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Oh god. This too. I should have stopped reading the Dark Tower series after Wolves of the Calla. At least with ASOIAF I know if it finishes (it won't) it will not be such a crappy dick punch of an ending. That stupid loving warning made me angry. Angrier than I have ever been at a book. And the last loving chapter?! I seriously felt like I had wasted my time with that series. Everything after Wizard and Glass I never enjoyed, but I kept going back to it like a battered housewife. I would tell myself it would go back to the way things were. The fantasy cowboy setting I had grown to love with The Gunslinger and The Waste Lands. The characters I had become attached to and empathized with in The Drawing of the Three. But it was not to be. Oh well, Winds of Winter will never come out and GRRM will spend all his time eating pizza through a straw, writing fan fiction about the NY Jets, not-blogging about how well Winds of Winter is coming along (and then getting upset 8 years from now when people are wondering why it is taking so loving long), and posting about how he loves hanging out with all of the underage actors on the TV show.
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kcr posted:At some point doesn't it just become a bit tiresome to come to the bad thread and tell people what is OK to post about? A) This isn't the bad thread. The bad thread(s) keep getting gassed as of late. This is the book is finally out goddamn lets talk about it thread B)I wasn't "telling" anyone what to do. I'm not a mod. I made a suggestion. You don't like the suggestion? Then ignore it. C) Profit.
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Jul 11, 2011 23:43
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Seriously guys: the book is good. I've only read like 3/4ths to 4/5ths of it, but it's been really good so far. Much better than AFFC. The Dany chapters sort of suck. I just don't give a gently caress about Mereen, and can't understand why she does give a gently caress. She's all about her "children" the freed slaves, but she fucks them over hard just to keep her Mereenese crown. She doesn't march to the rescue of Astapor, makes peace with the slavers by marrying a slaver, allows slavery to restart in Astapor and Yunkai...the list goes on. The chick in Volantis sends off Jorah and Tyrion with a message to Dany. It says something like, "Tell the dragon queen to come quickly, her children are waiting for her." Too bad for her children, their mother is too goddamn vain and dumb and self-hosed to come save them. The Astapor slaves were telling each other that their mother will be there to save them any second now, right up to the moment they were either re-enslaved or tortured to death. Rape is a given in either case. She's also loving retarded and makes bad decision after bad decision. "I'm only a young girl and don't know much about the ways of war" - she's completely loving correct but doesn't realize it. It makes it aggravating to read sometimes. Jon's chapters are good, though there's a few times you just want to kick him and shout in his face to "STOP SENDING AWAY YOUR ONLY FRIENDS AND ALLIES". Seriously, it started with Sam and Aemon, but continued on with Pyp and Grenn, Iron Emmett and Dolorous Edd, etc. Pyp is the only one I can understand. He could undermine Jon's authority and it could get ugly. The others? I get that you want people you trust to command those new garrisons, but holy gently caress your only ally left is a former Oldtown boy whore, near as I can tell. Goddamnit Jon. The GURM does pull another "nuncle" thing again. Remember how that word had never been heard at all before AFFC? Yeah, well get ready to read about "neeps" every time there's food being served. At least it doesn't sound as retarded as "nuncle" though. Goddamnit I hate that word. gently caress you GURM. Anyway, lots of  to say this: the book is good, go read it. Read it slowly though, it's the last book in the series.
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Jul 11, 2011 23:49
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Angry mutterings aside, my biggest gripe with Dance is that I now have no loving idea where the series is going. I think Jon is gonna be the undead Azor Azhoi, resurrected by Melisandre, but I have no idea what part Dany is going to play. Maybe she'll be stabbed in the heart to make Lightbringer? And Varys' mysterious motivations are getting tiresome. At this point I kind of hope he's just an angry little man who's trying to gently caress the world over cause they cut off his balls. What reason does he have to be a Targareyn loyalist? Is he aware of the prophecy, despite his supposed hatred of magic? At least Littlefinger's motivations are known, he's in it for the ginger jailbait.
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Jul 11, 2011 23:50
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Do Bran or Samwell have chapters in this book?
