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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Chocobuckle? It deals damage equal to the times you've ran. Ah, fixed damage attacks that run on their own internal counter.  I think FF6 started that with Traveler/Step Mine, and paved the way for legions of sperglords who had to get every last one of those attacks up to doing 9999 damage. ...And then in FF9 they gave like four characters moves like that. All with different requirements. 
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KataraniSword posted:Ah, fixed damage attacks that run on their own internal counter. In 5 there's the Chicken knife and Brave knife though which depend on fleeing, I think. 
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KataraniSword posted:...And then in FF9 they gave like four characters moves like that. All with different requirements. Three, and they're all super grindtastic to get. By far the worst offender was Zidane, with Quina a close second. Freya's is easy as poo poo to get.
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factorialite posted:There are those who were waiting for a double update today. I'm so sorry to disappoint you guys. I just got so much work to do this weekend that I didn't have time to do anything else  I already got the videos and notes ready, I'm just trying to find free time. I literally didn't have any this weekend. I promise that as soon as I can I'll catch up.
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El Belmondo posted:In 5 there's the Chicken knife and Brave knife though which depend on fleeing, I think. It took me about 15 minutes to grind up the chicken knife for my FFVAdvance LP. Considering you have three different instant flee methods it's not as bad as Chocobuckle or Step Mine. Nidoking posted:Step 1: Get Chocobuckle 2222 times so you can trigger Lucky 7s whenever you want! 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Chocobuckle? It deals damage equal to the times you've ran. So it's effectively useless then (aside from what you posted above I guess). At least that explains why I've never had it do anything; so long as I can help it, I never run from a fight. I'd rather fight a few fights pointlessly and maybe end up slightly overlevelled than struggle along because I ran from one too many.
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kalonZombie posted:Three, and they're all super grindtastic to get. By far the worst offender was Zidane, with Quina a close second. Freya's is easy as poo poo to get. No way, man. You can just steal from every enemy in every normal encounter and you'll probably have Thievery at 99, or at least very close to it, by the end of the game while getting a bunch of free poo poo. Plus if you gear yourself to gain/have extra Speed, that's your multiplier, and I think you only have to successfully steal like 200 times or so at 50 Speed (even after grinding to the high 70s with non-optimal equipment, I still got it to 41 or 42 I think, not counting equipment bonuses). You'll easily get into at least 200 encounters, most with at least two enemies in them, before the end of the game, and Marcus's steals count too. Quina? poo poo, you gotta get Quina to Level 99, definitely, which is a lot harder than getting 200-400 successful Steals by the time you hit 50 or 60. And then you have to catch 100 frogs, which takes not only the entire normal game for them to repopulate enough times, but I just barely made it after having done absolutely everything while keeping their populations in check the entire time.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:2222 times so you can trigger Lucky 7s whenever you want! This would be ingenious if it weren't so tedious.
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You can get two Enemy Skills to do that and go for low level runs. You would be better with the materia/item trick to get those 7's.
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All the Key Items images that people have posting aren't user-generated. The images were included in FFVII - International, which oddly enough was released only in Japan.
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kalonZombie posted:Three, and they're all super grindtastic to get. By far the worst offender was Zidane, with Quina a close second. Freya's is easy as poo poo to get. Seriously, Freya's Dragon Crest is ridiculous. I love IX to death, but the fact that they have an attack that can do max damage fairly early in the game with only an hour or two of grinding is a little insane. The White Dragon posted:Quina? poo poo, you gotta get Quina to Level 99, definitely, which is a lot harder than getting 200-400 successful Steals by the time you hit 50 or 60. And then you have to catch 100 frogs, which takes not only the entire normal game for them to repopulate enough times, but I just barely made it after having done absolutely everything while keeping their populations in check the entire time. Who is this "Quina" you speak of? From now on, s/he'll always be Iz to me.
