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The world would be a better place if all conflicts were settled in Quake.
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Iacen posted:The world would be a better place if all conflicts were settled in Quake. Not for me. I'd never get my way.
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Aug 17, 2011 15:45
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Edminster posted:I'm getting an Invalid Or Deleted File error Try this one! http://www.mediafire.com/?k67dohss7se3nyo
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Aug 17, 2011 16:23
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MikeJF posted:Not for me. I'd never get my way. I would get my way as long as the map doesn't have pitfalls. My mad bunnyhopping skilllzzzz are always thwarted by a lightning gun 
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Aug 17, 2011 16:45
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Well you're all probably familiar with the Scrolls / Elder Scrolls lawsuit Bethesda filed. Notch apparently wants to settle via Quake 3 deathmatches: http://notch.tumblr.com/post/9038258448/hey-bethesda-lets-settle-this
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Aug 17, 2011 17:32
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kidcoelacanth posted:Notch is such a goofball and I love him for it. I dunno, this bugs me in a way I'm having trouble difficulty putting into words. This sort of thing just hints of amateurism from Notch. Legal cases aren't ended by Quake matches, they are ended with big-boy things like court cases. Yeah, it'll cost a bit to deal with it that way, but that's what happens when you're an actual game developer.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:33
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Jelly posted:Well you're all probably familiar with the Scrolls / Elder Scrolls lawsuit Bethesda filed. Notch apparently wants to settle via Quake 3 deathmatches: Bottom of last page.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:33
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Ugh, sorry. I saw Minecraft on page 2 and I thought that was a newer tweet. You guys are quick.MisterBibs posted:I dunno, this bugs me in a way I'm having trouble difficulty putting into words. Personally I think Bethesda's lawsuit is frivolously stupid, and I think Notch should make light of it. And I hope if they turn him down he calls them scared. Jelly fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 17:37
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Jelly posted:I'm pretty sure Notch knows this is serious. If he can prevent it from going to court through a fun and inventive way, why not? Probably because Bethesda/Zenimax has already paid several thousands of dollars to initiate legal action and aren't just going to takesies backsies on the outcome of a Quake 3 game.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:43
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Quake III is way cheaper than lawyers. I wish everything was settled via Quake III. My divorce would've gone a lot better. 
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Aug 17, 2011 17:44
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I don't think some lawyer somewhere is going to give up on his dream of extracting money from Notch so he can play some video game he's probably never played before.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:44
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Al! posted:Probably because Bethesda/Zenimax has already paid several thousands of dollars to initiate legal action and aren't just going to takesies backsies on the outcome of a Quake 3 game. I'm not saying it will happen, but I don't see how Notch is actually hurting anything, and I think you guys are extremely uptight blowhards.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:46
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MisterBibs posted:I dunno, this bugs me in a way I'm having trouble difficulty putting into words. Oooohohohoho I'm sure he knows that pretty well. On the other hand, he might be able to spin this to be a PR disaster for Bethesda, and remember, 3 million people already bought HIS game and if out of that a million (or even half a million) spergs get pissed at Bethesda being a dick with Notch, and don't buy Skyrim, Bethesda lost a SHITLOAD of money. He might not want to go to court but he found the best way to probably put Bethesda in a kind of lose/lose situation.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:46
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Plus, what would Bethsada gain from this little challenge besides possibly some interesting press. The started the suit for a reason and I imagine anything less then changing the name of Scrolls or a large payout would change their minds. Even though I personally think Bethsada has no case. Shouldn't be able to hold legally binding trademarks over single words that could be used in numerous ways. I dread the day someone trademarks "Sword".
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Aug 17, 2011 17:46
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On the other hand, good PR for Notch, bad PR for Bethesda. Bethesda's best damage control at this point is to work out a simple deal with Notch regarding some footnote that it has nothing to do with Elder Scrolls and then to take him up on the Quake match for fun. E: gently caress me like 4 people all said the same thing at the same time.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:46
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Jelly posted:Ugh, sorry. I saw Minecraft on page 2 and I thought that was a newer tweet. You guys are quick. Always read the recent thread, and remember what the OP says that if something isn't IMMINENTLY new, don't post it.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:46
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Zorak posted:Always read the recent thread, and remember what the OP says that if something isn't IMMINENTLY new, don't post it. edit: Nevermind that I'm retarded and didn't even realize the first post on this page was about Quake. Jelly fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 17:49
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FidgetyRat posted:Even though I personally think Bethsada has no case. Shouldn't be able to hold legally binding trademarks over single words that could be used in numerous ways. I dread the day someone trademarks "Sword". Besides, didn't the courts finally tell Tim Langdell that he doesn't have trademark control over everything with the word "edge" in it?
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Aug 17, 2011 17:50
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MisterBibs posted:I dunno, this bugs me in a way I'm having trouble difficulty putting into words. Why waste the money and time when you can simply go to whoever has a problem with you and handle it like a grownup? Just because the platform to decide the outcome happens to be a game doesn't make it less adult-like. You seem to be falling into what society wants you to think is the way to settle things...free your mind man. Free your mind.
