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demolition rickshaw posted:Kill me. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32907 This is the first time I've not recoiled in disgust looking at Chaykin's work. I have to admit that with decent inks and colors Chaykin's stuff is tolerable.
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Jun 22, 2011 17:27
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demolition rickshaw posted:Kill me. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32907 Jesus Christ that is horrible.
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Steve. Motherfucking. Ditko. To me it's almost criminal how obscure Ditko is compared to his early Marvel contemporaries. Lee and Kirby are household names, but Ditko gets a lot more blank stares, even though he designed Marvel's most popular superhero and plotted out and drew some of Spidey's most memorable stories. That's Eternity up there, a creation of Ditko's for the Dr. Strange book. To me the design is as iconic, larger than life and awe-inspiring as Kirby's amazing Galactus, and he always framed the panels to convey the importance of the character. I mean the guy is literally the entire universe personified, and look how awesome he is. Look at how awesome the composition is there.  These 3 panels of the Scorpion's first story are more iconic and interesting to me than anything anyone else has ever done with the character. The text plays a part there but look at the dramatic buildup of the panels, getting closer and closer to a truly chilling inhuman face.  From the same issue. I genuinely have yet to see anyone in comics who could match the expressiveness of Ditko's characters. They all seemed so vulnerable and lost, and their exaggerated motions and detailed, heavily-lined faces created a feeling that reminds me most of german expressionism. It exposed something naked and human in them that triggers immediate empathy, a sense of knowing exactly how they feel. A lot of his best work, visually is this type of "mask of sanity crumbling" scene, and again his sense of visual progression served to heighten the drama as his expressive art made us feel the mounting desperation of the characters. Lastly, some of my all-time favorite Ditko art comes from his Mr. A era. While the narration and dialogue tended to veer into the manifesto style of gigantic walls of text, and the opinions expressed within were often shockingly extreme or simply impossible to follow, the visual experimentation used to convey Ditko's personal worldview is by far some of his most fascinating and technically proficient work. I mean, what can you add to a spread like this?  In short, I love Ditko, and you should too.
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Jun 22, 2011 22:48
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Gene Colan died and here is his classic Iron Man, however basically any of his art can go here. 
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Jun 24, 2011 07:33
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Wow, Newsarama's article says that he worked on Jughead's Time Police. Too bad when I was 7 and had a 3-issue subscription I didn't care - but I recall that being a better-than-normal Archie book with good artwork. At least he went at a good age I guess.
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Jun 24, 2011 16:36
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Marcos. loving. Martin. I cannot wait for Daredevil.
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Jun 25, 2011 19:31
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Heh, apparently Murdock has Booty Sonar based on that image. Martin is simply tremendous. His panel layouts, the sense of motion he conveys, everything. I may be mis-remembering, but when he was working on Amazing Spider-Man, I swear the letters column was full of people trashing his art, and my mind was boggled. They had to be 12 year old Greg Land fanatics whose tastes hadn't matured yet, at least that's what I tell myself. Another reason I pretty well stay on SA for my comic discussion. Here's a few things I pulled from google image search: These 4 are from Amazing Spider-Man 655 First the cover:  And some interior work:    That final one is so simple, yet amazingly effective. I better stop before I post that full issue, I love it. This next one I don't have a source for. Possibly Captain America 50? I know he worked on that. Based on the page I found it on, it sounds like someone removed text from the page also:  Edit: VVV Thanks Waterhaul. And the cover you posted is one of my favorites, can't believe I left it out. Madrox fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jun 25, 2011 |
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Jun 25, 2011 20:19
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EDIT: Now that you have content, now so will I.Madrox posted:These 4 are from Amazing Spider-Man 655 This spread is so amazing I want to get this issue, even though I have no interest in Spider-Man. IUG fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jun 25, 2011 |
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Jun 25, 2011 20:30
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Madrox posted:Heh, apparently Murdock has Booty Sonar based on that image. Thumbnail code is just [*TIMG]url[*/TIMG] minus the * And a little more Martin for good measure. 
