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WouldDesk posted:You say it is "one-sided" so what do you want to hear? The reason why she murdered two innocent people? It can't be justified in any manner. I think he's questioning whether she actually did murder them.
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Plucky Brit posted:I think he's questioning whether she actually did murder them. The second murder, at least, is pretty darn conclusively her fault.
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It is not all in the documentary but after the book and the reports/reviews from the government came out the evidence is there. I don't know why I even watched it after I read over and over how  it was. Maybe I will watch Schindler's List to cheer me up later.
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Also for Dear Zachary, and I hate that we have to consistently bring this up since folks can't come to the conclusion themselves, but it's NOT a standard documentary and was never meant to be. The entire loving video started out as a video card for the kid when he grew up so he'd know his father. Then things just started spiraling out of control and the card turned into something out.
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Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I've always had a thing for the idea of taking a tiny boat out against all the elements and I recently watched http://www.channel4.com/programmes/schoolboy-who-sailed-the-world/4od (may not work for those outside the UK) and it was awesome. I've searched for them but they're really hokey "my local river" type poo poo. Something as awesome as sailing around the world must have some good docs attached but I can't find them. ps, watch that above mentioned doc. That kid is great and should probably kill his father because he's a projecting worthless rear end in a top hat who inadvertently gave his son the most exhilarating and DANGEROUS rite-of-passage any kid should get to satisfy himself.
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Just came in here to say this thread is awesome, and I am looking forward to wasting so many hours on a lot of these. I am sure I will gain many a pound on the couch. (gently caress, I have work and school is starting soon.) Can't say enough about Nature's Greatest Events (from page 4). It is about on par with Planet Earth and Life, if you like that sort of thing. I, for one, am in love with nature documentaries... seeing as I own Wild China, Ganges, Yellowstone, Planet Earth, Life, etc. etc. Seriously you should watch all of those.
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Rapacity posted:Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I've always had a thing for the idea of taking a tiny boat out against all the elements and I recently watched http://www.channel4.com/programmes/schoolboy-who-sailed-the-world/4od (may not work for those outside the UK) and it was awesome. I want to say it was the BBC who produced a show a few years ago where a crew of sailors do a transatlantic crossing on a 18th century man-of-war. Can't remember the name of the show. e: it was called The Ship deetron69 fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Aug 5, 2011 |
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I recently decided to start a nice blu-ray collection of nature documentaries. I started with Planet Earth and my list of upcoming purchases is basically what you have just listed (Life is next). Have you seen Wonders of the Solar System? Does it belong in the same caliber as the shows you listed? I can also recommend South Pacific (I think it's called Wild Pacific in some regions). It has some really breathtaking images.
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Rapacity posted:Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I've always had a thing for the idea of taking a tiny boat out against all the elements and I recently watched http://www.channel4.com/programmes/schoolboy-who-sailed-the-world/4od (may not work for those outside the UK) and it was awesome. Have you seen "Solo?" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1297301/ It's very very good. Only an hour long, but check it out.
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I saw a related video on one of the heroin documentaries, watched it and it was quite good. It was called Black tar heroin - the dark end. But the thing that was interesting is that 2 of the women featured in it posted comments recently, apparently they are both sober and happy now. I just love the internet, these comments were about a month or 2 old, from a 10 year old documentary, I think they are the only 2 who survived though. Still... that is quite the update, and it made my day.
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Rapacity posted:Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I've always had a thing for the idea of taking a tiny boat out against all the elements and I recently watched http://www.channel4.com/programmes/schoolboy-who-sailed-the-world/4od (may not work for those outside the UK) and it was awesome. Deep Water is a great documentary about the first solo sailing race around the world, one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs3Be0klAvA
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Outer Heaven posted:I recently decided to start a nice blu-ray collection of nature documentaries. I started with Planet Earth and my list of upcoming purchases is basically what you have just listed (Life is next). I have not seen Wonders of the Solar System. I know it's in a similar vein, but I haven't yet ventured into the "astronomical" documentaries. They do pique my interest though. I have heard of Wild Pacific but haven't seen that either.
