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Doibhilin posted:So now that Bran is becoming a tree, does he still need Hodor? I was really hoping for a Master Blaster-esque sex scene. He needs Hodor to fertilize his tree.
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I think I read through this entire thread, and I can't believe this wasn't posted yet.quote:"Other times, when he was tired of being a ____, Bran slipped into Hodor's ____ instead. The gentle giant would whimper when he felt him, and trash his shaggy head from side to side, but not as violently as he had the first time, back at Queenscrown. He knows it's me, the boy liked to tell himself. He's used to me by now. Even so, the he never felt comfortable inside Hodor's ____. The big stableboy never understood what was happening, and Bran could taste the ____ at a back of his mouth. It was better inside Summer. I am him, and he is me. He feels what I feel." Redact four words and it rivals some of the worst Wild Cards poo poo posted in the bad thread.
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Jul 26, 2011 21:18
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Jul 26, 2011 21:40
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Rhymenoceros posted:Did anyone else feel the book wasn't that good? Like I said earlier, I enjoyed the book but I came away disappointed. I wanted far more movement and some of the stuff was plain pointless. He should be looking to start winding things up instead of shoving more crap in.
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Rhymenoceros posted:Did anyone else feel the book wasn't that good? Welcome to the ADwD thread.
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Just finished the book, ready to go WILD again. I agree, the book was absurdly long, hardly moved anything along, threw a goddamned Aegon plot in with (supposedly) only two books to go, and outside of Jon's last chapter, was universally unthreatening and uninteresting. Sigh.
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LastAshenHero posted:Just finished the book, ready to go WILD again. I agree, the book was absurdly long, hardly moved anything along, threw a goddamned Aegon plot in with (supposedly) only two books to go, and outside of Jon's last chapter, was universally unthreatening and uninteresting. Sigh. Come now. Theon's chapters were pretty drat good. Aside from that though I would not have felt let down at all if he just wrote up a one page summary of the rest of the book. -Jon gets stabbed -Tyrion rides a pig -Dany shits herself. And is a bad ruler. And criminally stupid. And farther away from Westeros than she has been since book one. Gad drat. gently caress Dany chapters. My last read though I skipped every single one in ASOS. It made zero difference in the story.
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:Like I said earlier, I enjoyed the book but I came away disappointed. I wanted far more movement and some of the stuff was plain pointless. He should be looking to start winding things up instead of shoving more crap in. I enjoyed it as well, but I guess I am almost disappointed because of all the stuff being "slow" in Slaver's bay. I really loved everything that we saw in the North. I'm now realizing that I think the Meereeneese knot was actually tying it, not untying it and getting everyone out of there (which I think we expected). Which matches more with what GRRM said about getting everyone there and when. How I see it from there: Meereen is now a powder keg ready to explode. Tyrion succeeds in getting the Second Sons back over to Dany's side. Dany re-invades with the Second Sons, the khalasar and Drogon and Victarion hits from sea with Barristan fighting / protecting from within with the Unsullied. TWoW can start out huge, then Tyrion, Dany and Victarion bond over Dragonbinder. Tyrion wins over Rhaegal and takes him to find his first dragon brothel. Victarion and Viseron spend their days making Drowned God and R'hllor floating sacrifices from the slavers captured during the sack. Dany heads to Asshai and the Shadow Lands. geeves fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jul 26, 2011 |
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Thought the book was ok (i never have high expectations these days). I do wonder about the slow pacing of the books as it feels like there are another six books to go before it finishes.  My favourite character lived through another book.... which is nice. 
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Jul 26, 2011 23:04
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That last Dany chapter makes up for a lot in my book. Everyone's favorite fantasy princess making GBS threads herself and menstruating on herself as she crawls along a stream in the wilderness.
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Just Another Lurker posted:
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euphronius posted:That last Dany chapter makes up for a lot in my book. Everyone's favorite fantasy princess making GBS threads herself and menstruating on herself as she crawls along a stream in the wilderness. I know that Dany is supposed to be barren after she lost the baby in GoT, but have they said that she hasn't even been having a period? They made such a big deal about her not realizing she was menstruating that I am wondering if this isn't supposed to be a sign that she is hot to trot again and ready to go push out babies like a good little queen.