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Aug 17, 2011 17:51
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MikeJF posted:Not for me. I'd never get my way. E. dpbjinc on IRC fixed it as I was posting. [URL REDACTED] E. E. Looks like I broke something completely on my end of this, I sure hope minecraft never has a smooth user experience. SeXReX fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 17:55
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Chain world's being sent off to Abortion is yummy and the list'll be updated in a bit.
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Aug 17, 2011 18:25
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Ota_Himuro posted:3 million people already bought HIS game and if out of that a million (or even half a million) spergs get pissed at Bethesda being a dick with Notch, and don't buy Skyrim, Bethesda lost a SHITLOAD of money. Do you really think even half a million of the people who are currently saying I WON'T BUY SKYRIM NOW will actually not buy Skyrim because of this? Arkitektbmw posted:Why waste the money and time when you can simply go to whoever has a problem with you and handle it like a grownup? Just because the platform to decide the outcome happens to be a game doesn't make it less adult-like. See, that's just the thing. Adults don't solve poo poo over games of Quake 3, especially when said poo poo is about adult-level stuff like potential copyright issues. To even suggest it, though, and especially since he's potentially serious, makes me shake my head. And you're talking to a guy who does "random challenge to determine a result" on occasion with friends.* I'm not a lawyer, but couldn't Bethesda's lawyers point to this and say something along the lines of "He's not taking this seriously, judge, just award in our favor?" * Including a "If you want me to play online Starcraft 2 with you guys after laughing at me for liking single player, you have to get a passing grade on a 10-point lore quiz" thing, once.
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Aug 17, 2011 18:28
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MisterBibs posted:Adults don't solve poo poo over games of Quake 3, especially when said poo poo is about adult-level stuff like potential copyright issues. Not that I totally disagree with what you're saying, but it's not unheard of for "adult-level" legal disputes to be solved in a ridiculous manner. Years ago, Southwest Airlines was in a dispute with Stevens Aviation over the motto "Plane Smart". Instead of duking it out in the courts, the CEOs of the companies arm wrestled each other for the right to use the phrase. Seriously. I think Notch most likely intends for the match to be a settlement out of court, not any sort of actual legal thing. Lawyers wouldn't be (directly) involved.
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Aug 17, 2011 18:36
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MisterBibs posted:See, that's just the thing. Adults don't solve poo poo over games of Quake 3, especially when said poo poo is about adult-level stuff like potential copyright issues. You're right. And by adults you mean "people-who-take-themselves-too-seriously." All I'm saying is it would actually be good publicity for both companies. I dunno, maybe that's too "outside the box thinking" for "Adults."
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Aug 17, 2011 19:07
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Bethesda could actually gain some PR if they agreed, though. It's not professional or very serious. But it's something that appeals to the customers and the fanbase because it's a stand against the buttoned-down world of bullshit legal cases so many people already have a problem with. If Bethesda were to look at the lawsuit they've started almost reflexively and recognize their case was absurd, agreeing to this would be the best way to cover their asses in terms of PR. Gaming/news sites around the internet would run coverage of the story, that Bethesda was unorthodox and sporting enough to take him up on the offer. It would generate incredible buzz, and even if they lost it would be a graceful way of dropping the whole lawsuit which seems frivolous to begin with and has generated some backlash already. Doesn't matter if it's amateurish, it has the chance to be spun into great publicity. For both sides. In a way it's sort of a genius proposal, and Notch comes out ahead no matter what Bethesda's response is.
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Aug 17, 2011 20:10
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Bethesda are legally obliged to protect their trademark, in case someone else actually tries to copy their IP in the future they can prove that they've been actively defending it. Blame the legal system that makes this necessary if you must blame anything.
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Aug 17, 2011 20:13
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I'd respect both companies more if this matter was solved playing some game than some boring rear end court snoozefest. Loosen the tie and have some fun GRANDPA 
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Aug 17, 2011 20:13
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Vib Rib posted:Bethesda could actually gain some PR if they agreed, though. Just one problem. What happens when they want to file a lawsuit that has an actual basis? That person/company will demand that they be treated the same and allowed their deathmatch. And, should Bethesda lose, they have now lost control of actual intellectual property. Notch really has put them in a lose/lose situation. Doesn't change the fact that the lawsuit is bullshit, but Bethesda now has no way to withdraw gracefully.
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Aug 17, 2011 20:21
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Vib Rib posted:It's not professional or very serious... Doesn't matter if it's amateurish  edit: ItalicSquirrels posted:And, should Bethesda lose, they have now lost control of actual intellectual property. And strictly speaking, I know I could hop on IRC and find a few guys who still play Q3 who would be happy to kick Notch's rear end for an order of magnitude less than this legal BS has likely already cost Bethesda. I'd be surprised if they don't entertain this option (hiring... Q3 temps?), given that yeah, Notch kind of put them in a bad place. also, where did Bethesda get the idea to call something "the * scrolls" from? wouldn't poo poo like, you know, the loving dead sea scrolls be considered prior art? Straker fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 20:26
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Straker posted:I realize from the rest of your post that you're not actually opposed to the Q3 idea, but still, why would you be under the impression that it could ever be "professional" or "not amateurish" to try to extort money from someone for using the word "scrolls"? There's nothing inherently professional about trying to take someone to court, IP law is used grossly unprofessionally all the time Lawsuits and lawyers are the heighth of maturity and professionalism, no matter how seemingly petty or ludicrous; you just don't understand. It is how adults do things. Settling a matter via a friendly competition, on the other hand, is something that only children do, as we should look down upon it and scoff at it accordingly.