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Does anyone have any documentaries about Judaism? Especially Orthodox or Conservative Jews? Or Jews in Israel? Thanks.
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Zorba the Greek posted:Does anyone have any documentaries about Judaism? Especially Orthodox or Conservative Jews? Or Jews in Israel? Thanks. I haven't seen it myself but Defamation is about antisemitisms effects on Israeli politics and is supposed to be pretty. Louis Theroux also recently made a doc called Louis and the Ultra Zionists in which he meets Jewish settlers in the West Bank.
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I looked through the list but couldn't find it: The Century of Self. It's a four-part documentary series investigating how Freuds ideas helped shape the consumer culture we now live in. More specifically it's about his lesser known nephew, Edward Bernays, and how he used the ideas of early psychoanalytic-theory to create the public relations industry, teaching the corporations how to influence people into buying consumer goods. It also covers a lot psychoanalytic theory and opposing theories as well as the historical conditions throughout the century. It's mostly compiled of old footage and interviews mixed with slightly bizarre and psychedelic music. Not exactly eye candy or relaxation material, but still very educational and properly done. imdb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/
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"Popcorn Sutton", moonshiner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Atwt_RMcA&feature=related This was on PBS recently featuring Sutton, who makes Appalachia moonshine in the old way. With methods passed down thru generations, etc. I couldn't find anything else on the documentary (which is around an hour long) but this clip. It was an interesting watch seeing this frail seeming old man, construct a brew tank and fire pit outdoors w/ the technique of a chemist and master mason. I don't drink, am not country by far, but this PBS documentary was really awesome. A good insight into American culture that's kind of tucked away in time. Saucy Slit fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 6, 2011 |
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CeeJee posted:Deep Water is a great documentary about the first solo sailing race around the world, one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. Stop what you're doing and watch this one now, it's great.
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Nermal posted:Stop what you're doing and watch this one now, it's great. Funny that you should just post this because I'm about to do just that. Thanks for the suggestions, peeps.
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Speaking of awesome documentaries: Cosmos is getting a sequel, to be hosted by Neil de Grasse Tyson. So mark your calendars, kids, because 2013 will be when Cosmos 2: The Wrath of Carl comes out. Just for shits and giggles, other titles they should consider: Cosmos 2: Cosmos Harder Cosmos 2: Nerds in Paradise Cosmos 2: The Destruction of Pat Robert Syn Cosmos 2: Supernova Boogaloo Cosmos 2: Because gently caress YOU, GOD Cosmos 2: Sagan in the Hood Cosmos 2: The Quickening Cosmos Too! The Rage: Cosmos 2 Cosmos vs. Zigra 2 Cosmos 2 Furious stray fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Aug 7, 2011 |
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Well, I just watched Deep Water and, yes, it was very good but I suppose it was limited by technology. They obviously chose to fixate on the demented no-hoper because they physically had very little footage of the actual goings on. When the film started I wondered how they were going to get any good footage given that they were travelling before gps etc and, sure enough, there was little actual film of any of the competitors. Hardly surprising given the very nature of the competition, solo. It's a pity that the winner and all around British hero wasn't given more than a few minutes coverage but I guess his brass balls hosed up the camera through interference or something. The best part was the loving french maniac choosing to just go around again LMAO. Meh, gently caress ze prize I juss wan to keep sailin, you know? Like I'll sail forezer and live off flies whish I just skim out of ze air wiss my gills.
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I agree, it was amazing. Truly excellent. I recommend it even if you have otherwise no interest in sailing. You think you could do everyone else a favor and spoiler that last paragraph?