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Rhymenoceros posted:Did anyone else feel the book wasn't that good? It was better than AFfC, but I agree it wasn't very good overall. The almost non-stop back-to-back Jon, Tyrion, and Dany action felt pretty awesome at the beginning but it felt more repetitive as the book went on.
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LastAshenHero posted:Just finished the book, ready to go WILD again. I agree, the book was absurdly long, hardly moved anything along, threw a goddamned Aegon plot in with (supposedly) only two books to go, and outside of Jon's last chapter, was universally unthreatening and uninteresting. Sigh. Jon's last chapter felt really dishonest to me. Seriously does anyone buy that he'll kill of Jon Snow at this point?
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Seriously, what's up with Victarion? He's got a blistered, smoking tribute to the Red God on one arm, some serious pull with the Drowned God, and a horn that can purportedly control dragons. He's got a huge fleet that is successfully loving the slave coast, and he's an enormous twat about Danaerys. Is he bringing her the horn as a lovely sideplot, or is this the guy we're supposed to be paying attention to? He seems to have more going for him than anyone else. Edit: with all these loving visions and prophecies and poo poo being thrown around, I am so loving confused. This was a deeply frustrating book, except for Jon. Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 26, 2011 |
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Koine posted:Seriously, what's up with Victarion? He's got a blistered, smoking tribute to the Red God on one arm, some serious pull with the Drowned God, and a horn that can purportedly control dragons. He's got a huge fleet that is successfully loving the slave coast, and he's an enormous twat about Danaerys. His two chapters, albeit short, were some of the most  and fun of the book.Capturing ships, partying with the red god, burning and drowning people left and right. Aside from the Theon arc(easily the best), my favorite chapters were all of the short arcs: Areo Hotah Jaime Davos Victarion Melisandre Barristan (even Cersei) and  Kevan
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You notice also that the horn seems to burn people from the inside? Hmm, who do we know who is apparently immune to fire????
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Liesmith posted:You notice also that the horn seems to burn people from the inside? Hmm, who do we know who is apparently immune to fire???? Not Quentyn.
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Cervixalot posted:Not Quentyn. Alright, I *did* love that the Frog got charred. Talk about the world's least interesting character.
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LastAshenHero posted:Alright, I *did* love that the Frog got charred. Talk about the world's least interesting character. I did love GRRM's signature subversion being applied to an earnest but naive would-be hero. What I didn't love was a mention every other page about how Gerris Drinkwater is a smug bro by Quentyn, Barristan and others.
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LastAshenHero posted:Just finished the book, ready to go WILD again. I agree, the book was absurdly long, hardly moved anything along, threw a goddamned Aegon plot in with (supposedly) only two books to go, and outside of Jon's last chapter, was universally unthreatening and uninteresting. Sigh. If he's unable to keep it concise, I'd rather have an extra-long book that still covers all the intended developments, rather than a short book that necessitates an 8th and 9th book, etc. I have a feeling this book would have been widely seen as fantastic by everyone in this thread, if we'd gotten the climax at Winterfell and the resolution of Mereen (burning it to the ground)
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lapse posted:If he's unable to keep it concise, I'd rather have an extra-long book that still covers all the intended developments, rather than a short book that necessitates an 8th and 9th book, etc. I agree, and I loved the poo poo out of ADWD.
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lapse posted:I have a feeling this book would have been widely seen as fantastic by everyone in this thread, if we'd gotten the climax at Winterfell and the resolution of Mereen (burning it to the ground) This is almost definitely true. I cannot for the life of me figure out why he moved these over to Winds. Two or three more chapters, and you have a FAR more eventful novel, and leave the plot in a MUCH better place -- a sense of actual uncertainty about what will happen next, rather than cheap "cliffhangers" with only one or two reasonable resolutions. It was a dumb move.
