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Come here Paul Kidby, come here so I can give you a big cuddly hug.ibroxmassive posted:He's sailing down the Styx to rescue Death, who in exchange will make Sam the God of Coppers and therefore immortal. Like he'd accept another loving promotion.
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I'm pretty sure Sam Vimes would accept Godhood only for the length of time necessary to go to Cor Celesti and arrest the lot. ...Holy poo poo I'd read that.
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Apr 14, 2011 01:45
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For those who can't get enough of the guy in person here he is talking about his disease and most of you have heard him say this stuff before but heck, there's no such thing as too much Pratchett. http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/04/13/3190827.htm He talks about his disease being somewhat physical rather than just memory, which I guess at least bodes well for continuing writing in the short term at least (does it? I'm not sure now that i read this back to myself). Poor guy here he is suffering and we're all omg when is the next book!? Guy can't catch a break! I'm hanging out for the next book though.
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Apr 14, 2011 02:39
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Nilbop posted:"What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?" it's the response that's amazing, though the line is damned good. SeanBeansShako posted:A young looking Sam Vimes. Time cannot hold back his fury! Do you honestly think Sam Vime's Fury can ever be contained? He did fight off a quasi-demonic thing of pure vengeance with nothing but his subconscious after all.
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Apr 14, 2011 03:17
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seaborgium posted:it's the response that's amazing, though the line is damned good. I can't find the response anywhere but I'll set you up for it with Death's appeal; Death posted:LORD, WE KNOW THERE IS NO GOOD ORDER EXCEPT THAT WHICH WE CREATE...
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Apr 14, 2011 03:25
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ConfusedUs posted:That hourglass is the most intriguing thing on the cover. It's pure speculation, but knowing Sam, he's out to save someone from an unjust Death. I hope you're right, because my first thought was that Vimes had in some way gotten hold of his own hourglass, and have to solve a crime before it runs out. And I hope I'm wrong, because what about Young Sam? 
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Apr 14, 2011 08:03
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I can totally see Vimes trying to arrest Blind Io/Death. Just as I can totally see Carrot persuading him to give them community service.
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Apr 14, 2011 08:49
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Staggy posted:I can totally see Vimes trying to arrest Blind Io/Death. Just as I can totally see Carrot persuading him to give them community service. And sentencing them to godding/harvesting souls as punishment.
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Apr 14, 2011 08:53
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Mr. Moon posted:Scar over his eye = post Night Watch. There is the slightest possibility he's back in Koom Valley, a place known for both Trolls and catastrophic flooding. Full-sized boats and/or chickens would've had to have been imported, of course.
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Apr 14, 2011 12:54
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Nilbop posted:I can't find the response anywhere but I'll set you up for it with Death's appeal; Yes. e: YES.
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Apr 14, 2011 13:10
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Iacen posted:And I hope I'm wrong, because what about Young Sam? The bells rang out six times and young Sam looked around hopefully. "Ga?" AHEM. WHERE'S MY COW? Young Sam clapped his hands together happily. IS THAT MY COW? NO, IT IS AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATION, IT GOES WITH EVERYTHING. EVENTUALLY. WHAT? FINE, IT GOES HRUUUGH! "Hugh! Buglit!"
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Apr 14, 2011 13:24
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I could live with that. I think Where's My Cow? is one of Pratchett's most adorable ideas.
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Apr 14, 2011 13:42
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Iacen posted:I could live with that. I think Where's My Cow? is one of Pratchett's most adorable ideas. You should buy a copy then.
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ThaGhettoJew posted:There is the slightest possibility he's back in Koom Valley, a place known for both Trolls and catastrophic flooding. Full-sized boats and/or chickens would've had to have been imported, of course. Bloody Koom Valley! I hope we get another appearince from Mr Shine.
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Apr 14, 2011 15:13
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SeanBeansShako posted:I hope we get another appearince from Mr Shine. Yeah, him diamond.
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Apr 14, 2011 15:31
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Flatscan posted:You should buy a copy then. I was kind of disappointed that this was a picture book of Vimes reading a picture book, rather than just the picture book. Still cool though and it still gets read to my kids, the unsigned copy anyway.
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Apr 14, 2011 15:39
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Mr. Moon posted:Scar over his eye = post Night Watch. My assumption was that it was a picture of Vimes piloting Leonard of Quirm's latest going-under-the-ocean-safely-in-an-enclosed-airtight-boat device.
