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Ganon
May 24, 2003

Wartime Consigliere posted:

Finished up Deadwood. drat it.

I started Sports Night and I thought I heard a laugh track once but I thought no, that would be stupid, silly, and completely out of place. But the laugh tracks go on. drat. In the first few minutes it's like The West Wing of Sportscenter, which would be great, but the laugh track is killing the good parts so far. I'm only about 5 minutes in.

The volume of the laugh track fades as the season goes on, and it's gone by season 2.

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Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

This post plus the beginning of the quote made me imagine Deadwood with a laugh track :psyduck:

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

This post plus the beginning of the quote made me imagine Deadwood with a laugh track :psyduck:

I made my own laugh track whenever Swearengen and Wu had a scene together.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe

Pahonix posted:

I just got through the first two seasons of White Collar, and for the most part, enjoyed the hell out of it. I can't stand the painfully obvious Ford commercial bits (HOLY poo poo CARS HAVE A BLIND SPOT), but other than that, it's a great guilty pleasure.

Some of these are pretty bad, particularly the ones with a close up on the call button on the steering wheel and poo poo like that. That show does some pretty bad greenscreening at times too. Nothing compares to some episode of Burn Notice I saw where they added an entire scene about some car that was sponsoring them. It had these ridiculous zooming shots of the car driving 40 on a highway and Michael reading some nonsense text about torque in a monotone voice, it sounded like the actor wanted to shoot himself.

Valence
Feb 24, 2004
Just finished watching Sons of Anarchy Seasons 1-3 this summer. I was leery of a show about a biker gang but it is so much more than that. Seriously good poo poo, awaiting season four this fall.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

Just got done with Stargate Universe.

I'm really disappointed it got canned. The first season I found was nowhere near as bad as was made out, and the second was legitimately good, that finale really left me wanting more. I'm actually quite gutted :smith:

I really liked the feel of the show. While the other Stargates had this deliberately cheesy self-mocking humor, Universe made the decision to move away from that and for me the more serious tone really worked, and it's my favorite of all of them. It nailed the sense of really being lost out there in the unknown, and I thought Destiny's mission when it was revealed, was compelling. Though I can see why some, especially those wanting it to be SG-1 again, wouldn't have liked it.

At least SGU left in a good enough position to be revived one day. In fact, due to the nature of the cliffhanger a very long hiatus would fit right in with the storyline. Is there any chance, any rumors or whispers at all, of this franchise ever coming back? It was getting really good again!

I just wish the more disappointing stuff like V and Falling skies had aired first so some of the more difficult to please people would have realized a good thing while they had it... nah who am I kidding. They'd have whined and raged and picked it apart and wrote their blogs and their forum posts just the same.

I'd love to see HBO do a hard sci-fi show but with the same calibre of set design, effects, casting, characterization, multi-layered plotting etc that we see in it's other premium quality shows, you all know the ones I don't have to name-drop them.

Superrodan
Nov 27, 2007
I'm four episodes into season 2 of The Wire for the FIRST time so this discussion is interesting to me.

I felt it was a bit slow at first, but by season 1 I was interested and now the evolution of the show in season 2 has me hooked. Like someone said earlier, it feels like the characters are all going to continue, and finding out what they are up to next is really cool.

Although the newer characters in the Sobatka family have mostly been mildly interesting so far (except Frank who is very very interesting so far), I remember that I felt the same way at first about characters in season 1 that ended up being amazing, like my favorite arc so far in the whole show, Prez. Plus, the episodes feel like they are paced better now, and actually end with things that make me want to immediately get to the next episode.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

I honestly thought your spoiler was going to say Aimee then.

edit: that was episode four wasn't it?

Mitthrawnuruodo
Apr 10, 2007

You have no fucking idea how hungry I am
Just pounded season 1 of Game of Thrones, and remembered why I only binge series' that are finished. Can't stand waiting! Gah!

So, what's next? Would like an hourlong drama, I guess. Seen West Wing, Lost, SFU, Sopranos etc.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Mitthrawnuruodo posted:

Just pounded season 1 of Game of Thrones, and remembered why I only binge series' that are finished. Can't stand waiting! Gah!

So, what's next? Would like an hourlong drama, I guess. Seen West Wing, Lost, SFU, Sopranos etc.

Ever see American Gothic? It only ran one season, but it's worth a look.

It's a good creepy drama. It's got Gary Cole!

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Mitthrawnuruodo posted:

Just pounded season 1 of Game of Thrones, and remembered why I only binge series' that are finished. Can't stand waiting! Gah!

So, what's next? Would like an hourlong drama, I guess. Seen West Wing, Lost, SFU, Sopranos etc.

The Wire, or possibly Deadwood. If you have the patience to get past relatively weak first seasons, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel are both very rewarding.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Cactus posted:

Just got done with Stargate Universe.