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Jul 12, 2011 00:09
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To anyone bitching about the book not being good because it doesn't move the plot forward enough, especially in regard to Jon, Dany and Tyrion, explain to me how Clash of Kings is any different. Clash of Kings is 95% setup for later stuff, plus a cool battle with magic napalm.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:13
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VaultAggie posted:Do Bran or Samwell have chapters in this book? Bran kills Hodor and the Reeds for more warg power and to be able to see and speak through the godwoods. Samwell does not have a chapter I don't think. literallyincredible posted:To anyone bitching about the book not being good because it doesn't move the plot forward enough, especially in regard to Jon, Dany and Tyrion, explain to me how Clash of Kings is any different. Clash of Kings is 95% setup for later stuff, plus a cool battle with magic napalm. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who likes Clash over Swords or Thrones. You know, the books were things actually do happen.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:14
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Just finished ADWD and I thought it was really good. Much better than AFFC. Although it actually makes AFFC a lot more meaningful, knowing what happens to all the sideplots.VaultAggie posted:Do Bran or Samwell have chapters in this book? Bran yes, Samwell no.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:14
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Solice Kirsk posted:Bran kills Hodor and the Reeds for more warg power and to be able to see and speak through the godwoods. Samwell does not have a chapter I don't think. If this actually happened, it would instantly redeem the Bran chapters.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:19
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Aurubin posted:he's just an angry little man who's trying to gently caress the world over cause they cut off his balls. I'm not convinced he is a eunuch. He might be, but but we only have his word for that - which really isn't worth much.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:45
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Someone who's read the thing: Any indication of just what the "Mereenese knot" might have actually been? GRRM would not shut up about the drat thing when he was making excuses as to why it took six years to write half of half a book, does it really involve something that seems it would have been spectacularly complex to write or a difficult plot to resolve?
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Jul 12, 2011 00:46
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The knot was Dany in Mereen. He apparently couldn't figure out how to get her out of there with the appropriate character development or some such, and decided to just kick the can down the road to the next novel.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:49
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Rootbeer Baron posted:It's a weird thing to leave ambiguous, though. I'm no dude but if I was I feel like my POV chapters would be 12 pages of THIS DUDE CUT OFF MY DICK and not mumbling in the back of my cell wondering where a few of my fingers and toes went. Dude, who the gently caress is the chick in your avatar and what is the screenshot from? She looks really familiar but I can't put my finger on it. Or in it. There, now this post is relevant to the thread subject. The thing with her eyebrows gets me all hot and bothered like GURM writing Theon torture porn. Oh hey, on the actual subject of the books: Littlefinger had Jeyne Poole the whole time. During that time, he has her "trained" as a whore and whipped so badly that there are scars on her back. Then he gives her to Ramsay Fuckin Bolton. There have been discussions about how Sansa will probably end up bringing down Littlefinger at his own game and using the skills he taught her. The thought goes that she'll flip on him when she finds out how he betrayed her father with the gold cloaks and poo poo. That seems the most obvious just because everyone knows he did it. We also know that he's the one that convinced Joffrey to kill Ned, and we find out one of his motivations for that: Cersei refuses his proposal to marry Sansa himself. I'm sort of thinking it's now more likely she'll go against him because of what he did to her BFF Jeyne Poole. It seems more likely that she'd meet up with Jeyne or even Theon than finding out about poo poo that went down in King's Landing 3 (?) years ago. She's got no friends in King's Landing. The only people that might talk to her are Barristan and Varys. Barristan is exceedingly unlikely just because of circumstances. Varys seems very likely, though. He's got every reason to remove Littlefinger from the game and Sansa is shaping out to be the perfect weapon due to reasons we all know. Hell, she's probably the only weapon available to Varys in the Vale. On the other hand, when Sansa hears that Arya has been forced to wed Ramsay Bolton and is the Lady of Winterfell, I could easily see that being the catalyst that starts the downfall of the Lord Paramount of the Trident and Lord Protector of the Vale. When Sansa reveals herself to Bronze Motherfucking Yohn before Littlefinger realizes it, poor Petyr Baelish gets tossed from the Moon Door and all the knights of the Vale pledge themselves to Sansa's cause of freeing her sister from one of the driving forces of the Red Wedding. None of this matters of course, until Brandon Sanderson (whoever the gently caress that is, goons keep using his name though) finishes it in 2021.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:55
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I really tried very hard to read The Way of Kings by BRANDON SANDERSON WRITING MACHINE and I couldn't do it. It just felt so blah and static. I'd rather the story be left unfinished then have Brandon Sanderson get his milk white vanilla hands all over it.
