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Ah, over bearing fly-by-wire systems. yet another way of engineers putting too much faith in code/tech over trusting the pilot to fly the drat airplane. You know, because the guy doing the coding is obviously less likely to make mistakes. god drat boffins.
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If the AF A330 was entering a storm, wouldn't the turbulence be intense? Even if the pilots knew the airspeed indicator(s) failed, how could they have any time or power to do anything short of catching a glimpse of the primary instruments in that kind of turbulence? Let alone maintaining 5% nose up pitch with 85% power. I think the amount of turbulence played a huge role in the crash. Ive been in a cockpit trying to maintain wings level during wake turbulence and that was a challenge to see the attitude indicator in a 172.
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I've found that sometimes it's nicer not to be able too having seen an altimeter unwind a few hundred feet in a couple of seconds. I near enough shat.
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I haven't watched that Nova documentary yet, but my manager was talking about it the other day. He said their weather radar showed bad weather, but they thought it was ok behind it only to encounter more severe weather or something like that. As in a lot of crashes, it seems to be a perfect combination of all the wrong things to happen all at once. Side note, I used to do contract maintenance on Virgin America's A320/319s. Last fall they'd bought a whole bunch from some airline in the Middle East. One was departing after being in service some time and the pilots noticed faults in the airspeed. The mechanics worked on it for some time and when they opened up the pitot system they found sand all throughout it. It took some time to get new parts and all those planes went under heavy scrutinizing.
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Do modern airliner avionics not use GPS? Even if you're in a storm and the pitot-tube based airspeed indicators fail, the GPS is going to tell you your speed and direction.
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Nothus posted:Do modern airliner avionics not use GPS? Even if you're in a storm and the pitot-tube based airspeed indicators fail, the GPS is going to tell you your speed and direction. GPS can tell you your groundspeed, but not your airspeed. The difference depends on the local windspeed, which you can't measure with GPS. You groundspeed is important for navigation, as it tells you when you're going to reach your destination, but you need the airspeed to make sure you don't exceed the safe airspeed for the particular conditions. Fixed wing airplanes will stall if they fall below a particular airspeed (more accurately if the wings have too high an angle of attack), or indeed too high an airspeed (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_corner_%28aviation%29). At the high speeds and altitudes airliners fly at, this safe range of speeds can be very narrow, hence the need for reliable measurement of airspeed.
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Apr 8, 2011 14:52
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Spotted in the skies near Andersonville, GA... Why is #3 smoking? (click for massive) 
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Apr 8, 2011 19:54
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thats very strange - i thought "FIFI" was the only flying b29...
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Apr 8, 2011 20:16
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edit: nevermind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wORtl7YfOX4 Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 8, 2011 |
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Apr 8, 2011 20:21
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It's got Fifi's tail number... e: durr, and control horns. joat mon fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 8, 2011 |
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Apr 8, 2011 20:36
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Boomerjinks posted:edit: nevermind That's the old version. The current plane now spans 20' and is powered by 4 150cc flat twin engines. Performance is decidedly non-scale.    BTW - all photos were taken from the ground - including the initial one. I'm having a print framed, and will be presenting it to Mac when I come up for the next fly-in.
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Apr 8, 2011 23:59
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buttcrackmenace posted:That's the old version. The current plane now spans 20' and is powered by 4 150cc flat twin engines. Performance is decidedly non-scale. certainly had me fooled - that thing is awesome... what a great shot. edit: and clever too... you scale operators have this down
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Apr 9, 2011 02:42
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LobsterboyX posted:thats very strange - i thought "FIFI" was the only flying b29... It is at my local airport this weekend! KIFP! I am planing on going up Sunday for a ride. Pic's if I do for sure! edit: gently caress that. it is $600 and rides are only offered in the DFW area. It is $1200 if you want to ride upfront! gigButt fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Apr 9, 2011 |
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Apr 9, 2011 07:44
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I bet you can still go check it out... even before i flew in the b17 they would let anyone in to see it up close and climb around in it.
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gigButt posted:It is at my local airport this weekend! KIFP! I am planing on going up Sunday for a ride. Pic's if I do for sure! Go up and see it, they'll still let you take pics and check the plane out. She's a wonderful old bird, tell her I said hi if you go. e- and don't forget to donate!
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gigButt posted:It is at my local airport this weekend! KIFP! I am planing on going up Sunday for a ride. Pic's if I do for sure! I took a ride in that SNJ once. It was awesome, but I was really disappointed he wouldn't do any aerobatic maneuvers 
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I still plan on going to the airport on Sunday. Its has been really cold here the past few days, 55 degrees  and windy. Hopefully Sunday will be nice. Rides in the P-51 at $1000 too. I dislike money.
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ack! posted:
That's pretty nuts. What type of AMT are you? I do contract maintenance as well, mostly on A319/320s
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anyone know of any operating DC3/C47 in so cal that offers rides?
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LobsterboyX posted:anyone know of any operating DC3/C47 in so cal that offers rides? Edit: hrm, this looks like it's historical operators, not modern ones. There are still something like 300 operating, many of which still in commercial passenger service, so there are rides to be had somewhere. grover fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 9, 2011 |
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Apr 9, 2011 22:12
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gigButt posted:It is at my local airport this weekend! KIFP! I am planing on going up Sunday for a ride. Pic's if I do for sure! I flight instruct out of KTUS, and Fifi has been sitting on the ramp here today, probably because of weather. I'm guessing that since a B-29 is hellishly expensive to insure, the CAF doesn't fly it anywhere near icing or hard IFR conditions, both of which are covering a good chunk of Arizona today...