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It's really to his credit that I recognize almost every dead person on that two-page spread, even though only a few are named. If that spread had been done by, say, John Romita Jr.(though he's a great artist in his own right), I'd have no idea who any of them are supposed to be except the ones with obvious visual cues like Kaine and the masked ones.
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Jun 25, 2011 22:23
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Lurdiak posted:It's really to his credit that I recognize almost every dead person on that two-page spread, even though only a few are named. If that spread had been done by, say, John Romita Jr.(though he's a great artist in his own right), I'd have no idea who any of them are supposed to be except the ones with obvious visual cues like Kaine and the masked ones. Somehow people drawing nothing but heads manage to draw the same head anyway, like the Doonesbury guy. For a while I thought the entire comic was one guy arguing with his multiple personalities.
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I absolutely love Ryan Bodenheim's artwork. Very detailed and clean. Unfortunately I haven't seen much of his work around. I'm guessing it takes him a while to draw his stuff. Red Mass For Mars #1   Halcyon #1    Superman and Batman from his DeviantArt Page (I love this image)  Lots of cool stuff on his DeviantArt page. Such as this hilarious Cable drawing.
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Jun 26, 2011 00:55
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Quantify! posted:It's shocking how few cartoonists can actually do a unique and recognizable face because it's really the only important thing in the comic. How many short-form comics reduce most of the panel to just talking heads? You can get away with a lot of "cheats" if you draw recognizable people. See also Steve Dillon
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Jun 26, 2011 01:00
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Deadpool posted:I absolutely love Ryan Bodenheim's artwork. Very detailed and clean.
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Jun 26, 2011 02:38
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I loved Martin's work on that Dr. Strange mini a few years back.
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Jun 26, 2011 16:46
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Quantify! posted:It's shocking how few cartoonists can actually do a unique and recognizable face because it's really the only important thing in the comic. How many short-form comics reduce most of the panel to just talking heads? You can get away with a lot of "cheats" if you draw recognizable people. Shortfall of the medium I'd guess. The hero were given bright recognizable outfits to make them recognizable, so developing a definitive facial look (outside of hair style, eye color, or facial hair) never really happened. Even someone as Iconic as Superman can be described as black hair, curl, blue eyes. (Large jaw seems optional)
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Jonny Nox posted:Shortfall of the medium I'd guess. The hero were given bright recognizable outfits to make them recognizable, so developing a definitive facial look (outside of hair style, eye color, or facial hair) never really happened. Even someone as Iconic as Superman can be described as black hair, curl, blue eyes. (Large jaw seems optional) Of course, there's always more clues. Bruce would have a tendency to smirk more, Clark would look alarmed more. But only the good artists use the clues. The bad ones draw the same guy and ignore the little things, so you end up with books where you're having to learn character identities from dialogue - sometimes a difficult task when you have changing artists and a story that doesn't always reintroduce a character every issue. In any case, nobody was doing really top-notch anatomy or faces early on in comics. It took a long time before cartoonists really started to get into that. But it's not an excuse to continue those behaviors today. If you can't draw a person or a face, you shouldn't be making a living drawing those things.
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Fantabulero posted:Marcos. loving. Martin. Using my superpower to check out babes.  That is a really interesting way of showing off his powers though, I like it. Deadpool posted:I absolutely love Ryan Bodenheim's artwork. Very detailed and clean. Unfortunately I haven't seen much of his work around. I'm guessing it takes him a while to draw his stuff. Fantastic series, even if it did take over a year to complete. You left out my favourite part though, it co-starred Paul Giamatti.  Speaking of Hickman though, while I wouldn't call him the best of artists (his faces are a bit rough) I really do enjoy his chaotic style:  From the first issue of Pax Romana.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:I loved Martin's work on that Dr. Strange mini a few years back. I know this wasn't what you were talking about, but it made me think of the (in my opinion) underrated Strange Mini with art by Emma Rios. Pretty sure she hasn't been posted yet.    This last one is from the Osborn mini, and it's huge. But I love the top panel, you can tell the guy is hitting fast, there's no question of the action here. And the grittiness in the bottom panels works perfectly.  A lot of it is in the colors, but I love the simplistic yet with detail look. Action looks like action, faces are usually unique (though she seems to have a lot of large fat noses but I like em) and consistency between panels. Edit: Also, her women are usually more realistic looking though still with the super-heroine physique. Leper Residue fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jun 28, 2011 |
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Jun 28, 2011 01:47
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I too love still frames of anime.