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MC Jigsaw posted:This would be ingenious if it weren't so tedious. I remember seeing a particular setup somewhere that would get Barret's max HP to 7777. It won't trigger at the start of a battle like that, but you can just wait until he takes damage and then heal him back up.
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Dauntasa posted:It won't trigger at the start of a battle like that edit - You know what, on second thought, I'm gonna take that it since it's more than just a little spoilerriffic. Suffice it to say, you can start a fight on lucky 7's If you don't believe me, google search "ffvii lucky 7's" and watch. Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jul 11, 2011 |
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Captain Bravo posted:edit - You know what, on second thought, I'm gonna take that it since it's more than just a little spoilerriffic. Suffice it to say, you can start a fight on lucky 7's All of the things I found show people going into the battle at 7677 and using a potion or going in with 9999 and being hit by a certain attack that does 2222.
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I always thought Sephiroth was pretty cool before the fanbase(and Nomura) got ahold of him. He basically is a badass hero guy who completely flips his poo poo when he finds out something that makes him question his very existence. Hell, in all of the newer FF games all it takes is a bit of doubt or vague problems to make a character break down. Also when I first played FF7 as a kid, I ended up getting to this part late at night, alone, with no idea it was going to happen. Fun stuff. 
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FillInTheBlank posted:All the Key Items images that people have posting aren't user-generated. The images were included in FFVII - International, which oddly enough was released only in Japan. I think the "International" part refers to the fact that though Japan always gets Final Fantasy games first, other countries get extra stuff in exchange for waiting, including bug fixes. So when they re-release the game in Japan, the Japanese get that extra "International" stuff, and more. 
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Dauntasa posted:All of the things I found show people going into the battle at 7677 and using a potion or going in with 9999 and being hit by a certain attack that does 2222. Warning, extremely spoilery for a certain endgame enemy, do not watch if you've not played the game. Go to this dude's page, and look in his videos. He's got one where he starts with lucky 7's firing off. Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jul 11, 2011 |
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Elentor posted:I'm so sorry to disappoint you guys. I just got so much work to do this weekend that I didn't have time to do anything else It's cool man, I'd be more angry if you shirked real-life stuff to do this. I was just channeling my inner Joe Morgan, after which I self-flagellated.
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Captain Bravo posted:Warning, extremely spoilery for a certain endgame enemy, do not watch if you've not played the game. Two cars drag racing in pitch black conditions is a spoiler? *EDIT* NM, found it.
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Since there's been a lack of updates, this could be interesting to both new fans as well as those who have played FFVII multiple times... The FFVII demo: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN2tpE4wYxk Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PES-UntD8Lw You'll notice a lot of things that are different from the final version... such as starting out with Aeris in your party, even crappier dialogue, and text added to the opening, among other things.
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Those demo movies leave out the battles, which were also different. They supported a ton more enemies in battle at once in the demo than they did in the actual game.
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I remember the first time I saw that demo in a store. I thought "man, they're just ripping off Final Fantasy and everyone's super impressed". Then I saw the end of the demo and was angry nobody had told me about it.
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Interesting, so Barret didn't always sound like a completely incoherent baboon then. Wonder why they went with the inferior release script.
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I remember playing a demo way back when, but I remember the party having Tifa, not Aeris. It also had ridiculous mid game stuff like Neo Bahamut. I could just be remembering wrong about Tifa though.
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They did the same thing with the FF8 demo and gave you Leviathan as a summon during the whole radio tower invasion scene. That's fairly common.
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The Xenogears demo gave you two party members in the mountains, and they even lampshade the fact that they won't be in there in the real game.
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Death Priest posted:Interesting, so Barret didn't always sound like a completely incoherent baboon then. Wonder why they went with the inferior release script. One of the Youtube comments say that Sony translated the final game while the demo was translated by Square themselves. No idea if that's true, though.