I'm really disappointed it got canned. The first season I found was nowhere near as bad as was made out, and the second was legitimately good, that finale really left me wanting more. I'm actually quite gutted :smith:

I really liked the feel of the show. While the other Stargates had this deliberately cheesy self-mocking humor, Universe made the decision to move away from that and for me the more serious tone really worked, and it's my favorite of all of them. It nailed the sense of really being lost out there in the unknown, and I thought Destiny's mission when it was revealed, was compelling. Though I can see why some, especially those wanting it to be SG-1 again, wouldn't have liked it.

At least SGU left in a good enough position to be revived one day. In fact, due to the nature of the cliffhanger a very long hiatus would fit right in with the storyline. Is there any chance, any rumors or whispers at all, of this franchise ever coming back? It was getting really good again!

I just wish the more disappointing stuff like V and Falling skies had aired first so some of the more difficult to please people would have realized a good thing while they had it... nah who am I kidding. They'd have whined and raged and picked it apart and wrote their blogs and their forum posts just the same.

I'd love to see HBO do a hard sci-fi show but with the same calibre of set design, effects, casting, characterization, multi-layered plotting etc that we see in it's other premium quality shows, you all know the ones I don't have to name-drop them.

They sold all the Stargate props. Stargate is dead until the reboot

iceyman
Jul 11, 2001

Finished Farscape (including Peacekeeper Wars) last week and wanted to capture some thoughts. Even though I enjoyed the ride, kind of glad that it is over.

As a whole, the series was a decent scifi space drama and I would recommend it to anyone looking for another show in that genere to fill the void. The production values are great, easily on par with the likes of Star Trek. I've read complaints of muppets/animatronics, but honestly it is used sparingly and looks fine. I can't imagine using CGI in place of the animatronics (at the time) on a TV budget. It would just look like crap akin to say Voyager's Species 8472. Animatronics allowed them to break traditional Star Trek molds and create truly alien creatures which was refreshing.

The storytelling was a pleasant mix of episodic stories and two-to-three parters with a more or less cohesive arc through out the entire show (omg wormholes!). Episodes which may have seemed one-off or filler actually had reprocussions down the road. And as a viewer, it was rewarding to discover these connections.

The writing never quite reaches the dramatic heights of say DS9 or some of the better TNG episodes, but Farscape's one true strength in this regard is the fun they have with their setting. They really have fun with your typical scifi tropes and rarely waste time with some technobabble explanation. For example, in the obligatory "body-swap" episode, you have a female in male body overtly flirting with another male in diffrent male body and he was receptive. Star Trek would never be so bold. There is no rigid command structure or Star Fleet protocols to follow. The crew is very rag-tag and rough around the edges with even a little treachery sprinkled in.

Now for the bad, Farscape had several sticking points that annoyed the crap out of me. The first and foremost being the main character Crichton is writer's mary sue. This never changes through out the course of the show. In 98% of the episodes, Crichton is the main focus and always manages to save the day. He is almost perfect to a fault despite being a fish out of water in BFE-end of the galaxy. The show is not an ensemble type setup like Trek where an episode may heavily feature only one or a select few of the cast. Every episode has a healthy dose of Crichton. Even if the episode story focues on one of the other alien cast members, they are always paired with Crichton (who probably saves the day in the end).

My second complaint is Scorpious. If I have to watch Wayne Pygram fake vomit one more time, I'll claw my eyes out.

Lastly, the Peacekeeper Wars mini was a rushed and an unsatisfying conclusion to the series. I'm aware of the drama surrounding the show's suddden cancellation and the hard fought for mini-series at least offered to tie up the story. But besides from the beautiful destruction porn at the end, it was a chore to sit through. I almost wish I never watched it. A 5th and final season would have been much more preferable.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
You are right he is such a mary sue as he was completely batshit insane. Also his plan went so well when he tried to change the past. Also Scorpius was awesome, but not as awesome as Harvey.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Superrodan posted:

I'm four episodes into season 2 of The Wire for the FIRST time so this discussion is interesting to me.

I loved the gently caress out of season 2, and it remained my favourite as I watched the rest of the series.

Plus I got to laugh at this!

iceyman
Jul 11, 2001

bobkatt013 posted:

Also Scorpius was awesome, but not as awesome as Harvey.

I adore Scorpius. He was indeed an awesome and enjoyable, and Harvey was amusing in his own right.

But I can't stand Scorpius vomiting. Any time they wanted to show Scorpius getting hurt, they had him spit up like a baby. Shot in the back? Barf! Scarran heat probe? Chunks all over the place. Aurora chair fun? Projectile vomiting. It was like a cue to let you know the situation got real and it just made my eyes roll after a while.

