WoG posted:

Dump the task killer. Android is smarter than that crap these days.

brc64 posted:

900ftjesus posted:

I agree with brc64, the screen on the Shift seems tiny after the Evo. Performance wise, the Shift is a bit faster.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Task killers are marginally useful as a bazooka solution for killing (& restarting) a bunch of tasks in the event that one of them has run amok and is eating CPU cycles due to a bug. The hope is that, by killing it, it will either not respawn, or respawn in a state that it doesn't eat CPU. Although finding the offending service and ending it permanently (if not needed) is a much better solution.

averox posted:

This is actually why I still keep a task killer handy. I haven't had issues since using CM7 but on Fresh and Sense I've have applications go haywire and required forced closings.

Kreeblah posted:

Does that have anything over the built-in task manager? Settings > Applications > Running services lets you see what you have running and the CPU time everything's used, plus you can kill things right there if something's gone haywire and is pegging your CPU.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Task killers are marginally useful as a bazooka solution for killing (& restarting) a bunch of tasks in the event that one of them has run amok and is eating CPU cycles due to a bug. The hope is that, by killing it, it will either not respawn, or respawn in a state that it doesn't eat CPU. Although finding the offending service and ending it permanently (if not needed) is a much better solution.

Task killers are not useful for RAM management, or even "fixing" memory leaks (which can happen in Java). A service leaking memory will not affect battery life. Nor will it really impact other apps. At some point it will leak too much memory and the OOM killer will take care of it. The only real problem is if it doesn't leak enough memory such that when the OOM killer goes around, it kills the "wrong" thing. But since task killers kill everything, that's not a better solution.

They're a horrible idea though. For example, the Epic comes with a built-in task killer (thanks Samsung!), and in particular with "level 1" and "level 2" RAM clearing. Level 1 is harmless, it kills the processes of otherwise inactive apps. Level 2 is harmful though, it kills every service, including core ones like the telephony stack. Most of the respawn right away, but apparently the respawning logic is slightly broken and enables a race condition, such that on the Epic the SMS ("isms") service often doesn't come back.

This means, on an Epic, fairly predictably SMSes fail to send and get stuck after doing a "level 2" RAM clear. So the trivial solution is "don't do a level 2 RAM clear", but folks on xda expect that since it's stock functionality (thanks Samsung!) that it must be safe to do. Even after it's explained to the in gross detail exactly what's going wrong, and why it's an unnecessary and bad idea in the first place, folks somehow believe it's a reasonable, if not required operation to be preformed with some frequency.

Seriously, don't use task killers. Way more of a headache than they're worth.

Kreeblah posted:

Does that have anything over the built-in task manager? Settings > Applications > Running services lets you see what you have running and the CPU time everything's used, plus you can kill things right there if something's gone haywire and is pegging your CPU.

mastershakeman posted:

Is there a limit on exchanges that can be made for new phones? My pre is effectively useless as of today, and my upgrade date is May 1. If I get a nexus S then, then 30 days later trade it for a evo shift, can i trade the shift 30 days later for an evo 3d which is what I really want (assuming it's out)?

mastershakeman posted:

Is there a limit on exchanges that can be made for new phones? My pre is effectively useless as of today, and my upgrade date is May 1. If I get a nexus S then, then 30 days later trade it for a evo shift, can i trade the shift 30 days later for an evo 3d which is what I really want (assuming it's out)?

td4guy posted:

I thought I'd avoid confusion by switching from SERO to SERO Premium on the first day of my billing cycle (March 17). Would anyone smarter than me be able to explain why I'm being charged for two months of service at once on my new bill? I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, but I'm not quite "getting it".

Old SERO bill:


New SERO Premium bill:

Jerk McJerkface posted:

When you change plans, you pay for the current month of service you are using, and then the next month of service ahead of time. Look at the old bill from March 20. You are paying for Feb 17-Mar 16. Now on the bill from April 20, you are paying for Mar 17-Apr 16 and Apr 17-May 17. So you are paying for two billing cycles.

td4guy posted:

So I won't get a May 20 bill at all?

mastershakeman posted:

Hm. My Palm Pre is getting even worse-in addition to only have a working data connection about 5% of the time, it's also losing the ability to send (and possibly receive) texts, with an error code of 2127 being texted to me by a sprint number. Of course, this is intermittent too. Is it worth bringing it to a store and seeing if they'll give me a new one based on this? I don't have TEP.

For some reason ,craigslist phones in Chicago are really expensive-used Pres are running around $100 because everyone's throwing in accessories, EVO postings are flooded with spam, and Shifts are around $300. I may just have to suffer until the first of May and go with the Nexus, it doesn't seem to make sense to deal with the hassle and no TEP on a used phone for.

averox posted:

I've got a question for your Sprint chaps.

My buddy from Philly is on my Sprint family plan and has moved out the the West Hollywood area. He gets incredibly poor reception to the point where our conversations are usually interrupted with "Hello? Hello? Hold on you're breaking up. Did you hear me? What was that?" and it's his primary contact number for job hunting. Do you guys think it's possible for him to get an Airave/Airvana for free? I'm not sure if the change in location would make customer service deny him or what have you not. Also for some reason he thinks if he calls and tells them he's in WeHo that Sprint will jack the bill up on him which I told him I was very sure that is not the case.

Duckman2008 posted:

Have him call the number in the OP (retentions) and they should give him a free airrave assuming he has no spending limit. It actually shouldn't affect him even if the Sprint map shows good coverage, I have seen scenarios like that and retentions doesn't seem to care. And finally, him living in a different address than his family is not a big deal either, that happens I lot. I've seen a family plan where they got one free Airrave to cover the home, and then the kid moved to college in a crap Sprint area so they gave a 2nd one for his place.

