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less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

A5H posted:

Ah this is really difficult. All I want is a domain that I can aim at a blog page. If I want to have email@myaddress I have to pay extra for that?
What happens when my year runs out? Does the price go up etc if I want to keep it?

1. Pick up a domain. (If you decide on Hover, you can use my coupon code BMurfin to get 10% off.)

2. Pick up some web hosting. Most any package from a company will also include e-mail. (Though I recommend using Google Apps for that.)

3. Sign up for Google Apps

4. From your domain registrar's control panel, set up your MX records to point to Google, your A/CNAME records to point to your web host. Here's a tutorial.

When your year is coming to run out, you can renew the domain for another X number of years. The price will generally be the same as the first time. (Unless you took some special offer like 1st year for $2. Don't do that, they'll try to screw you on renewal.)

If you want more in-depth help, I'm usually chilling in #apb on SynIRC, or you can shoot me a PM. :)

less than three fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Jun 19, 2011

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Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Thanks man that's really kind of you :) .

Unboxing Day
Nov 4, 2003

I've been on an atom dedicated server for a few months through a company called InterServer (HoneLive from earlier in the thread was hosted in the same building). I've been with them since last December, and although I'm mostly happy with the hosting, I'm wondering about alternatives. I would like to either pay less money to host what I've got, or pay around the same amount of money, maybe a few bucks more, to address one of the few issues I have with the hosting.

Right now I pay $45 a month for a server with an Atom D510 and 2 gigs of memory, and it shows up as having four cores in htop and /cpu/procinfo. I'm not sure about what my uplink port is and how much bandwidth I've been allotted, but I've never had bandwidth issues and I've never received an e-mail from my host so whatever I'm using is clearly not an issue. I also get five IP addresses of which I use two and honestly would be fine with one if push came to shove.

The main 'draw' of my server are my Skulltag servers. Depending on what the server is running they take up anywhere from 20 to 80 megs of res memory each, and I have at a minimum 9-10 running at any given time, so I tend to gobble up memory. Their CPU utilization is low, but for some weird reason every time I have ever tried to host the servers on a VPS I've had one issue or another. On the OpenVZ VPS InterServer offers, the server will freeze up for seconds at a time as it hits some sort of UDP buffer limit. On Linode Xen VPS's, there seems to be periods of time (30mins-hours) where the game will simply play choppily, stuttering around and simply not feeling smooth at all (though this last was tried around 6+ months ago so things might have changed). Amazon's cloud hosting performance was similar to Linode's but worse. Having these game servers be performant is pretty important and a good chunk of why I bother with my current Atom setup.

I also use my current server as a shell for my IRC client and for personal development projects (as in I ssh in, reattach my screen and start coding with IRC in another window). This is where I'm finding the current server lacking, as I find interactive usage of the server to be quite slow compared to a VPS. The current server also hosts a website with a forum that gets relatively low traffic, and I just added a mumble server for my personal use that I'm eventually considering opening up to my skulltag players.

Really, if it wasn't for the Skulltag servers I feel like I could get away with a VPS, but the ones I evaluated did not work out for me because of the jittering issues. I also feel stuck to my current host because my players really like their pings to my server and even on the Linode in New Jersey my players discovered that pings were 10-20+ greater than they were where I'm at, which made the super-low-pingers and euros unhappy. Support from my current host is adequate (they're quick about rebooting a server via an e-mail request which is honestly all I ask), but their colocations start at $100 a month which is about double what I'm willing to pay to supply my own hardware.

So should I stick with what I've got, or are there better options?

Unboxing Day fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jun 22, 2011

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Are your SSH windows huge (like 130x50)?

Otherwise, I don't see how that would be slow on an Atom. I have used some of the crappiest machines imagineable for shellboxes and they're fine unless I do something like run torrents on them.

Unboxing Day
Nov 4, 2003

Bob Morales posted:

Are your SSH windows huge (like 130x50)?

Otherwise, I don't see how that would be slow on an Atom. I have used some of the crappiest machines imagineable for shellboxes and they're fine unless I do something like run torrents on them.

I more mean responsiveness when running commands that "do stuff". Compiling stuff takes a long time, updates take forever, starting a shell in a new screen buffer takes a second or two, quitting supervisorctl frequently takes upwards of a minute, that sort of thing. It doesn't make it unusable but it is annoying, and going from that to a snappy VPS is like night and day.

Interactive programs like vim and weechat are not slow to update the screen itself, if that's what you're asking.

Unboxing Day fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 22, 2011

optikalus
Apr 17, 2008

Emo Businessman posted:

I more mean responsiveness when running commands that "do stuff". Compiling stuff takes a long time, updates take forever, starting a shell in a new screen buffer takes a second or two, quitting supervisorctl frequently takes upwards of a minute, that sort of thing. It doesn't make it unusable but it is annoying, and going from that to a snappy VPS is like night and day.

