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Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

divio is hax posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the VPS hosting in the first post? I'm having difficulty understanding how the prices are determined. For example vps hosting like myhosting.com and vpsland.com are incredibly cheap - even when considering their windows server 2008 options... almost too cheap to be true. $20-30 prices for base packages. That is half what most everyone else charges. How are they getting away with this and what features would I be losing.

Edit: Does anyone know of a reputable VPS hosting review site or forum that specializes in this stuff?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overselling#Web_hosting

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/

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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

divio is hax posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the VPS hosting in the first post? I'm having difficulty understanding how the prices are determined. For example vps hosting like myhosting.com and vpsland.com are incredibly cheap - even when considering their windows server 2008 options... almost too cheap to be true. $20-30 prices for base packages. That is half what most everyone else charges. How are they getting away with this and what features would I be losing.

Overselling. Their packages for Linux Virtuozzo don't look THAT cheap. Apparently you can oversell Hyper-V?

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

divio is hax posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the VPS hosting in the first post? I'm having difficulty understanding how the prices are determined. For example vps hosting like myhosting.com and vpsland.com are incredibly cheap - even when considering their windows server 2008 options... almost too cheap to be true. $20-30 prices for base packages. That is half what most everyone else charges. How are they getting away with this and what features would I be losing.

Edit: Does anyone know of a reputable VPS hosting review site or forum that specializes in this stuff?

Of these 6 listed:
Virtual Private Hosting
http://www.slicehost.com
http://www.linode.com
http://www.asmallorange.com
http://www.prgmr.com
http://www.vpsnext.com
http://www.vpsland.com

I only haven't heard of vpsnext and vpsland.

asmallorange has been doing hosting for a long time, I don't know when they started doing VPS hosting but they have always had good reviews for shared stuff.

I have a Linode, have only had downtime once for routine maintenance or something (which I didn't notice anyways since I had my VPS offline at the moment) Linode and Slicehost have probably been doing this the longest and have terribly good reviews.

prgmr is run by some guy who does Xen stuff for fun, service is supposed to be good for what you are paying. Prices are so low because, as you can tell from the packages, you don't get much.


Ironically, it seems companies like Linode and Slicehost who charge the least are known as the most reliable.

If you want good reviews, webhostingtalk has some good ones, but only look for hosts that have been around 2+ years, there is a ton of people who advertise for some startup they are running off an ebay at home

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.

divio is hax posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the VPS hosting in the first post? I'm having difficulty understanding how the prices are determined. For example vps hosting like myhosting.com and vpsland.com are incredibly cheap - even when considering their windows server 2008 options... almost too cheap to be true. $20-30 prices for base packages. That is half what most everyone else charges. How are they getting away with this and what features would I be losing.

Edit: Does anyone know of a reputable VPS hosting review site or forum that specializes in this stuff?

FWIW I have a VPS through HostHop, which is also goon run (their thread is in the Mart), and have never had any problems.

https://www.hosthop.com

Sloan
Jul 26, 2001

I have a 2 Linodes and have been very happy.

Slicehost is now Rackspace. That can be good or bad depending on your point of view: http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=5210&page=1#Item_0

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
Use Linode, never turn back.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Sloan posted:

I have a 2 Linodes and have been very happy.

Slicehost is now Rackspace. That can be good or bad depending on your point of view: http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=5210&page=1#Item_0

Linode always seemed far less expensive than Slicehost, especially since they did that RAM upgrade a while back. Plus Linude always seemed to be on faster hardware. Slicehosts forum posts always made it seem like they went downhill after Rackspace bought them out a couple years back.

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

Bob Morales posted:

Linode always seemed far less expensive than Slicehost, especially since they did that RAM upgrade a while back. Plus Linude always seemed to be on faster hardware. Slicehosts forum posts always made it seem like they went downhill after Rackspace bought them out a couple years back.

Really, unless you have really specific needs, or a budget less than $20, Linode will probably always be the most bang for your buck until you need dedicated.

Comatoast
Aug 1, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
I don't think Hosthop is goon run. The account used to advertise the service is called "HostHop" and seems to only post in their one thread. Goon advertised is more like it.

I use their service and it is acceptable for the price.

divio is hax
Feb 5, 2005
hax hax
Ok, so does anyone have recommendations for windows hyper-v VPS providers? So far the cheapest seem like burst.net, vpsland, and easyhosting.com, but I'm open to suggestions.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

divio is hax posted:

Does anyone have any experience with the VPS hosting in the first post? I'm having difficulty understanding how the prices are determined. For example vps hosting like myhosting.com and vpsland.com are incredibly cheap - even when considering their windows server 2008 options... almost too cheap to be true. $20-30 prices for base packages. That is half what most everyone else charges. How are they getting away with this and what features would I be losing.