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Jul 12, 2011 01:09
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threeagainstfour posted:I'd rather the story be left unfinished then have Brandon Sanderson get his milk white vanilla hands all over it. I'm sure we will have years and years to discuss who will write the next book... since I have the feeling he will neither die nor finish the next book by 2017. So... I'm looking at you Abercrombie.. go learn to write about food and pedo sex for the next 3novels you do... and when 2017 comes around, you'll be top pick.
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Jul 12, 2011 01:49
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threeagainstfour posted:I'd rather the story be left unfinished then have Brandon Sanderson get his milk white vanilla hands all over it. You're lucky cause this is exactly what is going to happen. I think our only real shot is if the HBO show catches up with the books (only 5 more seasons so definitely before Winds of Winter). That will be a slim chance though since the TV show is good but expensive (like Deadwood) so HBO will pull the plug on it after 3-4 seasons. Possibly next season since Clash was Feast 1.0.
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Jul 12, 2011 01:52
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Solice Kirsk posted:You're lucky cause this is exactly what is going to happen. I think our only real shot is if the HBO show catches up with the books (only 5 more seasons so definitely before Winds of Winter). That will be a slim chance though since the TV show is good but expensive (like Deadwood) so HBO will pull the plug on it after 3-4 seasons. Possibly next season since Clash was Feast 1.0. It's pretty much a given that HBO will drop the series before we ever see Dance on-screen. Gurm's creepy fetishes are too inherent to the story at this point to be cut for TV without a major re-write.
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Jul 12, 2011 02:18
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I got ADWD last Friday and I'm about 300 pages in. I'm filled with dread every time I have to read a Reek chapter. They made him into such a pitiful creature I want to retch all the way through reading the chapter. Perhaps I should skip his chapters altogether.
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Jul 12, 2011 02:19
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Nah, don't skip him. He gets better later and does some fairly important stuff.
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Jul 12, 2011 02:23
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The knot was Dany in Mereen. He apparently couldn't figure out how to get her out of there with the appropriate character development or some such, and decided to just kick the can down the road to the next novel. Not quite, it seems: see recent GRRM interview at http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/5431/ GRRM posted:The Meerenese Knot related to everyone reaching Dany. There's a series of events that have to occur in Meereen, things that are significant. She has various problems to deal with at the start: dealing with the slavers, threats of war, the Sons of the Harpy, and so on. At the same time, there's all of these characters trying to get to her. So the problem was to figure out who should reach her and in what order, and what events should happen by the time they've reached her. I kept coming up with different answers and I kept having to rewrite different versions and then not being satisfied with the dynamics until I found something that was satisfactory. I thought that solution worked well, but it was not my first choice.
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Jul 12, 2011 02:53
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I hate you all who got the book. It is going to be a long time for me to get it. From what I saw, Dany keeps screwing up, doesn't she? And that the Meereneese (tons of eee's) knot doesn't get really resolved. I hope it is good anyway, I've been hating the GRRM for a long time now.
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Jul 12, 2011 03:25
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Sweet As Sin posted:I hate you all who got the book. It is going to be a long time for me to get it. The longer you wait to get it the less you have to wait for the Winds of Winter. I'm gluttonously reading through the pages of ADWD. Yet in the back of my mind I'm dreading finishing it and the years of anxiety that are to follow waiting for the next book.
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Jul 12, 2011 03:29
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I can deal with the wait for Winds of Winter, as it might never come out and that's ok. But I feel like a horse with a dangling carrot in front of it and it sucks.
