd0#t=0m19s
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shizen posted:http://o2trainer.gostorego.com/videos.html I'm sure it'd work, but it wouldn't be worth it. Especially not in the context of combat sports. You would get similar benefits and better habits by training and working out with your mouthguard on and breathing as you would in a fight. Running with a mouthguard on is painful 
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Other than Saku and Barnett, are there any other big catch wrestling guys? Why aren't there more?
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fawker posted:Other than Saku and Barnett, are there any other big catch wrestling guys? Why aren't there more? The Shamrocks both were catch i think. And i think its mostly cuz BJJ is more versatile.
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fawker posted:Other than Saku and Barnett, are there any other big catch wrestling guys? Why aren't there more? Megumi, Minowa, Funaki, Cortxbomb. As to why there aren't more, my guess is that it's not a real thing.
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Pwny_Xpress posted:Double legs are basically where you really drive into you opponent and grab them around the thighs (i believe) More behind the knees. fawker posted:Other than Saku and Barnett, are there any other big catch wrestling guys? Why aren't there more? Although he has a black belt in BJJ, Erik Paulson also does catch wrestling. During his seminars he refers to the moves and submissions by their catch wrestling names (chicken wing, etc.)
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Pwny_Xpress posted:The Shamrocks both were catch i think. And i think its mostly cuz BJJ is more versatile. Frank started training cuz of Ken, and then got thrown in the deep end in Pancrase. So I guess one of the biggest influences on him is the early Japanese MMA style.
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Will2Powa posted:What's weird is that Russia is actually the top wrestling country but I don't know of any Russian wrestler going into MMA. I guess it might be that MMA just isn't lucrative or prestigious enough there for it to be worth their time, while in the US wrestlers have no future outside of the Olympics or MMA. Valetudo.ru, posting at Bloodyelbow posted:The real reasons why people like Buvaisar Saitiev are not going to MMA is because….they are MILLIONAIRES and very well set for the rest of their lifes.
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The last TUF reminded me to ask a thing: How come when two equally weak/mediocre wrestlers fight and one has double underhooks against the cage we hardly ever see bear hug takedowns...Fitch pulls this off a lot and he's not an elite wrestler.
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Elmo Oxygen posted:Do I even want to know where these Eastern European "sponsors" are getting enough money to set athletes up for life?
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Paul Pot posted:The last TUF reminded me to ask a thing: How come when two equally weak/mediocre wrestlers fight and one has double underhooks against the cage we hardly ever see bear hug takedowns...Fitch pulls this off a lot and he's not an elite wrestler. Fitch is a pretty drat good wrestler (in an MMA context)  . As for not seeing the takedown, I'd chalk it up to two lovely wrestlers nullifying each others lovely wrestling. But I'd like to hear a technical explanation.
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Paul Pot posted:The last TUF reminded me to ask a thing: How come when two equally weak/mediocre wrestlers fight and one has double underhooks against the cage we hardly ever see bear hug takedowns...Fitch pulls this off a lot and he's not an elite wrestler. Because with a bearhug, you generally have to lower your body to lift the dude. This would leave your face open for a couple short elbows or your neck for a guillotine while the guy squats against the cage. The other option is a drop or a trip, and that can leave you out of position if you fail to end up top. Easier to just pin him against the cage and knee him in the leg or butt him with your shoulder or something.
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Elmo Oxygen posted:Yeah, that was what I was guessing. A big part of the reasons for why these countries are so strong at wrestling is that the sport is such a revered and popular tradition there so I'm pretty sure they take care of those wrestlers good, to the extent that there aren't that many incentives to risk their reputations in a somewhat unfamiliar sport.
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Buvaisar Saitiev sounds like a swell guywikipedia posted:Saitiev placed ninth at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, Australia after being upset by American Brandon Slay. Slay was eventually awarded the gold medal at 76 kg.
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colonel_korn posted:Buvaisar Saitiev sounds like a swell guy Wrestlers are wrestlers regardless of nationality
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Paul Pot posted:The last TUF reminded me to ask a thing: How come when two equally weak/mediocre wrestlers fight and one has double underhooks against the cage we hardly ever see bear hug takedowns...Fitch pulls this off a lot and he's not an elite wrestler. It takes a lot of strength to pull that off and land in the position you want to. Fitch is an expert at Laying On Dudes for entire fights, but mediocre wrestlers often land in bad positions that actually put them at a disadvantage.
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Vegard posted:Megumi, Minowa, Funaki, Cortxbomb. shoot wrestling and by extension shooto is supposed to incorporate catch wrestling.
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