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I think many of the remaining DC3s are flying around Africa. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there were some in alaska/canadian territories.
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cloudstrife2993 posted:I think many of the remaining DC3s are flying around Africa. We need to bring a few of those bitches back home.
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cloudstrife2993 posted:I think many of the remaining DC3s are flying around Africa. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there were some in alaska/canadian territories. There's a reality tv show called Ice Pilots on Canadian television about an airline that still operates C47s and other vintage aircraft (Curtiss Commandos!) in the Northwest Territories. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6elwdyx4GU http://www.buffaloairways.com/
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I saw one at the airport in Long Beach CA, a few months ago, I called the operaters, they fly freight to catalina, they have 3 of them - they said there is no way i can ride on it. guess i need to show them this... 
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LobsterboyX posted:I saw one at the airport in Long Beach CA, a few months ago, I called the operaters, they fly freight to catalina, they have 3 of them - they said there is no way i can ride on it. If they won't let you ride with that, they have no heart.
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Minto Took posted:If they won't let you ride with that, they have no heart. so then i suppose i have to get my pilots license and certs for twin engine.
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Went to the USS Intrepid Sea-Air-Space museum today and took some pics for anyone interested: http://www.flickr.com/photos/djcobol/sets/72157626464852276/ Saw a couple old guys arguing about whether or not "that big black plane" was a SR-71 or an A-12. Once that was settled, they started arguing again whether or not the A-12 was worthy of the "Blackbird" moniker.
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LobsterboyX posted:so then i suppose i have to get my pilots license and certs for twin engine. Plus a tailwheel endorsement, and a DC-3 type rating, since they weigh over 12,500lbs. If you're looking for a ride in a DC-3, I think there's a place in Texas that does them, and there are also outfits in California and Georgia that actually do training in them.
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DJCobol posted:Went to the USS Intrepid Sea-Air-Space museum today For some reason I am bothered by the fact that the A-12 isn't pointing the same direction as the carrier. That's a pretty good museum, though. The sub is also badass.
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DJCobol posted:Went to the USS Intrepid Sea-Air-Space museum today and took some pics for anyone interested:
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DJCobol posted:Went to the USS Intrepid Sea-Air-Space museum today and took some pics for anyone interested: That's a better discussion than the two old timers arguing about the F-14 being an air force asset like I saw at a show in '03. It was unbelievable to listen to, I felt bad for the guy that said it was just naval. grover posted:Do they have a Concord now, too? Yeah, it's on a barge next to the Intrepid  Supposedly, they are getting a shuttle, too.
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grover posted:Do they have a Concord now, too? Yep, had it for a few years now. That thing is cramped inside, even in first class.
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Those pics own man, especially the Tiger MiG. I need to get down there this year, despite living an hour from NYC I've never actually been on the Intrepid. Never saw the Statue of Liberty, either.
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VikingSkull posted:Those pics own man, especially the Tiger MiG. I need to get down there this year, despite living an hour from NYC I've never actually been on the Intrepid. Do it in the next month or so if you want to see the Concorde then. The guide said it will be closing for a while for maintenance and repairs.
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To hell with the Concorde, it doesn't have guns on it.
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DJCobol posted:Yep, had it for a few years now. That thing is cramped inside, even in first class. I think it would have been pretty tolerable for four hours, compared to eight hours for the same route.
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While "SR-71 Blackbird" is a name so cool it crashes the prom on a motorcycle and snatches the cheerleader from the football captain, there is something even cooler about it when it was utterly mega secret and referred to as "the article".
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This is a Dornier Do-17 fast bomber AKA "The Flying Pencil" It was designed in the 1930s as a 'freight aircraft' (because the Germans weren't allowed to build bombers  ) and was used for the first couple of years of WW2 as a front-line bomber before being withdrawn from the Luftwaffe in late 1941 and replaced by more modern designs. Some were used as glider tugs by the Germans, others were handed out to other Axis-aligned air forces who used them for a number of years before scrapping them. The last active Do017 was decommissioned by the Finnish Air Force in 1952, and there are none in private hands. So, essentially, no examples of this aircraft existed as all anywhere in the world.... Until now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997528 See, one was shot down in the summer of 1940 and made an emergency splash-down landing off the coast of Kent. Two of the crew died, two survived (and became POWs) and the plane itself flipped over and sank to the bottom where it landed in the middle of the Goodwin Sands sandbanks. Which then buried the wreck in sand, preserving it to a certain extent. The sands have shifted again recently, uncovering it and subsequently someone found it. So the Port of London Authority sent out a sonar boat last week to see how much of the wreck was left intact after all this time. The answer?  So now the RAF Museum want to raise it and are hoping to put in on display as the only surviving Do 17.
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Itzena posted:So now the RAF Museum want to raise it and are hoping to put in on display as the only surviving Do 17. That's not "surviving", that's raised from the dead! Hopefully they park it next to a DeHavilland Vampire.
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