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Renoistic posted:One of the Youtube comments say that Sony translated the final game while the demo was translated by Square themselves. No idea if that's true, though. Considering that I think Sony translated one of the other paragons of early PSX-era bad JRPG localizations, Legend of Dragoon, that would not surprise me at all. It's surprising how much more coherent that demo is than the game itself. Clunkier, yeah, but things make a bit more sense. I'd love to have just a port of FF7 along the lines of Chrono Trigger DS or FFV Advance -- same essential game, but polished script and loc work. If there's any game that could use it, it's FF7. EDIT: It's also interesting that Jessie wasn't the only one you had to save during the reactor mission in the demo. I kind of wonder why they changed that. dumb brunette fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Jul 12, 2011 |
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dumb brunette posted:
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Renoistic posted:I'm guessing they cut it for better flow and to make Jessie a little more special. I can just imagine some smart rear end at Square going, "Heh, wouldn't it be cool if we faked the player into thinking Jessie was gonna be Cloud's girlfriend? But then we introduced his actual friend from when he was a kid, and then we had him hook up with yet ANOTHER girl right afterwards??? The player won't know what the gently caress    "Unfortunately they edited out the scene where Hojo tries to have Cloud mate with Red XIII
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Minrad posted:Unfortunately they edited out the scene where Hojo tries to have Cloud mate with Red XIII  : I honestly didn't believe Cloud would have given in so quickly! I'm sensing that boy has some issues.
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I actually prefer the real game dialog to the demo dialog. The demo dialog reveals a bit more of the story, but I actually like that a good chunk of the plot and setting are reserved to be revealed at a later date. The demo worked really well as a demo, in that it exposed you to enough of the game to give you a good idea of what it was about and make you sufficiently hooked to want to see what's next, but if I'm to sit down and play the game, I like the dialog we got. Also the lines in the demo seem a little bit wordy (contrasted against the lines in the game being a bit sparse).
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kalonZombie posted:The Xenogears demo gave you two party members in the mountains, and they even lampshade the fact that they won't be in there in the real game. I remember the Legend of Legaia demo had Noa in the first town explain how she wouldn't be there in the original game. Same with the other character you get. I had the demo for FFVII too, I remember Tifa being in my party. Not Aeris.
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Renoistic posted:One of the Youtube comments say that Sony translated the final game while the demo was translated by Square themselves. No idea if that's true, though. The European translations were done by Sony at least. (Based on the english translation of course, so you've got a bad translation of a bad translation...actually that's true for most european non-english translations of japanese games.)
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Elephantgun posted:I remember the Legend of Legaia demo had Noa in the first town explain how she wouldn't be there in the original game. Same with the other character you get.
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Hokuto posted:They did the same thing with the FF8 demo and gave you Leviathan as a summon during the whole radio tower invasion scene. That's fairly common. I remember at the end, when you're running from the mech spider, the gun turret was being operated by some random soldier instead of Quistis. I think the party for the demo was Squall, Zell and Selphie (all in their usual outfits instead of their Seed uniforms).
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John Luebke posted:The European translations were done by Sony at least. (Based on the english translation of course, so you've got a bad translation of a bad translation...actually that's true for most european non-english translations of japanese games.) At least the german version loved it's unreadable characters and offered several translations for the weapon beasts.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:I remember at the end, when you're running from the mech spider, the gun turret was being operated by some random soldier instead of Quistis. I think the party for the demo was Squall, Zell and Selphie (all in their usual outfits instead of their Seed uniforms). No it was Squall, Zell, Rinoa (with Leviathan). Rinoa never talked.
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J. Alfred Prufrock posted:No it was Squall, Zell, Rinoa (with Leviathan). Rinoa never talked. I forgot about that. I guess the demo really was the better game. 
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The White Dragon posted:And then you have to catch 100 frogs, which takes not only the entire normal game for them to repopulate enough times, but I just barely made it after having done absolutely everything while keeping their populations in check the entire time. That is odd, I remember getting enough frogs for the Silver Fork before even getting to Burmercia due to obsessively playing Chocobo Hot and Cold for a few hours. But the thing is I always left at least three frogs, one male, one female, one gold.
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