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Rapacity posted:The best part was the loving french maniac choosing to just go around again LMAO. Meh, gently caress ze prize I juss wan to keep sailin, you know? Like I'll sail forezer and live off flies whish I just skim out of ze air wiss my gills. I really wish they had gone into his trip more. After going rogue on the race he sailed for another four months before stopping in Tahiti where he met and married a woman, worked on his book, and tried to be a farmer before up and leaving his life, wife, and newborn son in the same boat, eventually making his way back to Paris where he published five more books.
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I'm a big enthusiast of historical villains and scoundrels. I've seen the Idi Amin documentary a few times, and I'm pretty well familiar with most of the classic standbys (Caligula, Vlad the Impaler, De Sade, etc.). I'd love to learn about someone new, or watch a particularly unique one of a figure I'm already familiar with. I check in on this thread every month or so, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's been suggested before.
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:12th and Delaware is an HBO doc about a streetcorner with an abortion clinic on one side and a "Don't have an abortion" clinic on the other. A staff member from one falls in love with a staff member from the other, and then they get pregnant and have to decide if okay that's not true but it's still very interesting. Any more documentaries in the vein of First Person/Life on the Mesa/Theroux/Trouble in Amish Paradise? Meaning documentaries about outsiders or plain weird people that are made in a sympathetic light, without being too judging or 'look at these freaks'? Good thread.
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isaacelric posted:I looked through the list but couldn't find it: The Century of Self. There is no official source to view this documentary. It was broadcast on BBC4 in 2003, and the primary source for viewing it is a VHS recording someone made from back then. This taped program has been uploaded multiple times over the years to Youtube and Google Video. The quality is low. There are multiple bootleg DVDs of the program available on Amazon and elsewhere, however they are all sourced from the same VHS home recording. The BBC has never published the program to home video, presumably due to the dual headed monster of cost of clearances for the mountains of licensed footage used, and the nature of the documentary, which would add to the difficulty of obtaining clearances. I recently located a pristine copy of this program, sourced from someone who borrowed DVDs of the program from the BBC's library (you can do that!) and made a perfect copy from it. It's much cleaner than the one you're about to watch. Someone has compiled all four parts in one video on Youtube, however they've inexplicably cropped it to fit widescreen, making them very stupid people. Here are places you can view each installment in the correct format. Descriptions are taken from the Youtube above. The Century of the Self A documentary by Adam Curtis Part 1: Happiness Machines Part one documents the story of the relationship between Sigmund Freud and his American nephew, Edward Bernays who invented 'Public Relations' in the 1920s, being the first person to take Freud's ideas to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations how they could make people want things they didn't need by systematically linking mass-produced goods to their unconscious desires. Part 2: The Engineering of Consent Part two explores how those in power in post-war America used Freud's ideas about the unconscious mind to try and control the masses. Politicians and planners came to believe Freud's underlying premise that deep within all human beings were dangerous and irrational desires. They were convinced that it was the unleashing of these instincts that had led to the barbarism of Nazi Germany, and in response to this, they set out to find ways to control the masses so as to manage the 'hidden enemy' within the human mind. Part 3: There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads, He Must Be Destroyed In the 1960s, a radical group of psychotherapists challenged the influence of Freudian ideas, which lead to the creation of a new political movement that sought to create 'new people', free of the psychological conformity that had been implanted in people's minds by business and politics. This episode shows how this idea rapidly developed in America through "self-help movements", into the irresistible rise of the expressive self: the Me Generation. Part 4: Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering This episode explains how politicians turned to the same techniques used by business in order to read and manipulate the inner desires of the masses. Both New Labor with Tony Blair and the Democrats led by Bill Clinton, used the focus group which had been invented by psychoanalysts in order to regain power. Both set out to mold their policies to manipulate people's innermost desires and feelings, just as capitalism had learned to do with products.