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Madrox, thanks for the tip on Martin. I'm not super into Spider-Man or DD (just have a handful of trades of each), but that panelling is so incredible I've got to hunt down and buy some of his work. Do you have an issue # or date on the DD issue with that spread?
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Lurdiak posted:It's really to his credit that I recognize almost every dead person on that two-page spread, even though only a few are named. If that spread had been done by, say, John Romita Jr.(though he's a great artist in his own right), I'd have no idea who any of them are supposed to be except the ones with obvious visual cues like Kaine and the masked ones. In fairness to JRJr, a lot of his work is very functional, but he does draw some great stuff.  This is one of my all-time favourite Spider-Man covers and images.
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ChuckDHead posted:In fairness to JRJr, a lot of his work is very functional, but he does draw some great stuff. My only real problem with Romita, Jr., is that all the men he draws look like they just had their noses broken. Which, now that I think about it, makes sense in a superhero book.
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My only problem with JRJr is that he's not referred to as Jazzy John Romita Junior. Why isn't jazziness hereditary, its just not fair?
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whorootbeerdatbe posted:My only real problem with Romita, Jr., is that all the men he draws look like they just had their noses broken. Which, now that I think about it, makes sense in a superhero book. Oddly enough my problem with JRjr is his women. Avengers #1:  Are they making fishlips? Did they just have reconstructive surgery to fix their Joker smile? Are they sucking on a sour ball? I know he's trying to illustrate prominant cheekbones on attractive women, but they all look emaciated.  Holy poo poo, someone get Spider-Woman a sandwich!
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I hate Bendis for that OMG bit.
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Heathen posted:
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Rhyno posted:I hate Bendis for that OMG bit. Teen girls actually use that term irl.
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Happy Hippo posted:Teen girls actually use that term irl.  Humanity is doomed. Our 'futures' are too loving retarded to function.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:
Oh like you've never done something retarded/annoying as a teenager.
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Happy Hippo posted:Teen girls actually use that term irl.
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Happy Hippo posted:Teen girls actually use that term irl. Some of my guy friends say LoL. They're about 18-19. Yeah.
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Happy Hippo posted:Teen girls actually use that term irl. Retarded ones maybe, not girls as intelligent as Hawkeye is portrayed.
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Rhyno posted:Retarded ones maybe, not girls as intelligent as Hawkeye is portrayed. Why are you so fired up over a little harmless teenage slang? This is 2011, the internet is becoming pervasive, you should expect a little code switching as people spend more of their lives online.
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Dude. Using abbreviations in real life means you are a piece of garbage. I mean your argument makes sense if it's "well yea horrible people are gonna say stupid things in real life because the internet is so big" but not if it's "the internet is so big that it's okay for horrible people to say stupid things". Teenagers who say internet abbreviations in real life suck and i hope they die.
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Folks gettin' mad about kids on their lawn itt.
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fritz posted:Why are you so fired up over a little harmless teenage slang? This is 2011, the internet is becoming pervasive, you should expect a little code switching as people spend more of their lives online. It just shows how Bendis is falling out of touch. Sure his slang was pretty good back when USM started but now he's going down the same road every other old man writer has walked.
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Rhyno posted:It just shows how Bendis is falling out of touch. Sure his slang was pretty good back when USM started but now he's going down the same road every other old man writer has walked. Uh, not really. He had a term teenagers use come out of the mouth of a teenager. The argument that she wouldn't have said it might hold some weight, but saying that no teenager would say that is just not true.
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