Edit: Does anyone know of a reputable VPS hosting review site or forum that specializes in this stuff?

Cheaper VPS services will be oversold more (higher amount of accounts per server) so the performance/reliability may be lower than more expensive VPS services.

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION
I'd like to install Diaspora on a web server and I'm wondering where I should go to get a hosting plan capable of supporting something like that. For reference, the requirements are listed here:
https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Installing-and-Running-Diaspora

Would I be able to accomplish all of that with a VPS? The sticking point is the sudo access that I'd need, not knowing a whole lot about VPS I'm not sure if they give you sudo access or not?

dvgrhl
Sep 30, 2004

Do you think you are dealing with a 4-year-old child to whom you can give some walnuts and chocolates and get gold from him?
Soiled Meat

Gnack posted:

I'd like to install Diaspora on a web server and I'm wondering where I should go to get a hosting plan capable of supporting something like that. For reference, the requirements are listed here:
https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Installing-and-Running-Diaspora

Would I be able to accomplish all of that with a VPS? The sticking point is the sudo access that I'd need, not knowing a whole lot about VPS I'm not sure if they give you sudo access or not?

Unless it's a managed VPS, you would have root access as everything is up to you. http://www.linode.com/index.cfm is an awesome VPS provider, and is great for people just starting out learning VPSs like it sounds like you are. It's $20/mo for their lowest VPS, but the ease with which you can wipe everything and start over in literally 2 minutes is well worth it. Plus the forums and irc channel are good for beginner advice, as is their Wiki.

DarkLotus
Sep 30, 2001

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I've seen this problem too much recently and it is really starting to bother me how helpless people think they are with regards to their domain names.

A hosting provider can sell domain names as a reseller through an accredited domain registrar. This does not make the hosting a provider an actual domain registrar.

It seems that a lot of people end up losing access to their domain because the hosting provider goes out of business or stops replying to customer emails. Maybe they think that by neglecting these requests, they can keep the domain and keep billing the customer.

The bottom line is, you own your domain. It doesn't matter where you register it, whether they are a Registrar or a reseller.

If you lose access to your domain, use the following WHO-Is search to determine who it is registered through, then contact that Registrar and request access to your domain name.

Reference: http://www.icann.org/en/faq/#regco

http://www.internic.net/whois.html

quote:

http://www.icann.org/en/faq/#transfer

"If you're having trouble transferring your domain from one registrar
to another, you should contact the registrar you want to transfer to
for assistance. If your preferred registrar is having any trouble
processing your transfer, your registrar can obtain assistance from
ICANN or the registry operator as appropriate."

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002
Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is going to be easy, and keeping this separate where possible is usually a nice thing to have.

Like Friday for example, Directnic had a DDOS attack on their site and DNS servers. One of my customers was using them for registrar and DNS management so his whole site was down, and he couldn't log in to get or update records.

DarkLotus
Sep 30, 2001

Lithium Hosting
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30-day no risk Free Trial &
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JHVH-1 posted:

Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is going to be easy, and keeping this separate where possible is usually a nice thing to have.

Like Friday for example, Directnic had a DDOS attack on their site and DNS servers. One of my customers was using them for registrar and DNS management so his whole site was down, and he couldn't log in to get or update records.

Agreed, it's not always best to keep all your eggs in one basket. That isn't what I was talking about. My post was just about recovering your domain if the company you bought it from won't work with you!

ahobday
Apr 19, 2007

This is more of a peeve than a real problem, but I had a question:

I've set up a "default" email address on my hosting account, so that if any email goes to that domain name (whatever@domain.com) then it gets forwarded to my actual email address.

When someone else sends email to the address, it comes through fine, but when I try to test it with my gmail account, it never comes through. It doesn't bounce, either.

Does this have something to do with the fact that the gmail address I'm sending the test from is the same address that the default email address is forwarding to?

This happened on my old hosting as well (Both using cPanel), so I figured it belonged in this thread.

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002
That might be the case. It might depend on how the mail server is set up as far as filtering etc. some of which you would have to look at the logs to see what is really going on.

Theres a delivery route tool in cpanel:
http://docs.cpanel.net/twiki/bin/view/AllDocumentation/CpanelDocs/DeliveryRoute
But I don't know if that would help as it its for mail leaving the server not coming to it.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



I'm looking for a low budget host for a class-project site. I'll be installing Wordpress and building a site that will almost assuredly not be getting a lot of traffic, but I might want to keep it going beyond the class.

Oh yeah, I'm not a pro with this, so something noob friendly would be nice. Any kind souls have some idea of a good host for me?

roweski
Feb 8, 2010
Fixed, it was russian spammers and a dodgey comment plugin that caused an infinite loope.

roweski fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Jun 16, 2011

micropenis
Jul 19, 2004
An '04 Mac user from the UK. What's worse?