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Lone Rogue posted:I can promise you that every single person I saw in the Loss Prevention office for the entire time I worked at two different stores never got their faces photographed by Wal-Mart or the Police. Most of them were let go as well. I can also promise you that Wal-Mart is a cheap company that would never spend money on that technology Even though you saw no pictures being taken, I can guarantee you Wal-mart uses the NRMA retail theft database - which just requires a scan of someone's license (so they wouldn't need to take pictures in the office). But I seriously doubt they'd let someone go without entering them into the database; even if they don't want to prosecute, they want to make sure they never inadvertently hire that person. I'm surprised more people don't know about retail theft databases, specifically the NRMA's database (the biggest one) - I found out about them working in retail, and was shocked. They're just a private organization that gathers together info on shoplifters from members (all the large chain organizations are members). When someone applies for work, part of the background check done is to see if they have a hit on the NRMA's RTD. They're like credit bureaus, and so they're governed by the same rules - which means any transgression follows you around for 7 years before it's wiped from the record. It's a bit intense to punish someone by cutting off their career options for 7 years, but, well, retailers are serious about this stuff. But yeah, no large retailer would just let people go and say 'don't do it again' - get caught at any chain and you're getting entered into the NRMA theft database. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 7, 2011 |
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The thread about To Catch a Predator reminded me of this BBC documentary following the UK Child Protection Team as they raid and prosecute people for possession of child pornography. Be warned that it's very depressing and upsetting in places. I can't imagine having to do a job like this and looking at the stuff they're describing without having a total mental breakdown. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jan2_police-protecting-children-1_people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jb49_police-protecting-children-2_people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jclk_police-protecting-children-3_people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jd9y_police-protecting-children-4_people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2je17_police-protecting-children-5_people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2je4f_police-protecting-children-6_people It's also notable because one of the arrestees featured is Pete Townshend. EDIT 2 : As well as the disturbing description there is also some (adult) nudity, so it's definitely  . Also they show some of the stuff they seize in censored form, which is still incredibly  .
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El Goatherd posted:The thread about To Catch a Predator reminded me of this BBC documentary following the UK Child Protection Team as they raid and prosecute people for possession of child pornography. Be warned that it's very depressing and upsetting in places. I can't imagine having to do a job like this and looking at the stuff they're describing without having a total mental breakdown. I haven't clicked on it yet, I'm not sure whether I can take it or not. But is it by any chance this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
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Rapacity posted:Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I've always had a thing for the idea of taking a tiny boat out against all the elements... If you can get over the hipsterish-ness of this video, it is pretty much in the same vein. http://vimeo.com/15351476 It's about 4 people who read a couple of sailing books, then spend a year (?) sailing the Caribbean. It's really well done, and pretty interesting too.
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Sleepstupid posted:If you can get over the hipsterish-ness of this video, it is pretty much in the same vein. http://vimeo.com/15351476 Yeeaaaaah, well, being British I'm not really familiar with "hipsterish-ness" but I made it nearly 20 minutes in and I just couldn't take any more. I'm not sure if there's a term for it but the droning, nasal delivery of the narrator just turned me off. It's almost monotone and so obviously being read from a script with absolutely no personality that I just couldn't bear it. Sorry.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Even though you saw no pictures being taken, I can guarantee you Wal-mart uses the NRMA retail theft database - which just requires a scan of someone's license (so they wouldn't need to take pictures in the office). But I seriously doubt they'd let someone go without entering them into the database; even if they don't want to prosecute, they want to make sure they never inadvertently hire that person. I wouldn't be surprised if they had access to use it but just never did. Mind you I'm just one former associate from two stores in Canada and I'm speaking from experience of one in particular. I saw people get grabbed, sat in a room with the door open half of the time, get yelled at, police threatened to be called, police called and police just escorting the person out. This was especially entertaining when they arrested someone who was really old stealing a can of tuna and every one looked down on the store and loss prevention, especially the cops. The one guy always had this deer in headlights look on him like he wanted to freak out because, "IT'S A CRIMINAL! THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE SITUATION, DAMNIT!" But yeah. Hey, does any one know if you can find "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" streamed anywhere anymore? I can't find it.