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Jul 12, 2011 03:32
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Ray_ posted:Dude, who the gently caress is the chick in your avatar and what is the screenshot from? She looks really familiar but I can't put my finger on it. Or in it. There, now this post is relevant to the thread subject. It's Sweet Dee from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. On topic, I fully intend to skim or skip all of the Dany chapters because, unlike most people, I never liked her (or Jon Snow for that matter) and I always thought her chapters were the weakest part of the books. Imagine my sadness to find out that Dance was the big book of Dany and Jon 
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Jul 12, 2011 03:41
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I'm going to read the Dany chapters with relish because this is a goddamn fantasy series and it's about goddamn time we get to see some dragons loving poo poo up bigtime.
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Jul 12, 2011 03:53
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PeterWeller posted:it's about goddamn time we get to see some dragons loving poo poo up bigtime. Um...you've been reading this series, right? The Targs hosed everything up 
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Jul 12, 2011 03:54
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I know amazon says PST but this fucker better be on my kindle at 1201 or there will be hell to pay
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PeterWeller posted:I'm going to read the Dany chapters with relish because this is a goddamn fantasy series and it's about goddamn time we get to see some dragons loving poo poo up bigtime. I have some bad news nuncle jimbo fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jul 12, 2011 |
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Jul 12, 2011 03:57
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I find it somewhat damning that this is the lowest rated thread in The Book Barn by over a full point.
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Jul 12, 2011 04:38
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Dik Hz posted:I find it somewhat damning that this is the lowest rated thread in The Book Barn by over a full point. IRQ and co are REALLY pissed that GRRM actually came through on this one. Also their bitching is annoying as hell.
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Habibi posted:Never having read King I have to ask out of curiosity: his writing falling off is attriibuted to a car accident? King was at his best when he was on drugs. He wrote some truly hosed up stuff that, while pulpy, also really worked. Then he got off the drugs, and became more "mixed bag," although he still did some classics. The Dark Tower series was like his super epic planned world tying in together meta-project thing that also worked to be a window into each phase of his career. Each book reflects the author he was at the time since there are relatively large gaps in between them (for him). Then he had his car accident, which was another large turning point, and his writing changed again. He got scared by his own mortality, decided he HAD to finish the DT series, and wrote the final three books in like 3-4 years. And with his newfound perspective, he decided that everything should be minimalized, so he changed everything from epic into fizzling out on purpose. For instance, the avatar of uni...MULTIversal dischord who wanted the destruction of all universes and complete nothingness or chaos (who was several steps up from universal level Lovercraftian beings) became an old man who threw Harry Potter sneeches at the heroes in the climax of the book. And then, all the rest of his books became hugely derivate of his past stuff on top of that - he seems to have lost every idea he had and is just piecing together bits and pieces of other books. Lately, he wrote a couple of OK books, but nothing of the level he's done before - even his short stories are tame and predictable. But after DT4 and the long wait to 5, we had no idea he'd become what he did - or completely change the tone of the books/series, etc. But it did teach me to not "trust" any long running series from an author - so I don't get nearly as let down now.
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Jul 12, 2011 05:06
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I'm sticking by my word, I'm not picking this up till a paperback is released.
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Jul 12, 2011 05:08
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uncle jimbo posted:I have some bad news drat it! Hahaha
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Jul 12, 2011 05:15
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Abnegatus posted:I'm sticking by my word, I'm not picking this up till a paperback is released.  I need something to throw away in disgust without feeling guilty.
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Jul 12, 2011 05:39
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Sweet! Got my copy. I now believe it's real. Got to go, reading.
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Jul 12, 2011 05:43
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its now 1am and i'm not reading adwd. gently caress. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 12, 2011 05:58
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Apple released it to everyone on iBooks a few hours ago. I guess they figured, gently caress it, it's Midnight somewhere we have users. I believe it was released on the Nook store a little bit ago as well. Amazon is sticking to their 12am PST timeline.
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Jul 12, 2011 05:58
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Downloaded a copy to my Kindle and the thing promptly burst into flames!
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meanolmrcloud posted:I know amazon says PST but this fucker better be on my kindle at 1201 or there will be hell to pay On my Nook touch now lol.
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gently caress off! all of you! aughguh
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