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YJT posted:So it turns out your countryman is in fact a Mako creature made by Hojo, who knew! It's very, very, very hard to offend me with stereotypes, but I'd say Blanka takes the cake. Yoshi Ono literally apologized for him since the reason Blanka is green is because there's a forest in Brazil, and that's all he knew about the country. Elephantgun posted:Oh god, I'm getting flashbacks of every 2004 message board signature. Yeah, his "descent" into madness really is the weakest script writing in the flashback, dare I even say the game, to me. The premise is acceptable - it makes sense that the dude found out he was produced in a lab and freaks out. The execution was pretty bad. Pesky Splinter posted:We'll be good Awesome, I added it to the front page
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The best thing about the "I'm going to see my mother" moment is that up until he says that, the music has just been a loop of the bell and bassline. Once Sephiroth says that line though, the choir comes in and shocks the player. It's a very, very effective trick.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:11 |
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Elentor posted:It's very, very, very hard to offend me with stereotypes, but I'd say Blanka takes the cake. Yoshi Ono literally apologized for him since the reason Blanka is green is because there's a forest in Brazil, and that's all he knew about the country. I hope you're saying that what the Capcom guy said is the offensive bit because I only meant that the thing looked like Blanka, not that I think Brazilians are all crazed Mako beasts. Would be pretty cool if you were though.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:16 |
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YJT posted:I hope you're saying that what the Capcom guy said is the offensive bit because I only meant that the thing looked like Blanka, not that I think Brazilians are all crazed Mako beasts. Would be pretty cool if you were though. Nah I'm not talking about you, don't worry.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:19 |
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I'll always remember how the music swells up when Sephiroth leaves to go set fire to the town, it's great. edit: oh wait, somebody already said this
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:22 |
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Elentor posted:It's very, very, very hard to offend me with stereotypes, but I'd say Blanka takes the cake. I think you need to bust out your English/Portuguese dictionary, because stereotypes does not mean what you think it means... As in, people do not stereotype Brazilians (or Brasilians) as green, electricly-charged apemen... at least, I have never heard this to be the case. A stereotype would be more along the lines of "all Brazilian MPs are corrupt" or "all Brazilian ladies spend their days tanning in micro bikinis."
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:24 |
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zenintrude posted:I think you need to bust out your English/Portuguese dictionary, because stereotypes does not mean what you think it means... I know perfectly well what stereotype means since the etymology of the word is the same as what we use. It was a stereotype back then that Brazilians lived in jungles. One of the first things I was asked when I started using the Internet was if the monkeys jumping around weren't too troublesome, and it was a serious question haha. I wasn't the only asked that, and I wasn't asked that only once. I think people only stopped assuming I lived in a swamp around 2002. So that's what the dude thought. "Brazil = jungle, I'm gonna make the character green so that he can blend with the environment" <- he literally thought that and apologized for it. Elentor fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jul 5, 2011 |
# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:32 |
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This is the first time I've paid attention to everything after they enter the Mako reactor since I beat the game. It has some really neat pieces of foreshadowing, and you don't think about them because of everything else that's going on. I'm glad I remembered what materia were. Haven't totally lost it yet.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:37 |
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Elentor posted:PHS means "Party Henshu System" which means "Party Editing System" which is pretty much a cellphone. The idea is that since the group splits, they use the cellphone to contact each other and change party members, hence party editing. They probably made that as a backronym -- before cell phones and e-mailing from cell phones (which they have instead of SMS/text messaging now), the big mobile device was a PHS, which stands for Personal Handyphone System. They were basically really crappy cell phones with limited range, but Japanese people would have been familiar with them, especially when FF7 came out.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:42 |
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Elentor posted:
I always thought it was more modern industrial in visual themes. It's got that mid 80's-90's feeling of upheaval going on around existing structures and services. And Jenova either made me really creeped out or possibly even cry when I was 7. Though from what comes later makes this scene very interesting on viewing a second time.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:47 |
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I haven't seen a lot of people misremember Tifa's character, but I think Aeris gets that treatment because her character is all over the place. She's the typical church girl, her design is based on that, but she also had no problem infiltrating a sex maniac's mansion (complete in alluring attire) and grossly overcharges people for flowers. Speaking as someone that hasn't played the game since I was about 10 though, it does bring a whole new dimension to her character that I never noticed. I do think people might be misinterpreting scenes, though. That part where she laughed about Cloud's "Jack of all trades" line just strikes me as typical anime girl amusement, instead of Aeris thinking something sexual.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 14:51 |
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There it is, folks-one of, if not the, most famous and defining moments of Playstation history. The music and visuals are extremely well done in this scene, and create a grand atmosphere of fearm, madness, and death. This is the defining moment for Sephiroth, the one thing that makes people forget that he's pretty much a cipher, someone for the audience to play "Insert Favorite Badass Here." Which is kind of sad, really, because I'm really interested in moments like this, where a character learns the Awful Truth, snaps, and begins destroying anything he sees. For these moments to work, however, we need to be invested in the character, and that's the reason why it doesn't quite work in hindsight here: lack of time getting to know Sephiroth's character, or faliure to utilize the time we have. Don't get me wrong, it's still pretty effective, and was, I'm sure, the fuel for many a child's nightmares.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 15:05 |
