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Vox, I am back. I updated Sir Hiss on the arena site. Thanks for holding me a spot. Damned weddings and honeymoon get in the way of my Dwarf Fortress Arena fighting fix.
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Jul 28, 2011 15:20
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Jonis posted:And here I thought an elf with a longsword actually might have been pretty dangerous. Guess I should have known better. 
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Jul 28, 2011 16:32
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Spermy Smurf posted:Vox, I am back. I updated Sir Hiss on the arena site. Thanks for holding me a spot. Damned weddings and honeymoon get in the way of my Dwarf Fortress Arena fighting fix. Perfect timing! At this point, everyone should get their builds in ASAP. Only some eight fighters remain unspec'd, and looking at the user names, it's mostly some of our more extensive testers who haven't quite locked things down.
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Jul 28, 2011 17:44
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Vox Nihili posted:Perfect timing! At this point, everyone should get their builds in ASAP. Only some eight fighters remain unspec'd, and looking at the user names, it's mostly some of our more extensive testers who haven't quite locked things down. Clearly they do not understand that testing is for the weak and timid. Just slap some points on a chassis and toss him in the pits! What's the worst that could happen? Your fighter gets knocked out in round one (as half of all fighters will) and you become a spectator until the next season ~six months from now? That's why we have gambling!
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Jul 28, 2011 17:49
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Vox Nihili posted:Perfect timing! At this point, everyone should get their builds in ASAP. Only some eight fighters remain unspec'd, and looking at the user names, it's mostly some of our more extensive testers who haven't quite locked things down. In case you mean mine because I have a few points spare, I'm gambling on leaving some points for a little interest though I may change that if I lose my bottle but consider mine done for purposes of working out when to start.
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Jul 28, 2011 17:54
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Could do what I did and just get a halfway decent build, submit it for now, and then between the time before Vox announces his next fight, you can get a little extra testing in and hopefully come out a little better. Besides, the "simple" builds are surprisingly deadly at times.
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Jul 28, 2011 17:54
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Personally I think all the testers should be loving murdered. Cowards.
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Jul 28, 2011 17:56
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Shorter Than Some posted:In case you mean mine because I have a few points spare, I'm gambling on leaving some points for a little interest though I may change that if I lose my bottle but consider mine done for purposes of working out when to start. Nah, I'm referring only to people who haven't spent a single point.
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Jul 28, 2011 18:01
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I'm about to give up and just leave my barely tested bowbold build in place. I've managed to find a couple melee kobold builds that can survive against the basic human swordsman 1 time in 7, maybe 1 in 6, but I can't seem to do better than that. The trick is that you need to both have sufficient skill to not be parried in the first strike, and sufficient defenses-- either in shield skill or dodging, with preference for dodging --to not be killed on the first counterattack. It's a careful balance, and certain thresholds need to be met. Basically, there's just not enough points to manage it consistently enough. For the next tourney, I'm going to campaign for giving tiny races a discount for weapon/shield skills, just like they get for dodging. Alternatively, just increase their points across the board (allowing better equipment, for example). Iunnrais fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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Jul 28, 2011 18:19
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I'm gonna campaign for moose men!  Edit: Sorry, I mean moose people. 
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Jul 28, 2011 19:08
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Iunnrais posted:I'm about to give up and just leave my barely tested bowbold build in place. I've managed to find a couple melee kobold builds that can survive against the basic human swordsman 1 time in 7, maybe 1 in 6, but I can't seem to do better than that. Even in the event of a massive die-off in the first round, I don't really see even more points as a likely route for helping the little guys. There are, however, other perks that I am looking into. The [NOSTUN] tag is an especially interesting option.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:28
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Vox Nihili posted:I don't really see even more points as a likely route for helping the little guys. Yeah, for sure. Adding more points just means the little guys will cap out on useful skills earlier than usual and have nothing left to spend their extra points on.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:40
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The big perk for little guys is that they just get better and better in the tournament as it goes on in compared to big guys, who in comparison suffer a bit more from diminshing returns.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:40
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I'm curious, what were the two Ant-Women's skills, or did they go into the fight unskilled?
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Jul 28, 2011 19:41
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VladTheEater posted:Yeah, for sure. Adding more points just means the little guys will cap out on useful skills earlier than usual and have nothing left to spend their extra points on. But then they get to clad themselves in adamantium everything. Having said that it was believed at one point in the last thread that armour thickness scales with the size of the creature using it, was that ever confirmed/is it still the case? If so that's a really unfortunate (if kinda realistic) feature which means the little guys which really need more protection get less for their money.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:44
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Jimmy4400nav posted:I'm curious, what were the two Ant-Women's skills, or did they go into the fight unskilled? Atom Ant in Adamant's skills were: Level 3 Fighting (90 points) Level 4 Mace (300 points) Level 1 Biting (10 points) And items: Silver Flail (300 points) Adamantine Helm (600 points)
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Jul 28, 2011 19:46
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Jazzimus Prime posted:Atom Ant in Adamant's skills were: Okay, thank you. Did you buy the Adamantine helm because Ant-People have vulnerable heads or because it looks cool?
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Jul 28, 2011 19:56
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Jimmy4400nav posted:Okay, thank you. Did you buy the Adamantine helm because Ant-People have vulnerable heads or because it looks cool? Several reasons. Vulnerable head, looks cool, and it also gave me a gimmick that worked with my fighter's name.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:58
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Jimmy4400nav posted:Okay, thank you. Did you buy the Adamantine helm because Ant-People have vulnerable heads or because it looks cool? Why do they have vulnerable heads?