"d[-.- posted:

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How much data d you 4g people tend to use. I was pretty sure I was going to jump onto my sister's family plan at ATT once the new iPhone came out, but the 2 gig limit is worrying me more and more. Especially if the new iPhone has HSPA+, those 2 gigs will get used up pretty quickly. This is making me lean toward getting a 3D Evo, despite me not really liking Android as a platform. The monthly cost of each will be within $5 of each other, so pricing isn't really an issue. My main concern is that data usage for me is only going to go up, especially considering faster internet, more applications that use it, and higher quality streaming video. I really like Apple's hardware,and iOS just seems so much smoother. Any suggestions or comments to help me make a decision?

Oh, I also tend to thing that ATT is an evil company.

Alman posted:

Really your answer is going to change from person to person. I barely use 1GB a month, but I also don't use my phone for streaming video very often and it's connected to my wireless both at home and work, so there's not a lot of time when it's actually using data on the network. There is extra incentive to stay on Sprint if you've been on for a while because you'll get better offers and such the longer you're a customer. There's also the chance that the next generation of iPhone comes to Sprint, in which case all of your problems are solved. There really isn't an easy yes or no answer, it's just personal preference, but the rumor is that the next iPhone will be a world phone (both GSM and CDMA) which could mean it comes to Sprint.

"d[-.- posted:

b"]
How much data d you 4g people tend to use. I was pretty sure I was going to jump onto my sister's family plan at ATT once the new iPhone came out, but the 2 gig limit is worrying me more and more. Especially if the new iPhone has HSPA+, those 2 gigs will get used up pretty quickly. This is making me lean toward getting a 3D Evo, despite me not really liking Android as a platform. The monthly cost of each will be within $5 of each other, so pricing isn't really an issue. My main concern is that data usage for me is only going to go up, especially considering faster internet, more applications that use it, and higher quality streaming video. I really like Apple's hardware,and iOS just seems so much smoother. Any suggestions or comments to help me make a decision?

Oh, I also tend to thing that ATT is an evil company.

uapyro posted:

Would that only work on a family plan? I'm at my parents a good bit, and they have basically no signal at their place. Mine is just two phones in my name, not a family plan.

"d[-.- posted:

b"]
How much data d you 4g people tend to use. I was pretty sure I was going to jump onto my sister's family plan at ATT once the new iPhone came out, but the 2 gig limit is worrying me more and more. Especially if the new iPhone has HSPA+, those 2 gigs will get used up pretty quickly. This is making me lean toward getting a 3D Evo, despite me not really liking Android as a platform. The monthly cost of each will be within $5 of each other, so pricing isn't really an issue. My main concern is that data usage for me is only going to go up, especially considering faster internet, more applications that use it, and higher quality streaming video. I really like Apple's hardware,and iOS just seems so much smoother. Any suggestions or comments to help me make a decision?

Oh, I also tend to thing that ATT is an evil company.

quote:

This is 100% reproducable for me-

1. Go to 192.168.0.1 or whatever the IP is you've set for your Overdrive Pro.
2. Log in as an admin if you're not already.
3. Go to "Advanced Settings"
4. Click the "Router" tab.
5. Toggle UPNP from "Disable" to "Enable".
6. Hit save.

At this point the progress bar of my browser hangs, and you have to hit save at least twice to get the change to take. From there, power-cycling the device brings up the initial boot up screen that says the wireless SSID and password with 0 WiFi clients associated to it. From here, you're able to connect, but the Overdrive Pro screen (as well as the emulated screen in the browser) never change to update the amount of clients, show the connection timer, or anything else.

Repeating the same steps above, if you can get it to load, but toggling "Enable" to "Disable" on UPNP and rebooting the device restores functionality.

io_burn posted:

With all the SERO floating around here I have no clue if there are any actual Sprint engineers or support agents that lurk here, but UPNP on the Sierra Wireless Overdrive Pro seems to be completely broken. I posted on DSLReports about it- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25766588-Sprint-Sierra-Wireless-Overdrive-Pro-UPNP-issues-


This blows because I use Sprint 4G to play games via Xbox Live and without UPNP most things won't connect.

porksmash posted:

I'm looking to replace my Blackberry with an EVO Shift. My account is owned by my company and they didn't think that upgrading my phone was necessary to perform my job functions so I'll be purchasing the phone on my own. Since it'll probably be used, can I just call up Sprint and have them check if the ESN is clean and available and all that good stuff?

Duckman2008 posted:

Edit: Google Voice with Sprint Integration launches April 26th.

Technogeek posted:

Is there an official announcement anywhere visible to the public? I know a couple people who've been looking forward to this, and I want to have something to show them beyond "guy on message board".

Duckman2008 posted:

In all seriousness, what's wrong with Windows Phone 7 (meaning if you don't like Android but like the iPhone, Windows may be an option)?



Edit: Google Voice with Sprint Integration launches April 26th.

zeek40 posted:

You probably want to find someone local who has a 4g sprint phone to see if you can even get 4g where you live and work.

Someone said it a few pages back, and it's proven accurate in my limited experience in 4G cities (orlando and atlanta). Sprint's 4g coverage maps show places that you might be able to get a 4g signal if you're lucky, not places that you will be likely to get a 4g signal.

Duckman2008 posted:

The Overdrive Pro is pretty new, did you happen to get it within 30 days? The Novatel MiFi 4G just launched 3 days ago and if its anything like the MiFi 3G it should be waaaaay better than the Overdrive (which had a lot of hardware problems.