Snowy posted:

I'm looking for a low budget host for a class-project site. I'll be installing Wordpress and building a site that will almost assuredly not be getting a lot of traffic, but I might want to keep it going beyond the class.

Oh yeah, I'm not a pro with this, so something noob friendly would be nice. Any kind souls have some idea of a good host for me?

Goon-run Lithium Hosting sounds perfect for you. They also have a free trial and Wordpress hosting off the bat in case you don't feel comfortable installing it yourself.

Don't let the word 'goon' put you off, they are a fantastic company and many other forum members would agree with me. I've got 5 or 6 sites running on their $10/year plan and haven't had any problems. Customer service is top-notch too.

</gushing>

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Thanks! I'm going to give Lithium a show now.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Why do dedicated servers generally come with hard drives smaller than you can even buy anymore? From what I've seen, they're just consumer SATA drives and you'd think for what decent dedicated boxes cost they could throw in a $60 1tb hard drive.

I could understand if they were enterprise quality drives but they generally are not.

ElCondemn
Aug 7, 2005


DNova posted:

Why do dedicated servers generally come with hard drives smaller than you can even buy anymore? From what I've seen, they're just consumer SATA drives and you'd think for what decent dedicated boxes cost they could throw in a $60 1tb hard drive.

I could understand if they were enterprise quality drives but they generally are not.

Depends who you go with, normally it's just because they want to charge you for more stuff. Also if you have a bigger hard drive you can serve and download more.

optikalus
Apr 17, 2008

DNova posted:

Why do dedicated servers generally come with hard drives smaller than you can even buy anymore? From what I've seen, they're just consumer SATA drives and you'd think for what decent dedicated boxes cost they could throw in a $60 1tb hard drive.

I could understand if they were enterprise quality drives but they generally are not.

Most dedicated servers are just whitebox builds. They have to keep updating the RAM and CPU to stay competitive, but a drive is a drive. Plus, this gives them a way to make more money through upgrades.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

I hope I'm in the right thread here. Can anybody tell me where the best place to buy a couple of domains from is? The ones I want are available :)
Does anyone have a recommendation for a really cheap host? My site won't generate a lot of traffic as it's just a portfolio site, but it needs to be relatively reliable.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

A5H posted:

I hope I'm in the right thread here. Can anybody tell me where the best place to buy a couple of domains from is? The ones I want are available :)
Does anyone have a recommendation for a really cheap host? My site won't generate a lot of traffic as it's just a portfolio site, but it needs to be relatively reliable.
I get mine from http://www.hover.com

3spades
Mar 20, 2003

37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!

Customer: In a row?

DNova posted:

Why do dedicated servers generally come with hard drives smaller than you can even buy anymore? From what I've seen, they're just consumer SATA drives and you'd think for what decent dedicated boxes cost they could throw in a $60 1tb hard drive.

I could understand if they were enterprise quality drives but they generally are not.

There is no reason to throw away the 4x'20 pack of 320gb's you bought in bulk just because 1tb drives now cost $60/each.

Once they run out of inventory they'll then buy 20 packs of 1tbs and you will ask why no 3tbs.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

less than three posted:

I get mine from http://www.hover.com

So if I buy the domain from these guys, I can then host the actual site anywhere I want?

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
I use gandi.net.

Yes, just change nameservers/point A/AAAA records

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

A5H posted:

So if I buy the domain from these guys, I can then host the actual site anywhere I want?
Yep.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Ah this is really difficult. All I want is a domain that I can aim at a blog page. If I want to have email@myaddress I have to pay extra for that?
What happens when my year runs out? Does the price go up etc if I want to keep it?

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
email@myaddress = https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/domain/new

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Biowarfare posted:

email@myaddress = https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/domain/new

Oh wow google sell domains too! Any downside to buying with them?

E: Thank you :)

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.
http://blog.linode.com/2011/06/16/linode-turns-8-disk-space-25/

Linode increased everyone's disk space by 25%! Just resized my main disk image to add another 4gb. Gotta love Linode!

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

A5H posted:

Oh wow google sell domains too! Any downside to buying with them?

E: Thank you :)

don't register your domains at a host, don't host at a registrar

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.

Biowarfare posted:

don't register your domains at a host, don't host at a registrar

This is good advice. Best practice is to keep the two segragated.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

eightysixed posted:

This is good advice. Best practice is to keep the two segragated.

So buy my domain from google and then host somewhere else? Then still use the google email setup on the domain or...?
Sorry I suck so hard at this!

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
Buy your domain at name/hover/gandi/moniker or something (not godaddy ever)
Host at lithium(?), email at gapps

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Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Don't buy your domain from google. They are a GoDaddy/eNom reseller and have miserable customer service.

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