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Aug 17, 2011 20:31
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Scrolls is such a lovely name for a game anyways.
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Aug 17, 2011 21:20
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/\/\/\/\ Yeah to be honest I wouldn't have a problem either way this turns out. I'm going to buy Skyrim, and I like Notch because of MC. But I don't really care about Scrolls. A name's a name's a name.Shnakepup posted:Lawsuits and lawyers are the heighth of maturity and professionalism, no matter how seemingly petty or ludicrous; you just don't understand. It is how adults do things. Settling a matter via a friendly competition, on the other hand, is something that only children do, as we should look down upon it and scoff at it accordingly. you're my hero. At first I was like why did you do a 180...then it clicked. You have now entered the OUTER LIMITS! Arkitektbmw fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 21:33
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I don't know, I personally think that suggesting the case be settled by a Quake match is taking light of the whole thing. What's really going on here is that Bethesda is expecting an indie developer (although a wealthy one), to shell out thousands of dollars on lawyers because they think they can copyright a relatively common english 7-letter word. What's next? Valve decides to copyright "half" and "life" so no one can use those words anymore? Maybe they'll sue some poor college student. The right thing to do would be to take them to court, and send out a clear message that bullying people like that is not ok.
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Aug 17, 2011 21:48
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What's that mod that I keep seeing that gives you the ability to select any block from a gui that appears in your inventory? I want to build some random things while waiting for my friend's creative server to come back up so I figured that'd be a much easier way than using some sort of inventory editor.
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Aug 17, 2011 21:55
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Reive posted:What's that mod that I keep seeing that gives you the ability to select any block from a gui that appears in your inventory? Too Many Items. Check the modding thread if you have any issues with it.
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Aug 17, 2011 21:56
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Mulefisk posted:I don't know, I personally think that suggesting the case be settled by a Quake match is taking light of the whole thing. What's really going on here is that Bethesda is expecting an indie developer (although a wealthy one), to shell out thousands of dollars on lawyers because they think they can copyright a relatively common english 7-letter word.  Valve also has the trademarks for such unique terms as "Valve", "Steam", "Source", "Portal", and "Opposing Force". They even had trademarks on "Terror" and "Hostile Takeover" which they didn't renew. pseudorandom name fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 22:04
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So water doesn't push tnt anymore???? All of my cannons are broken!
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Aug 17, 2011 22:35
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tinaun posted:Abortion is yummy is next. Die quickly guys! I almost died immediately, too, so you guys won't have to wait too long.
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Aug 17, 2011 22:53
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pseudorandom name posted:
It's nice to have trademarks on things, like in Valve's case, if someone (in China) releases a GldSrc mod/game/executable called OPPOSING FORCE three months after Valve releases Half-Life: Opposing Force trying to cash in on some bucks in their wake. It would be Valve's decision whether they wanted to sue or not. Maybe the game wasn't even an FPS? Maybe it was a little tower defense game and they didn't feel any threat from it. Just as there is nothing corrupt or illegitimate solely in the desire to name a game something specific, there is nothing corrupt or illegitimate about trademarking a commonly used term or word. The corruption lies in the actual intent of the registrant/developer and the actions that follow in the years to come. moondust fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Aug 17, 2011 |
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Aug 17, 2011 23:49
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A Sassy Dog posted:It would be Valve's decision whether they wanted to sue or not. Maybe the game wasn't even an FPS? Maybe it was a little tower defense game and they didn't feel any threat from it. 1) actively use it yourself 2) defend it from becoming genericized Often you don't have a choice to not send someone a legal cease-and-desist when it involves trademark, even if it's a little indie studio making a tower defense game. If Bethesda owns a trademark for "Elder Scrolls" is the area of "video game title", it is actively harmful to them for someone else to use "Scrolls" as their video game title. If they don't make any objection to this, when someone else makes a game called "Ancient Scrolls" a year later, then either Bethesda or Mojang would have a more difficult time preventing it. Bethesda would be in danger of losing their trademark, something which is pretty valuable to them, being the supertitle to a very successful franchise. quote:The corruption lies in the actual intent of the registrant/developer and the actions that follow in the years to come. --- In this case, what would be best for both parties would be if they enter into some sort of legal agreement about the mark where both win. IE Mojang surrenders the mark to bethesda subsidiary to their "Elder Scrolls" mark, and bethesda licenses it back to them. Good PR for bethesda, and Mojang doesn't have to rename their game. I would bet that was what happened in the Southwest case linked above, behind the scenes in the legal departments. Do the quake-off thing as well, just like the Southwest arm wrestling. Great cross-promotion for zenimax (owns id), maybe bethesda can bring some id guys into the game.
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