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Apr 14, 2011 19:31
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mllaneza posted:Yeah, him diamond. I was so disappointed he wasn't a bigger part of that book, would love to see some more of him. Given the events in Thud! and how much Terry has played up Koom Valley in general and in particular with Vimes relationship with the Trolls and Dwarves, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was almost a direct follow up.
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Apr 14, 2011 19:55
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Yes. That's not even close to big enough, are you really trying?
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Good enough.
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Given the riverboat maybe he's heading to Genua? Also do any other Australian Goons have tickets to go see Terry speak at the Opera House on sunday?
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I'm re-reading bits of Discworld again at the moment. It's still awesome. I've jsut finished Thud, and I think it's one of my favorites. I've just done the Watch arc, but I couldn't find my copy of Fifth Elephant  My girlfriend is going to start reading Pratchett with the Death books just as soon as she finishes American Gods, which I also loaned her. We watched the TV adaption of Going Postal last night and she loved it, even after I explained that the books were much better. My mum reminds me strongly of Nanny Ogg, except without all the husbands. She used to love a drink, taught me dirty songs, is very 'inappropriate' around my friends and girlfriends, and occasionally imparts stunning wisdom. She's also extremely cheerful most of the time, even now she's got cancer. I can imagine Nanny reacting in pretty much the same way to the disease as mum did - "I'm not dead yet! Get me another drink!"
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AlphaDog posted:I'm re-reading bits of Discworld again at the moment. It's still awesome. I've jsut finished Thud, and I think it's one of my favorites. I've just done the Watch arc, but I couldn't find my copy of Fifth Elephant Going postal isn't bad for Sunday Evening fodder, apart from a few excrutiating scenes cough cough it was actually pretty decent, particularly with the casting. quote:My mum reminds me strongly of Nanny Ogg, except without all the husbands. She used to love a drink, taught me dirty songs, is very 'inappropriate' around my friends and girlfriends, and occasionally imparts stunning wisdom. She's also extremely cheerful most of the time, even now she's got cancer. I can imagine Nanny reacting in pretty much the same way to the disease as mum did - "I'm not dead yet! Get me another drink!" That sucks dude, I know a bunch of people in that situation, but your mum has got the best attitude to confront it and here's hoping it all goes well 
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Going by the size of the boat and the speed the drawing suggests the wheels are going at, it's almost certainly powered by that weird Device found at the end of Thud! which means the book is almost certainly going to be another Dwarves-as-Muslims metaphor, and if he's so keen to be going at speed that suggests the hourglass represents a time limit rather than the Death, plus he looks mighty pissed off and has a gremlin on him, and Taken came out a year or so ago so I am gonna be totally autistic and guess that the next plot involves sinister Dwarven mafia men have taken Young Sam/Lady Sybil as collateral to force Vimes to kill Carrot within some amount of time, except Vimes wigs the gently caress out and shanks some bitches up except for the bitches who defenceless, cause that'd be too far. Also the boat's probably made by Leonard Da Quirm, at Vetinari's behest, because you can't have a Vimes book without Vetinari. And hey, if I've guessed right it'll be dead impressive and if I haven't nobody'll remember. 
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jfjnpxmy posted:Dwarves-as-Muslims metaphor What? I've never heard about this one.
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Probably referring to the more in-depth look at dwarf religion and society in Fifth Elephant and Thud. Though whether they're a fantasy equivalent to Judaism, Islam or some hybrid is up for debate.
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Nilbop posted:Come here Paul Kidby, come here so I can give you a big cuddly hug. I like this, but I meant young Sam. It'd be the Vimesy thing to do, make him a copper who can curse the bastards in Cori Celesti in a lightning conductive breastplate.
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ibroxmassive posted:He's sailing down the Styx to rescue Death, who in exchange will make Sam the God of Coppers and therefore immortal. "Tell me," said Blind Io. "Is there a god of policemen?" "No, sir," said Carrot. "Coppers would be far too suspicious of anyone calling themselves a god of policemen to believe in one."
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Probably referring to the more in-depth look at dwarf religion and society in Fifth Elephant and Thud. Though whether they're a fantasy equivalent to Judaism, Islam or some hybrid is up for debate. I'm halfway through Fifth Elephant right now. How the dwarf community is described is definitely a parallel to immigrants in general, but I don't think it's specific enough to nail it down to any existing religion or ethnicity.