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He did the same drat thing with AffC. The Arya, Jaime, Brienne and Cersei chapters all felt like they could have been added to the end of Crows with little trouble. Instead we had annoying cliff-hangers for about six years.
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lapse posted:I have a feeling this book would have been widely seen as fantastic by everyone in this thread, if we'd gotten the climax at Winterfell and the resolution of Mereen (burning it to the ground) I agree with this. There's enough in the book to get me all excited, but it ends with stupid bullshit cliffhangers. I wanted more of a book 3, and got more of a book 4. It's alright, though, the new Dresden Files novel is out, so that should keep me occupied until GRRM finishes up Winds of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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LastAshenHero posted:I agree with this. There's enough in the book to get me all excited, but it ends with stupid bullshit cliffhangers. I wanted more of a book 3, and got more of a book 4. It's alright, though, the new Dresden Files novel is out, so that should keep me occupied until GRRM finishes up Winds of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA At least with Dresden, when Butcher left us with a cliffhanger... we could rest assured that the book would be out in under a year. For gently caress's sake, we waited years for aDwD, and we get loving cliffhangers at every damned turn. Sure, if an author is actually going to finish a book and write the next loving one in a reasonable amount of time, then hey, they are great, compelling even. The GURM is the slowest author ever, and we're left with not 1 or 2 cliffhanger plots, but just about ALL of them. Is Jon alive, if not, can Melisandra bring him back, and will she? does this mean 'his watch is ended?' What's going on at Hardhome? WTF is Dany gonna do now? Will the fight that seemed like it was going to start in a satisfying fashion... just about every time a Mereen chapter took place... ever actually start? Has Tyrion managed to turn the Second Sons cloaks AGAIN, and what exactly did he get them to agree to (we know they are taking his money, should he ever get it, but for doing what precisely, I doubt it's as simple as 'take Casterly Rock,' though that's almost surely part of it)? WTF happened at Winterfell? What did Ned Stark promise his sister... to return her body to the North... or to raise her son by Rhaegar as his own bastard? Something else? What happened to Theon (though, at least that arc was good)? At least Bran finally got to the 3 eyed crow, and Arya was left at a good spot, we got a good resolution for her with a prelude of further plot lines there. you can achieve a sense of suspense without just stopping a story right in the loving middle GURM. Musta Kraken fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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Liesmith posted:Dany is the prince who was promised according to Maester Aemon. Also possibly Jon??? The only candidate who doesn't have a PoV here is Griff/Aegon since there are supposed to be three of them and the only other guy in the running got set on fire. Hint: He is of the night. NFL free agency started, cannot wait for esteemed author and football enthusiast George R. R. Martin's hard hitting analysis.
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Rhymenoceros posted:Did anyone else feel the book wasn't that good? I thought it was kind of great?
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So assuming that Winds of Winter doesn't make them absolutely key to the plot, what bits of Dance with Dragons/Feast for Bros can successfully be left out of the television series? Right now I'm betting that they can cut literally everything to do with Dorne past the the Red Viper and his duel with Gregor. Quentyn's story arc accomplishes nothing. I did find him amusing as a character, and there was something novel about a group of dudes out on a journey that they are convinced they will tell their children about. It all added up to squat cause Quentyn just goes and gets himself cooked. And since Quentyn doesn't amount to jack poo poo the whole "fire and blood," reveal in Feast doesn't really mean anything. The show runners could conceivably cut it all out, or bring Dorne back into the picture in season 5 if they end up siding with Aegon. threeagainstfour fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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threeagainstfour posted:So assuming that Winds of Winter doesn't make them absolutely key to the plot, what bits of Dance with Dragons/Feast for Bros can successfully be left out of the television series? Right now I'm betting that they can cut literally everything to do with Dorne past the the Red Viper and his duel with Gregor.
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Azure_Horizon posted:Dorne is probably one of the most interesting areas and scenes in both Feast and Dance. Of course it is! Where Darkstar roams, adventure and glory follow.