Favorite part about Scorpius. Crichton destroys all of Scorpious's wormhole work and the guys doesn't bother with revenge. Scorpious is above such petty things.

Didion
Mar 16, 2009
Bones. God help me, I'm binging through a procedural show and actually finding it captivating (about halfway through season 5).

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Cocks Cable posted:

I adore Scorpius. He was indeed an awesome and enjoyable, and Harvey was amusing in his own right.

But I can't stand Scorpius vomiting. Any time they wanted to show Scorpius getting hurt, they had him spit up like a baby. Shot in the back? Barf! Scarran heat probe? Chunks all over the place. Aurora chair fun? Projectile vomiting. It was like a cue to let you know the situation got real and it just made my eyes roll after a while.

Favorite part about Scorpius. Crichton destroys all of Scorpious's wormhole work and the guys doesn't bother with revenge. Scorpious is above such petty things.

That was sort of cool since he is not human he is half human have sort of bug like creature.

xeria
Jul 26, 2004

Ruh roh...
I took a break from Mad Men (finished the first season last week) to finish binging through Grey's Anatomy (yeah, I know). I got through season 5 a couple months ago and in the past week I've managed to get to halfway through season 7. Should finish it off this weekend and then I can get back to other shows.

ZombieSnot
Jan 2, 2011

Entrenched in nutritious rotting flesh.
Just finished Arrested Development. It's kind of hard to believe all of the praise and acclaim it received when it was airing, even tho it was always on the verge of cancellation. However after seeing it, I can say it was totally justified.

scr0llwheel
Sep 11, 2004
ohelo

ZombieSnot posted:

Just finished Arrested Development. It's kind of hard to believe all of the praise and acclaim it received when it was airing, even tho it was always on the verge of cancellation. However after seeing it, I can say it was totally justified.

Now watch it again and be even more amazed.

I'm almost done with the third season of The West Wing. This is my second watch-through and it's just as good as I remembered.

Saganlives
Jul 6, 2005



Just to add my two cents to the discussion of The Wire (I took a break after season 3 and now I'm about halfway through 4) everything about it being a slowburn is 100% accurate. That Charlie Broker review mentioned something that I didn't think of before and now totally agree with; that is that the show is presented much the way a novel is. We're so used to TV entertaining in thirty minute chunks, so when suddenly you're watching something that doesn't pay off until much later it throws you.

That said, when I first started watching the show I literally had nothing better to do so I had to force my way through season 1. I wasn't even really enjoying it. But once season 1 finished I found myself reaching for season 2 without thinking. Season 2 I honestly wasn't that into for a long time. I missed all the action on the corners and labor unions *YAWN*. But once things started focusing on Ziggy I was back in, and his complete and utter meltdown after he shot someone was the most heartwrenching and incredible moment I think I've ever seen on TV. (Tied, I think, with the last episode of Six Feet Under.)

I'm going to try and finish up the series soon here, so I can try and get my friends interested in it so I have an excuse to watch it all over again with a more critical eye.

Mr.Graves
Jul 23, 2007

by T. Finn
The second time you watch The Wire is the first time. The first time is just the teaser.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Mr.Graves posted:

The second time you watch The Wire is the first time. The first time is just the teaser.

So true. I'm a little embarrassed to say this, but know what the next show I watched after finishing season 5 of The Wire was? The Wire. Seriously, it's the only show I've ever done that with. I really did just go back and start watching it again (albeit more slowly) right after finishing it. I only meant to watch the first few episodes again, because I knew I hadn't taken those in very well the first time around, but one thing just led to another...

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib

Kyle Hyde posted:

Just to add my two cents to the discussion of The Wire (I took a break after season 3 and now I'm about halfway through 4) everything about it being a slowburn is 100% accurate. That Charlie Broker review mentioned something that I didn't think of before and now totally agree with; that is that the show is presented much the way a novel is. We're so used to TV entertaining in thirty minute chunks, so when suddenly you're watching something that doesn't pay off until much later it throws you.

That said, when I first started watching the show I literally had nothing better to do so I had to force my way through season 1. I wasn't even really enjoying it. But once season 1 finished I found myself reaching for season 2 without thinking. Season 2 I honestly wasn't that into for a long time. I missed all the action on the corners and labor unions *YAWN*. But once things started focusing on Ziggy I was back in, and his complete and utter meltdown after he shot someone was the most heartwrenching and incredible moment I think I've ever seen on TV. (Tied, I think, with the last episode of Six Feet Under.)

I'm going to try and finish up the series soon here, so I can try and get my friends interested in it so I have an excuse to watch it all over again with a more critical eye.