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John Dough posted:I'm halfway through Fifth Elephant right now. How the dwarf community is described is definitely a parallel to immigrants in general, but I don't think it's specific enough to nail it down to any existing religion or ethnicity. It's much more obvious in Thud. Have you read that yet?
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Dwarves and trolls represent minorities, that's all. Terry had his idea of dwarves in Ankh-Morpork down before 9/11 Changed Everything, muslim minorities were just a part of that.
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Apr 15, 2011 21:00
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Probably referring to the more in-depth look at dwarf religion and society in Fifth Elephant and Thud. Though whether they're a fantasy equivalent to Judaism, Islam or some hybrid is up for debate. Heck, maybe it's personal selection bias but I am an Orthodox Jew and I always thought the Dwarves were more of a nod in my direction. (Either the Dwarves or the Golems anyway) My Rabbi would definitely be Bashfullson though 
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The Dwarves definitely give off more of a religious-fundamentalist-of-any-stripe feeling than specifically Muslim stuff. Hell, what with all the Scottish cultural shibboleths that Pratchett adapted for them (Scone of Stone and all) I couldn't help but get a Free Presbyterian feeling from them.
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I kinda figured having them be a bunch of head-down-and-work-hard types who're segregated from the people around them but essentially nice folks, being noised up by the hateful rhetoric of a few fundamentalist radical clerics, who want all their women covered up, to have their own law in a land that is not their own, use the threat of an enemy state as a way of radicalising impressionable young moderates and are dead keen on declaring things not-Dwarf, was pretty much analogous to the UK Muslim population, who're mostly head-down-and-work-hard types who're segregated from the people around them but essentially nice folks, being noised up by the hateful rhetoric of a few fundamentalist radical clerics who want all their women covered up, to have their own law in a land that is not their own*, use the threat of an enemy state as a way of radicalising impressionable young moderates and are dead keen on declaring things haraam. Your mileage may vary. * Except not really because that's largely a bogeyman conjured up by the Daily Mail and The Sun, but whatevs.
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jfjnpxmy posted:I kinda figured having them be a bunch of head-down-and-work-hard types who're segregated from the people around them but essentially nice folks, being noised up by the hateful rhetoric of a few fundamentalist radical clerics, who want all their women covered up, to have their own law in a land that is not their own, use the threat of an enemy state as a way of radicalising impressionable young moderates and are dead keen on declaring things not-Dwarf, was pretty much analogous to the UK Muslim population, who're mostly head-down-and-work-hard types who're segregated from the people around them but essentially nice folks, being noised up by the hateful rhetoric of a few fundamentalist radical clerics who want all their women covered up, to have their own law in a land that is not their own*, use the threat of an enemy state as a way of radicalising impressionable young moderates and are dead keen on declaring things haraam. Your mileage may vary. Nilbop posted:Dwarves and trolls represent minorities, that's all. Terry had his idea of dwarves in Ankh-Morpork down before 9/11 Changed Everything, muslim minorities were just a part of that.
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jfjnpxmy posted:* Except not really because that's largely a bogeyman conjured up by the Daily Mail and The Sun, but whatevs. Not entirely inaccurate, though the Daily Mail and Sun have blown it out of proportion. http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts It's an interesting little article and worth a read. Anyway Nilbop probably hit it on the head, but it's always interesting to see how different people interpret a text.
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I thought racial/ethnic/religious minority immigrants were a thing in England well before 2001. 
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Doc Hawkins posted:I thought racial/ethnic/religious minority immigrants were a thing in England well before 2001. A few hundred years, yup. Limehouse in the East End of London in the latter half of the 19th Century was pretty indistinguishable from Shanghai.
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Dwarves can't be a fundy Islam/Christianity stereotype, because they don't even recognise gender. Their creation myths are literally on the Adam and Steve level. Maybe a dwarf couple is from different genders, but dwarves don't give a poo poo about it. No good fundy of any religious stripe would put up with that. I definitely see more of a generic culturally-different-immigrant-in-a-big-city approach than one based on mimicking any real-world culture beyond the needs of whichever terrible, awesome pun Pratchett's making at any one point in time.
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