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Crustashio posted:Autoblog posted a few shots of what they call the FR-S, but the comments point out that those are subaru wheels on it. The Subaru wheels you mention are just Oz wheels, really...
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# ? May 16, 2011 21:37 |
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Oh well, either way it looks surprisingly good camoed. Not as over the top as the concept.
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# ? May 16, 2011 21:53 |
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CornHolio posted:I saw my first new Focus today. Front looks great, interior looks great, but I saw it first from the rear and thought it was a new Hyundai. In general, I have found that car reviews seem to glowingly praise the exterior styling of the new Focus. In addition, they call the Cruze's styling decent but boring. I personally feel the opposite...I think the Cruze looks grown-up, and that the exterior as a whole seems to fit together and make sense to my eyes. Too many elements of the Focus seem mishmash-y to me, especially the lower front end and the taillights. Maybe I'm just getting too old for the Focus's target audience, but I much prefer the understated Cruze.
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# ? May 16, 2011 22:14 |
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Cream_Filling posted:They just announced a 1.6L 208 hp turbo version of the Veloster is coming later. 208 hp in a car that weighs between 2584 and 2657 pounds in NA trim sounds pretty drat good, actually, with power to weight comparable if not superior to the Scirocco. 12.5 lb/hp. They even have a six-speed Dual-Clutch Transmission available in the Hyundai, too, in addition to a six-speed manual. So they have a turbo Sonata and the Veloster will also have a turbo option, all they need now is a turbo Elantra. The new accent is also getting a refresh + same 1.6L as the Veloster: $15,000 gets you a 6-speed manual, AC, XM, power windows. Not really worth it, when you can get the Elantra for $2k more. At least it's less embarrassing to rent...
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# ? May 17, 2011 00:27 |
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Morphix posted:/\/\ And they promptly went out of business haha Nope, not franchised. Still run by the same family, they had to locate suppliers for everything in the area that met their standards and relocated a few store managers to take over these stores. Crustashio posted:Autoblog posted a few shots of what they call the FR-S, but the comments point out that those are subaru wheels on it. Jesus Christ this is shaping up to look at least somewhat decent. Too early to get my hopes up, but that might be the next car I buy.
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# ? May 17, 2011 05:34 |
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Was just bored and reading up on some cars. Despite weighing over 4000lbs and having more horsepower than any of the previous generation taurus SHOs, the 2013 2.0T taurus will be the most fuel efficient taurus they have ever built. Technology! Powershift fucked around with this message at 00:19 on May 18, 2011 |
# ? May 18, 2011 00:17 |
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Too bad it wont have the sweet blue interior like the early Taurus.
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# ? May 18, 2011 02:20 |
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Looks like the S1 is getting closer to production: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/17/audi-s1-caught-testing-likes-wearing-a1-clothing/ (with regular A1 bodywork in the pictures) 270 hp and AWD sounds crazy and would probably make it faster than the 1M. I would have expected ~225 hp for the S1 (and then maybe a 270 hp RS1).
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# ? May 18, 2011 14:44 |
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eames posted:Looks like the S1 is getting closer to production: It's a shame we'll never see it on US shores. I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat if in fact it had the 270hp that Autoblog claims, no one else however is quoting that number for the regular S1. el topo posted:The Subaru wheels you mention are just Oz wheels, really... Actually if I'm not mistaken they're the older STI Spec C wheels which are made by Enkei. allonblack fucked around with this message at 14:59 on May 18, 2011 |
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Christobevii3 posted:Too bad it wont have the sweet blue interior like the early Taurus. Or maroon, my god those maroon interiors. I think they all had the same strange smell, too.
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# ? May 18, 2011 19:35 |
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Morphix posted:/\/\ And they promptly went out of business haha Hah. You'll be thrilled to know they actually opened locations in Arizona, Nevada, and Utah before hitting Texas. I had quite the moment when I drove by one while I was in Orem on business.
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# ? May 18, 2011 20:26 |
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Umm I don't know if this was brought up at all... partial laziness that I didn't want to wade around the previous posts.... But this dealer... http://www.shuanghuanofdesmoines.com/site/ Resides not to far from me. I need to go down and drive one of these cars. Looks like a smart car but at a price (I have been told) for around 8,000 bucks.
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# ? May 18, 2011 22:00 |
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Umm I don't know if this was brought up at all... partial laziness that I didn't want to wade around the previous posts.... Wtf? I'm so confused. How are they selling these legally? Not only from a copyright perspective but unless I've been out of the loop lately; those aren't even regulated for US use.