Interactive programs like vim and weechat are not slow to update the screen itself, if that's what you're asking.

What disk does your Atom server have? Many Atom-powered boxes are put into mini-small ITX chassis, and those have laptop harddrives. I have an Atom 330 mini-ITX box powering my backups, and it had /slow/ IO (especially when it had to swap due to being limited to 2GB RAM). I replaced the drive with a cheap Kingston 64GB SSD and it performs better than most entry-level servers now.

In summary, check your disk IO and swap usage.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

optikalus posted:

In summary, check your disk IO and swap usage.

Check top as well, the other processes on the server might be hogging the CPU. Another 2GB of RAM would be dirt cheap and an SSD would be < $100. It might be a pain to get setup, though.

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002
You can install dstat and look where the red values are to see your bottleneck. Install sysstat so you can have sar polling and then you can get historical information.

Tacos Are Good
Jun 28, 2004
mmmmm...
I am looking at getting a basic shared hosting plan for a site I am starting. Basically just guides to very specific statistical techniques as way to keep my mind fresh before grad school. Often I am at locations that offer free unsecured connections. I was wondering if any web-host offer vpn tunneling with their shared hosting plans. Is this a feature that I can expect to find? I haven't seen it listed anywhere, and I am not sure if it is even a reasonable thing to ask for on a shared hosting plan.

dolicf
Sep 12, 2010
I've never seen it, though they might exist.

An easier solution would be to get a host that offers SSH access. You can then tunnel HTTP and DNS traffic over an SSH connection. Google should provide a million tutorials for whatever OS and browser you're using.

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dolicf posted:

I've never seen it, though they might exist.

An easier solution would be to get a host that offers SSH access. You can then tunnel HTTP and DNS traffic over an SSH connection. Google should provide a million tutorials for whatever OS and browser you're using.

Mosts hosts don't allow SSH Tunneling because the bandwidth can't be limited and deducted from the plan bandwidth.

I'd suggest a VPS or Dedicated Server for this type of thing.

dolicf
Sep 12, 2010
Good call.

Tacos Are Good
Jun 28, 2004
mmmmm...
That makes sense. O'well, a vps is definitely out of my budget for what I want to do.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

Tacos Are Good posted:

That makes sense. O'well, a vps is definitely out of my budget for what I want to do.

You can get a VPS for like $7 from Burst.net.

http://www.nocster.com/winvps.shtml

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

Tacos Are Good posted:

That makes sense. O'well, a vps is definitely out of my budget for what I want to do.

$3-4 a month is out of your budget?

Unboxing Day
Nov 4, 2003

JHVH-1 posted:

You can install dstat and look where the red values are to see your bottleneck. Install sysstat so you can have sar polling and then you can get historical information.

Quite odd. When I run dstat I don't really see anything too out of the ordinary:

code:
----total-cpu-usage---- -dsk/total- -net/total- ---paging-- ---system--
usr sys idl wai hiq siq| read  writ| recv  send|  in   out | int   csw 
  2   2  96   0   0   0|   0     0 |1116B 4961B|   0     0 |4579    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 | 540B 2362B|   0     0 |3906    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 | 426B 5068B|   0     0 |4883    13k
  2   1  96   0   0   0|   0   152k|  66B  306B|   0     0 |3545    12k
  1   1  97   1   0   0|   0    96k| 309B  485B|   0     0 |3576    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 |1206B 7056B|   0     0 |4248    12k
  2   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 | 654B 2840B|   0     0 |3783    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 |1278B 4440B|   0     0 |4506    12k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 995B  673B|   0     0 |4469    13k
  8   2  90   0   0   0|  68k    0 |1587B 1495B|   0     0 |5178    13k
 26   1  73   0   0   0|   0     0 | 624B 5780B|   0     0 |3555    11k
 24   3  71   2   0   0|   0    92k| 132B  306B|   0     0 |4105    12k
 16   1  83   0   0   0|   0     0 | 749B 2750B|   0     0 |4545    12k
  2   3  95   0   0   0|   0     0 | 566B  702B|   0     0 |4226    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0  4096B| 816B 1030B|   0     0 |4440    12k
  2   2  96   0   0   0|   0     0 | 440B  553B|   0     0 |4695    13k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 | 257B  721B|   0     0 |3733    12k
  3   1  97   0   0   0|   0   152k| 928B 3044B|   0     0 |5712    14k
  2   1  97   1   0   0|   0    68k| 240B  439B|   0     0 |4269    12k
You can see a little bump in CPU utilization when running aptitude upgrade (I don't pass -y so it just finds packages) but it's still quite low.