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I think this:elentor posted:Who even told him that her name is Jenova anyway? Couldn't they just, you know, make up a name that would not risk him running into terrible secrets like that? Valiantman posted:This also drove home the point that Hojo really seems to be an incompetent lunatic who for some reason has access to almost unlimited resources and gfor some reason is allowed to do his thing completely unchecked. What is it with the idea that mad scientists, being mad, *have* to try to create and/or culture some ungainly experiment with no outside control factors; that this leads to the better results without any inhibitors? I don't know if Shin-ra was trying to grow new ancients in a lab, re: Sephiroth, or if they intended for him to have the military application.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 15:56 |
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I think Sephiroth was the start of Hojo's crazy breeding bender. If an Ancient and a human can breed....THE SKY'S THE LIMIT! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:00 |
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TKMobile posted:
The thing about Jenova and Sephiroth is that Jenova isn't actually Sephiroth's biological mother; her cells were merely spliced with him. Hojo telling him that was either outright lying or crazy, delusional ranting. So it's not exactly an industrial secret, but it's definitely a troll that hosed with Sephiroth's head.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:10 |
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I dont think that bridge background is unique, isnt there another part of the game where you fight on a bridge? I think they just re-used that. E: With slightly different colors that is.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:13 |
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Demicol posted:I dont think that bridge background is unique, isnt there another part of the game where you fight on a bridge? I think they just re-used that. Over by Corel
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:19 |
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Hojo's just one of those 18th and 19th century scientists. You know, the ones that had loads of cash so they just did what ever the gently caress they wanted. Like, "Oh, I have two members of dying species here, let's try to mate them together and see what happens," or, "Let's inject some highly toxic chemicals into someone and see how long it takes them to die."
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:20 |
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Waffleman_ posted:I think Sephiroth was the start of Hojo's crazy breeding bender. The Hojo avatar is the best thing in the thread. We all need to thank Screaming Idiot for his services.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:20 |
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the amber trap posted:I thought the gunblade talk was a joke about how horrible gunblade arguments are. It was, but then Dauntasa posted. He didn't get that title for nothing. I admit, I opened this thread, saw the posts after mine, went and filtered for Elentor's posts. e: vvv he also invented flavor-infused vodkas in his spare time! Psion fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 5, 2011 |
# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:36 |
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I think Hojo later emigrated to found the scientific division of the Space Pirates. Infuse it with PHAZOOOON! Please nobody pick up that joke and use "breeding" and "Samus" in the same sentence, thanks.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:41 |
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I bet you that Hojo was going through Gast's old notes, trying to find the formula for Sephiroth, unaware that Gast had hidden the real notes away and filled his library with nonsense because he knew Hojo would try and steal his research. Sephiroth went insane from reading about all the absurd experiments Gast dreamed up for shits and giggles.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:49 |
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Tifa was doing a facepalm on the Mako fountain, due to the very bad joke. I will never understand this concept of being more native than another native who settled later, for centuries. So you designate the latter's identity to being a lower-class native compared to the older natives, never mind that there might be an older group who ends up being forgotten. Every human is still Cetra, where it matters.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 16:50 |
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The story of the Cetra doesn't even make sense. They were an itinerant race who would "migrate in, settle the Planet, then move on." Settle the Planet implies settlers, meaning setting up shop and living there. So why would the fact that some of them decided to stop migrating be so horrible? That sounds like what some of them ALWAYS do. Also, "settle the Planet" makes it sound like they were intergalactic gypsies looking for a "promised land." So either a) the "promised land" isn't on this Planet, and Sephiroth and Shinra going to look for it is a waste of time, or b) the promised land IS on this planet, in which case ALL the Cetra would've wanted to stay here, because it's what they've been looking for. Anyway, as other people have been saying, this scene is both done really well and really poorly. The use of music and camera angles to set the mood was done quite well. The execution of Sephiroth's descent into madness, however, feels pretty clumsy. He went from being apparently quite stable- even boringly dull, to suddenly being off-the-wall crazy.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:04 |
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Scalding Coffee posted:Tifa was doing a facepalm on the Mako fountain, due to the very bad joke. It always looked like she was touching the mako fountain to me. I assume mako behaves like mercury.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:18 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Settle the Planet I always took this to mean that they were settling it... like you'd settle an upset child. They'd travel around, "healing" the planet where needed, and then move on.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:19 |
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OatmealRaisin posted:It always looked like she was touching the mako fountain to me. I assume mako behaves like mercury. I didn't know Mercury made tits explode...