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I wonder who they will cast as Daario, the bluebearded Casanova, in the show  e; Dorne is great, Quentyn Kainser fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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furushotakeru posted:I know that Dany is supposed to be barren after she lost the baby in GoT, but have they said that she hasn't even been having a period? I always suspected that this may not be the case, because they never came out and said she was barren, Miri whatever her name is just made a lot of allusions to it. IIRC (and maybe I'm wrong) Dany asked her when Drogo would be as he was before, and Miri went off on a long, "When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When your womb quickens. Etc..." So for all we know, it may be one in a million, but it'll work 9 times out of 10. Liesmith posted:You notice also that the horn seems to burn people from the inside? Hmm, who do we know who is apparently immune to fire???? 
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threeagainstfour posted:So assuming that Winds of Winter doesn't make them absolutely key to the plot, what bits of Dance with Dragons/Feast for Bros can successfully be left out of the television series? Right now I'm betting that they can cut literally everything to do with Dorne past the the Red Viper and his duel with Gregor.
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I don't really get the people who think that Quentyn's chapter didn't change anything. He released the Dragons, and do you really think that Doran Martell will just go 'Welp' and then carry on supporting Daenerys when he hears that she spurned his son (Who I think was his favorite child?) and indirectly got him killed by forcing his hand? Future conflict ahoy~ e; He could probably be cut from the show however, depending on how important Dorne becomes in the last few books. Kainser fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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Azure_Horizon posted:I found the point of Quentyn's arc, as I've said before, to epitomize the idea of words being wind. He finds that just because his father had a piece of paper, doesn't mean Dany would recognize his legitimacy. But I disagree with cutting out Dorne. Dorne is probably one of the most interesting areas and scenes in both Feast and Dance. I agree with you. Dorne is indeed interesting, but what has it added to the narrative or drama of the series? More importantly, what will it add to a television series that already has an impressive cast of characters and variety of locations. I'm thinking in terms of a production budget and a limited number of episodes to work with. There is no way they are fitting all of the stuff introduced over Feast and Dance into the series and still doing it justice. Some of this stuff is going to end up cut, and I'm just curious what you guys think the series can afford to lose. Knowing what we know of the story so far of course. Maybe Quentyn's death will end up being hugely meaningful to the plot? We won't know until the sixth and seventh books have dropped however. I think non book reading viewers are going to feel some fatigue/possibly lose interest if the main arcs of the story (The Others/Danerys and her return home) that are set up in season one still don't appear to be moving forward at anything past a snail's pace by the time season 4 (5 if they split Swords into two seasons) rolls around. threeagainstfour fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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Kainser posted:I don't really get the people who think that Quentyn's chapter didn't change anything. He released the Dragons, and do you really think that Doran Martell will just go 'Welp' and then carry on supporting Daenerys when he hears that she spurned his son (Who I think was his favorite child?) and indirectly got him killed by forcing his hand? What? I can't see this happening. Doran Martell is going to turn against the vastly superior forces of Daenerys, because she didn't honor a contract that didn't have anything to do with her, then Quentyn got himself killed -- when she wasn't even THERE -- because he thought he could tame a dragon? In no way did she force his hand. And no way a guy like Doran would pull a move like that on such a flimsy provocation, I think we've seen that.
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furushotakeru posted:They made such a big deal about her not realizing she was menstruating that I am wondering if this isn't supposed to be a sign that she is hot to trot again and ready to go push out babies like a good little queen. The big deal was actually that she couldn't remember when her last period had been, which heavily implies that she was pregnant and miscarried, either from mounting the brown mare or just having a cursed poisonwomb.
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:What? I can't see this happening. Doran Martell is going to turn against the vastly superior forces of Daenerys, because she didn't honor a contract that didn't have anything to do with her, then Quentyn got himself killed -- when she wasn't even THERE -- because he thought he could tame a dragon? In no way did she force his hand. And no way a guy like Doran would pull a move like that on such a flimsy provocation, I think we've seen that.  And yes, I could see Doran blaming Quentyn's death on Daenerys spurning him (and Dorne through him) and not having control over her dragons. e; That is assuming that there will be a major conflict between Daenerys and Baby-Aegon, which is what I am expecting. Kainser fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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