code:
----total-cpu-usage---- -dsk/total- -net/total- ---paging-- ---system--
usr sys idl wai hiq siq| read  writ| recv  send|  in   out | int   csw 
  3   1  94   2   0   0|   0    28k|1299B 1945B|   0     0 |4623    13k
  2   2  97   0   0   0|   0  4096B|1622B 3203B|   0     0 |3116    11k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 149B   66B|   0     0 |3312    11k
  2   2  96   0   0   0|   0     0 | 555B 4468B|   0     0 |3495    12k
  2   0  98   0   0   0|   0     0 |1294B 1528B|   0     0 |3445    11k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0   152k| 654B 5706B|   0     0 |2984    11k
  1   1  95   3   0   0|   0   116k| 441B 1229B|   0     0 |3706    12k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 360B 1400B|   0     0 |4124    12k
  1   2  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 654B 2912B|   0     0 |3408    11k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 |2375B   10k|   0     0 |4012    12k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 436B 1051B|   0     0 |3590    12k
  2   2  97   0   0   0|   0  4096B| 747B 1613B|   0     0 |4509    12k
  1   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 |1902B   10k|   0     0 |3392    11k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 | 459B  801B|   0     0 |3498    12k
  1   1  96   2   0   0|   0    60k| 197B  471B|   0     0 |3844    12k
  2   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 197B  487B|   0     0 |2769    11k
  1   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 |1006B 1844B|   0     0 |3817    12k
  1   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 |1097B 8126B|   0     0 |4479    12k
  1   1  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 666B 4017B|   0     0 |4386    12k
  2   1  96   0   0   0|   0   152k|1206B 6377B|   0     0 |3500    12k
  2   1  98   0   0   0|   0     0 |1146B 6145B|   0     0 |3320    11k
  2   1  97   1   0   0|   0    56k| 513B  601B|   0     0 |3306    11k
  1   2  97   0   0   0|   0     0 | 203B  477B|   0     0 |3569    12k
Can you tell on the graph when I started to quit out of supervisorctl? Me neither, I started at around the third or forth entry and it was still running by the bottom.

Beseiged
Aug 27, 2007

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less than three posted:

You can get a VPS for like $7 from Burst.net.

http://www.nocster.com/winvps.shtml

I've been using burst for years now. Their VPS's are decent, especially if you are just dicking around or making a small site.

DigitalMocking
Jun 8, 2010

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Benjamin Franklin
Hey goons, quick hosting question. Right now my company has a pair of VPS boxes with tenzing.com in Canada and we've been less than happy with the performance, pricing and their support. If I told you how much we pay for them, I'm not sure you would believe me.

So I'm looking for a decent hosting provider for 1 preferably dedicated box and 1 or 2 vps systems but they have to be in Canadia. (Something about our Canadian customers not wanting the US Government to be able to seize their data or something). A hosting company who also offers managed load balancing for front end webservers would be pretty nice as well.

Any good recommendations? We don't use a lot of bandwidth at all, maybe 1mb/sec peak during the business day and almost 0 usage off hours.

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
amanah.com or astutehosting.com

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




DigitalMocking posted:

Hey goons, quick hosting question. Right now my company has a pair of VPS boxes with tenzing.com in Canada and we've been less than happy with the performance, pricing and their support. If I told you how much we pay for them, I'm not sure you would believe me.

So I'm looking for a decent hosting provider for 1 preferably dedicated box and 1 or 2 vps systems but they have to be in Canadia. (Something about our Canadian customers not wanting the US Government to be able to seize their data or something). A hosting company who also offers managed load balancing for front end webservers would be pretty nice as well.

Any good recommendations? We don't use a lot of bandwidth at all, maybe 1mb/sec peak during the business day and almost 0 usage off hours.

Funnily enough, IIRC the PATRIOT Act applies to network data over here too, so they're not really saving themselves any trouble at all. Could be wrong, but I keep hearing it in discussions here and elsewhere.

DigitalMocking
Jun 8, 2010

Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
Benjamin Franklin

StealthArcher posted:

Funnily enough, IIRC the PATRIOT Act applies to network data over here too, so they're not really saving themselves any trouble at all. Could be wrong, but I keep hearing it in discussions here and elsewhere.

The request came directly from Canadian Health Services. They require that none of the participant data ever be stored on US soil. Beats me, I just do what they ask :p

Cock Democracy
Jan 1, 2003

Now that is the finest piece of chilean sea bass I have ever smelled

DigitalMocking posted:

The request came directly from Canadian Health Services. They require that none of the participant data ever be stored on US soil. Beats me, I just do what they ask :p

It's probably a good move on Canada's part. At least Canada to Canada connections are reasonably safe from being eavesdropped on. That might not be the case for a US-Canada connection. :tinfoil:

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Beseiged posted:

I've been using burst for years now. Their VPS's are decent, especially if you are just dicking around or making a small site.