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Jul 28, 2011 20:01
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They don't, more than any other race anyway, he just doesn't want to admit that he spent 600 points on a gimmick  Impressed with how effective the pick was, can lop off body parts and apparently pierce armour as well, very tempting... e: and apparently I'm wrong. Dirty Frank fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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Jul 28, 2011 20:05
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Shorter Than Some posted:Why do they have vulnerable heads? Instead of internal bones, ant women have external chitin. This means that they lack skulls entirely. For most purposes, the lack of bones means they suffer much less pain and their limbs aren't crippled as easily by bashing weapons. However, head shots can do them in with even greater ease than most species. quote:Impressed with how effective the pick was, can lop off body parts and apparently pierce armour as well, very tempting... Picks aren't actually that great against armor after the raw changes. They still pierce inferior armor, though. Steel pick pierces bronze/iron armor, but will likely be deflected by steel armor. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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Jul 28, 2011 20:06
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Vox Nihili posted:Instead of internal bones, ant women have external chitin. This means that they lack skulls entirely. For most purposes, the lack of bones means they suffer much less pain and their limbs aren't crippled as easily by bashing weapons. However, head shots can do them in with even greater ease than most species. Okay, that makes sense, I might need to change something for my character.
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Jul 28, 2011 20:20
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Question: For large creatures able to wield 2-handed weapons 1-handed, are we allowed to arm them as such? A yeti with two 2-handed swords? Does having a weapon in each hand really provide any benefit (attack opportunities, whatever) aside from having a backup if your weapon arm is crippled?
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Jul 28, 2011 20:43
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Well, Dies Horribly has been created on the Arena website, so I'm ready to go. That fight was my first experience with the DF engine in about a year or so. Was I imagining it, or did dies actually wait around to ambush the dwarf? That's both hilarious and ethnically appropriate, two things it's nice to see Toady is still doing. Looking forward to the upcoming fights, and losing all my hard earned dwarfbucks on poorly chosen bets. On the topic of Dies equipment, I'm hoping high skill levels (in various... things) will overcome the shortcoming that is his chosen weapon. Thus begins the legend of Dies Horribly, Goblin Sapper. In ur mines, collapsin ur tunnels.
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Jul 28, 2011 20:51
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Halloween Jack posted:Question: For large creatures able to wield 2-handed weapons 1-handed, are we allowed to arm them as such? A yeti with two 2-handed swords? Yeah, you can use as many hands worth of weapons/shields as you have hands available. Supposedly a second weapon allows additional parrying chances and will probably give you a slightly higher chance of getting weapon attack opportunities, but I do not really have any definitive proof. I do know that you will definitely not attack faster overall. The new combat system is notable for making it easier to cripple hands/feet, so it is very possible that your fighter might be disarmed after being stabbed in the hand or something, so a back-up weapon is more useful than before. I wouldn't waste too many points on that sort of thing early on, though.
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Jul 28, 2011 20:55
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Doing some odd random testing while on the IRC channel I found a pretty drat strange build that really seems to take advantage of dual-wielding; sword/bow melee. Unfortunetly it's an illegal build for the arena.
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Jul 28, 2011 21:09
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Revenant Threshold posted:Unfortunetly it's an illegal build for the arena. Not if you're a strangler or ant woman!
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Jul 28, 2011 21:15
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Vox Nihili posted:Not if you're a strangler or ant woman!
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Jul 28, 2011 21:18
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The last six players who have not entered their builds have been sent an email reminder. Please get your builds together sometime today, if possible!
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Jul 28, 2011 21:32
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You testers make me sick.
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Jul 28, 2011 22:00
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Dang it Dwarf, you were suppose to trance! Aw well, we all know who was the best fighter in this battle Royal. Cretas Elfstomper will pour out Dwarven Ale for the honorable Biggs Manfighter, and will stomp the next Goblin he faces in his name!
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Jul 28, 2011 22:16
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Bozikek posted:Dang it Dwarf, you were suppose to trance! Aw well, we all know who was the best fighter in this battle Royal. Martial trances only happen when a dwarf fights multiple enemies.
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Jul 28, 2011 22:36
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Also Goblin supremesy, suprimesy, suerpramecy... ARE THE BEST!
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Jul 28, 2011 22:39
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LCQC posted:You testers make me sick. There's nothing wrong with testing a build to see if it's any good, and to see if you can make it slightly better by getting a iron sword over a copper sword. I will say that by now, the testers should at least have a build that is "good enough." There really are a lot of factors to take into this, and "the perfect build" isn't going to save you against that Yeti with a helm, armor, and lots of brawling that you forgot to test against.
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Jul 28, 2011 22:41
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I believe that these are the final results of the Battle Royale betting. If anyone thinks they see a mistake, please let me know, otherwise the player funds will be updated tonight to reflect this information.code:Jazzimus Prime fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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Jul 28, 2011 22:54
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e: beaten, apparently, but there you have it!code:code:
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Jul 28, 2011 22:54
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Shorter Than Some posted:Martial trances only happen when a dwarf fights multiple enemies. Fight report posted:In the midst of all this, Dies Horribly sneaks up on Biggs as the dwarf pulverizes his kobold foe. How will the goblin fare? Does this not count as multiple enemies? I know it doesn't always happen, I was just hoping it would.
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Jul 28, 2011 22:55
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Bozikek posted:Does this not count as multiple enemies? I know it doesn't always happen, I was just hoping it would. My mistake sorry. It completely slipped my mind that you were talking about the battle royale I have just been so focussed with building against one on one matches.
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I got the email saying my dude wasn't set up. He is now set up. Ready to fail spectacularly (I don't expect to make it past round one but I suspect that if I do, it'll be...quite something.)
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