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El Goatherd posted:The thread about To Catch a Predator reminded me of this BBC documentary following the UK Child Protection Team as they raid and prosecute people for possession of child pornography. Be warned that it's very depressing and upsetting in places. I can't imagine having to do a job like this and looking at the stuff they're describing without having a total mental breakdown. I'm not saying it's a bad documentary, but just a heads up... it's painful to watch.
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the kawaiiest posted:Oh God, they actually show censored child pornography on this thing. I couldn't watch any further after they showed it. It's blurred and mostly censored but it's pretty clear what's going on and it's just terrible. Sorry, you're right and I should have put up an extra warning. It was broadcast on BBC1 originally and they received a bit of criticism for that. Like you say, even though it's very heavily censored, it's still incredibly disturbing. I can understand the editorial decision to do that though. It's not like I didn't think pedophiles and child pornography were bad before I saw that documentary, but seeing those images made it suddenly very immediate and real and drove home just how loving horrible this thing is.
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Cosmos 2: Because you still believe in Astrology.
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Rapacity posted:Could anyone please recommend a good sailing documentary? I guess this is only tangentially related and also gratuitously depressing to a degree, but here's a VBS tv documentary where they sail on a catamaran to the whirlpool of garbage and plastic in the middle of the pacific ocean: Toxic Garbage Island part 1: http://www.vbs.tv/watch/toxic/toxic-garbage-island-1-of-3 part 2: http://www.vbs.tv/watch/toxic/toxic-garbage-island-2-of-3 part 3: http://www.vbs.tv/watch/toxic/toxic-garbage-island-3-of-3 If it hasn't been said in this thread [, zed,] https://vbs.tv was born and bred for documentary cred. You just have to get past the fact that that one dude wants to be Ernest Hemingway hard (he's not in the garbage island ones, he's in the vice guide to Liberia and North Korea), and that a lot of the films are depressing as hell but also real as hell. I've heard arguments made either as far as presenting fair, unbiased viewpoints. --------- Ever wonder what happened on the last day of World War 1? Its not like German dignitaries signed the treaty of Versailles as their country was imploding and then BAM the war was instantly over - they had to have time to disseminate the fact that the fighting was going to end otherwise one side that was aware of the fact might have gotten steamrolled by the other side who was not. Many men still died on the very last day. This is a Michael Palin film, The Last Day of World War 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-280028869456988957 One of my favorite World War 1 poets died on the last day: Wilfred Owen visa vie http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html posted:DULCE ET DECORUM EST
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El Goatherd posted:Sorry, you're right and I should have put up an extra warning. It was broadcast on BBC1 originally and they received a bit of criticism for that. Like you say, even though it's very heavily censored, it's still incredibly disturbing. Edit: seriously though I'm not religious but sometimes I hope there's a hell. the kawaiiest fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 9, 2011 |
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Doppelganger posted:I'd heard that Pete Townshend's story is that he was doing his own independent research on child abuse and just got a little deeper than the law allows private citizens to scour. Any confirmation on this? That was his story, he was given a police caution and placed on the sex offenders register for five years. He actually produced this document discussing child abuse, child pornography and the internet: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/pete-townshends-child-porn-treatise%20#lightbox-popup-1
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The Scientist posted:I guess this is only tangentially related and also gratuitously depressing to a degree, but here's a VBS tv documentary where they sail on a catamaran to the whirlpool of garbage and plastic in the middle of the pacific ocean: Are you talking about Shane Smith? Yeah, he is channeling Hemingway, but I really liken his work. Especially his North Korea and Liberia documentaries are just stunning. Especially the part of the Liberia docu with General Butt Naked are just  . You wouldn't get an effect like this in a classic documentary.Two requests: 1. Are there any good documentaries on the spanish civil war? 2. Are there any good documentaries on the expat scene in South East Asia?
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