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:30 |
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I think "settle" is just an awkward translation here. What's going on is that the Cetra are a nomadic people, and some part of them decided to stop migrating. Most likely this is a parallel to our history: if you want to maintain a growing population, at a certain point you engage in agriculture, which prevents you from migrating and ties you to one spot. That's the beginning of civilization. The humans in the setting are descended from the people that stopped moving and built cities, and the ancients are descended from the tribes that continued to be nomads. As in the real world, modern life is not kind to the nomads. The reason for their weird powers is probably just that: they kept listening to the planet. Being nomadic means they're relying on the planet to bring them what they need, their numbers will be small, and never staying in one place means they won't exhaust the resources there. They're working the way the planet wants animals to work. Whereas the humans decided to control the planet instead; they planted their own crops and did all those things civilized people do, and in return they lost the relationship with the planet that they used to have.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:40 |
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You'd think Sephiroth, if he was brilliant PERHAPS TOO BRILLIANT, then there was no possible way for him to really be absolutely derived from Jenova in the same way as the egg monsters considering he looks relatively normal. I still don't understand the whole idea of infusing enough mako to make materia into people. Wouldn't that just form a crust of materia around the person? Like, I dunno. I could see Shinra wanting materia people statues or something, but I don't see how it work out like they wanted. e: Also, I echo the opinions of Sephiroth. I had a friend who thought (and probably still thinks) Sephiroth is literally the greatest villain ever written. I always felt like the other antagonists were much more effective! Each of the Turks are well written. Rufus, despite being sort of hammy, is an effective villain. Hojo is great. The Shinra corp is great. Even Jenova is pretty compelling. Saradiart fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jul 5, 2011 |
# ? Jul 5, 2011 17:44 |
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I always thought those mutant guys in the egg tanks were once normal SOLDIER members who got infused with loads of Mako and Jenova cells and this are the results and not that they were actually "produced" like Sephiroth.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 18:03 |
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Saradiart posted:e: Also, I echo the opinions of Sephiroth. I had a friend who thought (and probably still thinks) Sephiroth is literally the greatest villain ever written. I always felt like the other antagonists were much more effective! Each of the Turks are well written. Rufus, despite being sort of hammy, is an effective villain. Hojo is great. The Shinra corp is great. Even Jenova is pretty compelling. Yeah, the Turks are great, and they're way underused. I'd love to see Reno in a Dissidia game or something. e: vvv geez Hojo, way to be a dick. Distant Chicken fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jul 5, 2011 |
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 18:16 |
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gently caress the haters, that whole thingy is one of the best scenes of the game (shared by a couple of others). It's like they let some frothing Resident Evil designer loose from his cage to do whatever he wished. Out came nightmare fuel (Sepy tossing aside his boring/emo-attitude to go all batshit crazy is an improvement in my book) As for what kind of 'punk the game is, I'd almost lean towards Dieselpunk (except replace Diesel with lifejuice) meets cyberpunk. Can't say it got much to do with "steam"-anything. It sure creates a nice gritty atmosphere that sets it apart from most other (Final fantasy) games. I'm a sucker for "darker" background settings It creates some great contrast with the more upbeat parts of the game.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 18:37 |
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Psion posted:It was, but then Dauntasa posted. He didn't get that title for nothing. I admit, I opened this thread, saw the posts after mine, went and filtered for Elentor's posts.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:07 |
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Gunblade Discussion: Who loving cares. Video games. Really, it's a video game, since when has a video game made any sort of logical sense when compared to real life. You have plumbers that scale buildings by kicking walls repeatedly a robot that steals powers by blowing up other robots, guns that summon your inner psyche by shooting yourself in the skull, parasites that for some reason give you superpowers, and apparently cloaking and disguise devices were fully functioning and practical by the 1960s, and a glorified version of a vibroblade sends you people into a shitfit? Come on, now. Edit: Also, Hojo is a master troll, even if he doesn't know it.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:23 |
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Xander77 posted:Must continue thread-ruining bullshit
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:26 |
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Aeris's Guard Stick increases her vitality and spirit a little. The only others to give such stat boosts are her gimmicky materialess weapon and her ultimate weapon, which are still more defense boosts. All of Tifa's weapons that don't alter the damage formula increase her critical hit rate. Physical attacks actually have individual elements. Cloud's swords inflict Cut damage, Barret's guns deal Shoot while the Atomic Scissors are Punch, Tifa's gloves and Aeris's staves deal Hit damage, as do Red XIII's weapons except for two unique ones. Only one character has primarily Punch weapons, and Sephiroth's Masamune is Cut. These don't matter too much normally, Sahagins are the only enemy so far I can think of that have any real interaction with physical elements.
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:40 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Tifa's gloves and Aeris's staves deal Hit damage Do any of Tifa's gloves deal a different damage type? The claws I'm using now show a kind of slash animation when she hits, does that mean it's dealing cut damage?
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:46 |
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Count Bleck posted:Edit: Also, Hojo is a master troll, even if he doesn't know it. It's hard to say at this point in the game but I'd be interested to see whether people think Hojo knows he's a troll later in the game once you see more of him. there's one scene which completely seals the deal though, now that I think about it. Well, never mind!
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# ? Jul 5, 2011 19:48 |
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Elentor posted:I think this looks more like Akuma than Blanka. Elentor posted:
And Hojo is still my favorite part of this thread. Magic equals science. QED, motherfuckers.
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