My girlfriend and I just finished up Season 4 and I have to say I really agree that it takes some time to get in to. I tried once before but got bored but I think this time about episode 3 or 4 of season 1 I was hooked. It really is one of, if not the best, show I have seen in a long time.

oxidation
May 22, 2011
Just binged through all of Castle. Now I gotta wait a month for season 4. :(

I was kinda iffy on procedurals in general, but Castle has such a stellar cast with such good chemistry that it's just hard to not like it. A lot of suspension of disbelief in some parts (mainly in the 'serious' episodes) but overall a very enjoyable show.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

loving God no. Wasn't worth watching in the first place. The finale was a slap in the viewers' face of historic proportions but its failures went far beyond that. It was a dumb, dumb show made by people who had no idea how dumb it was.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Watching Cougar Town. After a horrible start and awful name it has become awesome. I really liked the moment when they went through Jules yearbook and it has her dancing on stage with The Boss.

The Duke
May 19, 2004

The Angel from my Nightmare

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

Delete that poo poo so hard your remote snaps in half.

doctor thodt
Apr 2, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

Your DVR probably has cancer now.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The pilot episode of The Killing was pretty sweet.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

No. The pilot episode is promising but the show meanders around over a dozen red herrings before finally giving up on telling a coherent story. Any character development is destroyed by conflicting character actions to attempt to keep the trainwreck plot lurching forward. The show is frustrating to the point of exasperation and is terribly convoluted despite using several poor writing tropes. It is honestly one of the worst television shows I've ever seen, you're better off turning on some random Nickelodeon show for 10 year olds.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

The Killing is genuinely the absolute worst show that I've ever stuck with and actually watched for an entire season. In a way, that makes it even worse than a show that is just obviously bad that you give up on after watching the first episode of. The Killing actually had a good pilot, as has been mentioned, and seemed just promising enough that you sort of want to stick around and see whether it lives up to its billing - and plus, it's on a network (AMC) known for making slow-paced dramas that start off slowly and wind up paying off in the end.

So you want to stick with The Killing, and you keep expecting it to find its footing and get really good. Every episode keeps ending on some sort of cliffhanger that tantalizes the audience with the hope that events will get really interesting and pick up soon... But then it just doesn't happen. In fact, each successive episode just gets worse and worse, as you realize that's there's no rhyme or reason to the plotting or the characterizations - nothing really interesting is happening at all! Then, you start to feel legitimately betrayed as entire multi-episode arcs turn out to be total loving wastes of time!

At around this point in the series you're about 9 or 10 episodes in, and finally becoming aware that this poo poo is probably not gonna get any better at all. Yet, you still want to stick with it because the entire premise of the show is based around the reveal of an overarching mystery, and you figure that since you've invested so much time already, you may as well finish off the last few episodes. And even though I'm putting this part in spoiler tags I'm not even going to say another loving thing about the show because we all know what loving happened and gently caress that loving bullshit because I'm still loving pissed the gently caress off at Veena Sud and every loving person involved with that loving show for wasting my loving time and even though they're apparently going to pay off that reveal in the second loving season (bahahahah yeah loving right) I'd rather have my eyes burned out of their loving sockets with lighter fluid while watching the ten worst episodes of Star Trek: Voyager on repeat for all of eternity than suffer through 5 more minutes of The Killing.

So anyway, no. The Killing is probably not worth watching.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

And just to add: this is not like with Lost or Battlestar Galactica with a contingent of viewers who turned against the series at various points, whose criticisms are loud (and may be very legitimate), but are not fully representative of the opinion at large, since there remain many defenders. No, the vitriol you are reading is absolute consensus -- not only here but among professional critics and really anyone who cares about quality television. The Killing's greatest achievement is provoking unanimity like I have never seen in TVIV.

There is potentially one reason to watch it: it makes for a fantastic case study in the Dunning-Kruger effect.

KICK BAMA KICK fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Aug 15, 2011

Berkeloid
Apr 30, 2010

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

You may as well throw out your DVR now, it's been tainted.

thrakkorzog
Nov 16, 2007

Mister Kingdom posted:

I have The Killing on my DVR, but I accidentally overheard something about the ending. Is it still worth watching?

No. The Killing is just a really bad procedural. Imagine an episode of L&O: SVU, stretched out over an entire season. Then replace Benson and Stabler, with detectives who are horribly incompetent, to the point where you just want to yell at your TV.

The Killing was just a horrible show. Delete it from your DVR. Forget it ever existed, there isn't even an 'It's so bad, it's good,' angle. It's just a horribly written TV show.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
Okay, you've convinced me and I've deleted The Killing. It'll save me a dozen hours of suck.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Unless you were talking about the original Danish series that the US version was based on, which is worth watching.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Doesn't the Danish one have like 20 episodes? It has to have even more red herrings. And it's going on to its 3rd season now.

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