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# ? May 18, 2011 22:34 |
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So their lineup is basically a Smart Car ripoff and an X5 ripoff? That'll dispel all those nasty rumors about the Chinese car industry!
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# ? May 19, 2011 02:44 |
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Actually... this is a good read, I was searching out other things but take a look http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/05/the-chinese-are-coming-part-one-a-tale-of-two-nobles/ The SUV looks like an X5. This is me thinking out loud, but with Ford, BMW and other manufactures moving towards turbo's. Have we reached the pinnacle of cramming as much power and efficiency of normally aspirated engines? It makes me giddy to see more power with out sacrificing gas millage. edit: DOH! I can't do math. Yeah not excited about the prospect of a small diesel. BrokenKnucklez fucked around with this message at 03:41 on May 19, 2011 |
# ? May 19, 2011 02:48 |
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el topo posted:So their lineup is basically a Smart Car ripoff and an X5 ripoff? That'll dispel all those nasty rumors about the Chinese car industry! Not to mention that's is a Chinese vehicle the same size as a Smart. I wonder if I'd die from a gas fire or becoming a living projectile after driving that thing.
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# ? May 19, 2011 02:56 |
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BrokenKnucklez posted:What is even better is the prospect of a small turbo diesel. Why? Yes there are some amazing turbo diesels available now (like the one in an actual X5) but the one in the knock-off is terrible. All you have to do is look at the curb weight (1900kgs is 4188lbs) and the engine specs (68kw is 91hp, 202nm is 149ft/lbs)
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# ? May 19, 2011 03:00 |
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Powershift posted:Was just bored and reading up on some cars.
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# ? May 19, 2011 04:21 |
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dissss posted:Why? Wanna see some 'Ring times on this bitch.
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# ? May 19, 2011 04:25 |
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Revolvyerom posted:Autoblog disagrees, it's the same engine as the previous gen. Re-read what he said. The Taurus with the 2.0 EcoBoost 4 banger (not the SHO) will make more horsepower and get better mileage than any previous gen SHO. (i.e. Any SHO before the 2010) Q_res fucked around with this message at 04:37 on May 19, 2011 |
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Actually... this is a good read, I was searching out other things but take a look This is bizarre. The Gabus dealers are huge and reputable. I don't have a clue why they would want to make a move like this.
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# ? May 19, 2011 04:43 |
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angryhampster posted:This is bizarre. The Gabus dealers are huge and reputable. I don't have a clue why they would want to make a move like this. because if it succeeds and he'll be able to sell these fuckers for 4-5Gs a piece he won't be able to keep them on the lot. Scary times; I could totally see this screwing over the American motor industry.
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# ? May 19, 2011 06:02 |
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travisray2004 posted:because if it succeeds and he'll be able to sell these fuckers for 4-5Gs a piece he won't be able to keep them on the lot. Scary times; I could totally see this screwing over the American motor industry. I don't think so. I think the proportion of buyers who would want a 4-5k small car is still limited. It might hurt sales somewhat, but probably wouldn't revolutionize the industry.
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# ? May 19, 2011 06:19 |
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Oh yeah, The Truth About Cars. These Chinese Smart clones won't sell, by the way - most people aren't retarded enough to pay even $5K for a tiny, impractical car of questionable quality and with no dealer support.
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# ? May 19, 2011 16:44 |
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The only people who would even consider buying a Chinese car, I'm convinced, have never actually been in one. Even as a passenger, it's a truly frightening experience. I can't see how you'd go for a test drive and then say, "yep, this piece of poo poo is the car for me!" In Cuba, where Chinese cars are getting more and more common, people driving Lada 2102s that won't start without a push laugh at how lovely and unreliable Geelys are.
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# ? May 19, 2011 16:51 |
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After all their efforts in trying to get rotaries to be efficient, I guess Mazda did a number on plain old ICEs: http://jalopnik.com/5803609/mazdas-70-mpg-13+liter-gasoline-engine That poster pining for the days of the HF CRX has a new ride to look forward to.
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# ? May 19, 2011 21:26 |
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I was wondering when they were going to come out with the figures for the new SKYD and SKYG engines, but holy drat! Even if that's a liberal number and in real world is closer to 60, it is quite an achievement. So which engine will be stuffed in the ND miata?