Anyone else have reviews of other low-price VPS providers? I was thinking about buying a 256MB VPS from either Host90 or VirtualSRV (or someone else from https://www.lowendbox.com) to play around with. That site has a forum but nobody talks about actually doing anything with their VPS except collecting them or running speedtests.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Bob Morales posted:

Anyone else have reviews of other low-price VPS providers? I was thinking about buying a 256MB VPS from either Host90 or VirtualSRV (or someone else from https://www.lowendbox.com) to play around with. That site has a forum but nobody talks about actually doing anything with their VPS except collecting them or running speedtests.

collecting ... VPS? :raise:

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Bob Morales posted:

Anyone else have reviews of other low-price VPS providers? I was thinking about buying a 256MB VPS from either Host90 or VirtualSRV (or someone else from https://www.lowendbox.com) to play around with. That site has a forum but nobody talks about actually doing anything with their VPS except collecting them or running speedtests.

Try serveraxis.com

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

DNova posted:

collecting ... VPS? :raise:

http://www.lowendtalk.com/questions/8502/how-many-lebs-do-you-have

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.

.....why? :psyduck:

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

eightysixed posted:

.....why? :psyduck:

So you can tell people you "manage 30 servers" I guess.

Kinda defeats the purpose though to buy a ton of cheapo-VPSs instead of one decent price/decent performance one.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

ClosedBSD posted:

So you can tell people you "manage 30 servers" I guess.

Kinda defeats the purpose though to buy a ton of cheapo-VPSs instead of one decent price/decent performance one.

I think it's like Slickdeals where people just buy poo poo because it's one or two dollars

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006


haha amazing.

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

Bob Morales posted:

I think it's like Slickdeals where people just buy poo poo because it's one or two dollars

one of the guys on LEB did DNS hosting for his personal site... with 32 nameservers

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002

Biowarfare posted:

one of the guys on LEB did DNS hosting for his personal site... with 32 nameservers

Hey you need failover right?

text editor
Jan 8, 2007

Biowarfare posted:

one of the guys on LEB did DNS hosting for his personal site... with 32 nameservers

Hahaha, I want to see the link to his posting for this.

edit: Are there any cheap, less than $6 a month VPS hosts on LEB that Goons have good experiences with? It won't be for anything in production, mostly just for dumb projects and extra file backups, anything important I have is on the Linode.

text editor fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jul 25, 2011

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

ClosedBSD posted:

Hahaha, I want to see the link to his posting for this.

edit: Are there any cheap, less than $6 a month VPS hosts on LEB that Goons have good experiences with? It won't be for anything in production, mostly just for dumb projects and extra file backups, anything important I have is on the Linode.

LEB: allsimple, vooservers, xensmart, kazila

non-LEB: linode

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

I was searching for about 10 minutes for a cheap BSD VPS host, and then I realized since you can't use OpenVZ to cram 500 BSD VPSes on one server, there aren't any.

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

Bob Morales posted:

I was searching for about 10 minutes for a cheap BSD VPS host, and then I realized since you can't use OpenVZ to cram 500 BSD VPSes on one server, there aren't any.

hostigation.com, KVM. $3

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.
No one's mentioned it, but Linode just recently began rolling out IPv6 support to all its customers. http://blog.linode.com/2011/05/03/linode-launches-native-ipv6-support/ and http://www.linode.com/IPv6/ explains more.

I just spent the last hour or 2 working on getting my sites IPv6-compatible (adding AAAA DNS entries, editing VirtualHosts, etc.), and it seems to have gone smoothly, although I don't really know of a way to test it other than this site which says I pass.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

Well I've been using Neosurge for OpenVPN but my VPS has gone down for "exceeding my bandwidth usage". This has happened a couple of times but after a ticket they would fix it. This time however they haven't answered my ticket in over 2 weeks (and it's been down for that time).

Can anyone recommend me another inexpensive VPS? Neosurge was great while it worked, it cost about $7/month which gave me 200GB of bandwidth, which was perfect for OpenVPN (the only thing I use it for). They were in Chicago so I was always able to max my connection out. I'd like the new VPS to be in either Chicago or NYC (I live in Toronto).

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




cremnob posted:

Well I've been using Neosurge for OpenVPN but my VPS has gone down for "exceeding my bandwidth usage". This has happened a couple of times but after a ticket they would fix it. This time however they haven't answered my ticket in over 2 weeks (and it's been down for that time).

Can anyone recommend me another inexpensive VPS? Neosurge was great while it worked, it cost about $7/month which gave me 200GB of bandwidth, which was perfect for OpenVPN (the only thing I use it for). They were in Chicago so I was always able to max my connection out. I'd like the new VPS to be in either Chicago or NYC (I live in Toronto).

I know Linode mentioned above has servers in Newark, NJ. That might be close enough for you.

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eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.
It looks like he might want something a little cheaper than that though.

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