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# ? May 20, 2011 04:15 |
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It pissed me off to no end that my Mazdaspeed Miata got <25 mpg when my 800 pounds heavier, slightly more power, and AWD Eclipse got similar mileage. Nice to see they're finally trying some technology from this century.
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# ? May 20, 2011 04:32 |
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The scary part is that the skyG engine runs 14:1 compression and requires premium gas. Eventually, somebody is going to put regular in, or just plain bad gas, and at 14:1 compression some bad things could happen.
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# ? May 20, 2011 04:41 |
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I'm sure they'll put lots of WARNING and DANGER stickers everywhere about CATASTROPHIC events happening, but it'll happen then a bunch of idiots will want to make a "recall" out of it, while the Mazda fans will call it a 'quirk' and common sense. "Oh I put 87 in there to save on gas moneys "
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# ? May 20, 2011 06:23 |
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Call me a pessimist but I really doubt that engine will more than double the fuel economy of a Mazda 2.
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# ? May 20, 2011 06:56 |
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Russian Bear posted:"Oh I put 87 in there to save on gas moneys " Just put a dummy meter that senses low octane gas and reports how "efficient" the engine is running. Something like: code:
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Powershift posted:The scary part is that the skyG engine runs 14:1 compression and requires premium gas. Eventually, somebody is going to put regular in, or just plain bad gas, and at 14:1 compression some bad things could happen. That is one hell of a compression, though! Do they expect piston cavities and multi-hole injection to be that effective? Here's Mazda's press release on it: Mazda posted:HIROSHIMA, Japan—Mazda Motor Corporation has announced that the "SKYACTIV-G 1.3" direct-injection 1.3-liter gasoline engine will be the first of its next-generation SKYACTIV technologies to be introduced to the market. Mazda will unveil the engine at the Automotive Engineering Exposition that will be held from May 18 through 20, 2011, at the Pacifico Yokohama convention center near Tokyo, Japan. grover fucked around with this message at 12:41 on May 20, 2011 |
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Mazda press release posted:Bore and stroke: 71.0mm x 82.0mm Isn't that awfully EDIT: vvvv I stand corrected. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 15:53 on May 20, 2011 |
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KozmoNaut posted:Isn't that awfully oversquare for a gas engine? It's awfully close to the 69.60mm × 82.00mm of my car's diesel engine. If that's 71mm bore and 82mm stroke then it's undersquare, and it's common for small 4-bangers to be undersquare. Most FWD 4 pots are. It makes the engine a more convenient shape for a FWD package and helps their low speed torque. A honda k24, for example is 87mm x 99mm and a toyota 1zz-fe is 79mm x 91.5mm. Those are both about the same ratio as the skyactiv.
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# ? May 20, 2011 15:10 |
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Won't the Miller cycle-ing reduce the stress of the 14.0:1 compression?
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# ? May 20, 2011 15:19 |
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grover posted:Don't all modern fuel-injected engines have safeguards to detect predetonation and prevent damage from occurring? Yes, most modern engines have knock sensors, and can adjust timing for bad fuel. With 14:1 compression and bad fuel or 87 octane fuel, the engine might have to shut itself down. 2ndclasscitizen posted:Won't the Miller cycle-ing reduce the stress of the 14.0:1 compression? It would if it is actually a 14:1 expansion ratio which in a miller would mean ~12:1 compression ratio Powershift fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 20, 2011 |
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Powershift posted:Yes, most modern engines have knock sensors, and can adjust timing for bad fuel. With 14:1 compression and bad fuel or 87 octane fuel, the engine might have to shut itself down. Even if it can run in some kind of limp mode any reduction from 62kw will make it hilariously slow. 62kw is bad enough already, they better put it in something light.
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# ? May 20, 2011 21:05 |
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Without a supercharger it's not a miller cycle, it's an atkinson cycle like the prius or fusion hybrid. They run 13:1 and 12.4:1 "compression" on reg gas, so i guess it might not be that much of an issue. If the knock sensor detects detonation, it'll probably keep the intake valve open longer effectively lowering the compression ratio, and lowering power output. At 83hp and 82ft/lbs, what mazda has esentially made here is an engine that sacrifices power and the ability to run regular gas to produce a really high fuel economy rating. The world's first gasoline powered diesel!(minus the torque)
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# ? May 20, 2011 21:28 |
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The number being quotes seems to be from the Japanese test cycle that usually gives much higher figures than other testy cycles - the Prius is rated for 90mpg, for example. They should call it "Gross MPG".
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