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Unzip and Attack posted:Don't remember the actual quote, but it's something to the effect of him trying to earn Rhaegar's love. To me the quote didn't seem to mean gay butt love, more like trying to earn his respect and esteem, but hey, that's just, my opinion man. quote:Griffin’s Roost had been his, eventually, if only for a few short years. From here, Jon Connington Just a devoted bro, reminiscing about his platonic ~@~ silver prince ~@~ 
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Unzip and Attack posted:Don't remember the actual quote, but it's something to the effect of him trying to earn Rhaegar's love. To me the quote didn't seem to mean gay butt love, more like trying to earn his respect and esteem, but hey, that's just, my opinion man. Yeah it's pretty doubtful Connington is meant to be gay, the passage explains he just wanted Rhaegar's love/respect and people are overreacting. Connington wanted to be a man like Rhaegar, not in a man like Rhaegar.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:05
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Yeah see this is why the TV show added chest shaving and blowjob noises. Jon Connington is cask-strength Targ gay.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:10
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"rose too high" come on guys it's obvious what is meant here. And the star he tried to grasp? Yeah a butthole looks like a brown star. Connington is hard gay, no doubts about it.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:30
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Quantify! posted:"rose too high" come on guys it's obvious what is meant here. This is cute but the length people will go to to not recognize a really, really obvious unrequited gay male crush in a series where no one blinks at lezzing-out with the handmaid or myrish swamps is pretty ridiculous.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:39
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Kung Fu Jesus posted:Also, what is the evidence that Connington is gay? That also flew right past me. "His beautiful silver hair glittering in the sun"  I don't have the book at hand to check the exact phrasing, but I remember that the passage just screamed "erotic love" to me. Also, the Gurm's comment when asked about it was "good guess".
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Saul Goode posted:I had a theory about Craster, that in fact he was the one responsible for creating the latest wave of Others. He refers to himself as a 'holy man' a few times who doesnt need to fear the others, implying there is a religion which is on the side of the others, I wonder if it's one of the one's we've met so far and if that's going to be a big reveal next book..
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Aug 21, 2011 23:46
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YES bread posted:This is cute but the length people will go to to not recognize a really, really obvious unrequited gay male crush in a series where no one blinks at lezzing-out with the handmaid or myrish swamps is pretty ridiculous.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:50
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Penny is gay too, and a man, did.you miss that as well?
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Aug 21, 2011 23:57
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All the people in this book series who are gay just in case you guys missed it: Renyl Loras Lord Connington Dolorous Edd Pyp Ser Barristan Varys The Blackfish
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Aug 22, 2011 00:02
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Quantify! posted:don't notice one line in the book about how nice Rhaegar's hair was. Yes it was one line and definitely not several extremely blatant instances of the character reflecting on past events in such a way as to lead you to believe he had strong romantic feelings for Rhaeger  It's in actuality a finely crafted super mystery to reward astute readers and not totally obvious.
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Aug 22, 2011 00:08
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YES bread posted:Yes it was one line and definitely not several extremely blatant instances of the character reflecting on past events in such a way as to lead you to believe he had strong romantic feelings for Rhaeger I mean maybe this is dismissive of gay people as a whole or something I dunno why you're so defensive about it. If Sam falls in love with a baker boy in Oldtown and they make fat doughy love I'd probably be happy that Sam progressed a bit as a character more than anything. Bring on the gays! But I don't see how a person not noticing every little detail in the books is that bad.
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Proposition Joe posted:All the people in this book series who are gay just in case you guys missed it: You somehow missed the (former) gay whore on the watch 
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furushotakeru posted:You somehow missed the (former) gay whore on the watch
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Quantify! posted:Sorry but I didn't really care about the character so I didn't care about who he wanted to gently caress. If you don't give a poo poo about it why post about it at all then? And it's bad because it's not actually a little detail tucked away like lemoncakes for the winter, it's obvious and a big motivation for the character. How are people having a conversation about the book when basic stuff like that flies over their heads so easily?
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Proposition Joe posted:All the people in this book series who are gay just in case you guys missed it: But Barristan and Edd are super cool, so they can't be gays
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Aug 22, 2011 00:21
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Quantify! posted:But I don't see how a person not noticing every little detail in the books is that bad.
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Dr I am a Doctor posted:But Barristan and Edd are super cool, so they can't be gays Barristan and Edd are hard gay, sorry bro.
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Aug 22, 2011 00:24
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NihilCredo posted:It's perfectly fine if you miss something (hell, I missed R+L=J). But if you also try to act smugly condescending from your position of cluelessness, expect to get slapped down. People come up with stuff like "Varys is a Targaryen" from the weirdest lines in the books. I was poking fun at that kind of attitude that overexamines the text, that's all. Sorry if anyone got personally offended because I didn't take your Connington is gay for Rhaegar theory as seriously as you. Let's all be bros again.
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I continue to be baffled at how you think "reading the text" constitutes overexamination, but then again plenty of ASOIAF fans were shocked and upset that they turned Renly into a gay! for the HBO series, so maybe it's my fault for expecting too much. 
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Barristan is like soft gay, everyone in this book is a homosexual
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YES bread posted:I continue to be baffled at how you think "reading the text" constitutes overexamination, but then again plenty of ASOIAF fans were shocked and upset that they turned Renly into a gay! for the HBO series, so maybe it's my fault for expecting too much. I pick up a lot more on the re-reads. I'm sure after long enough with the book I'll be explaining the finest details to everyone else. Like my whole Varys theory that I worked out independently and is the best explanation for him ever. Yeah, I have some brilliant analytical skills as applied to fantasy novels.
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Selmy and Edd are gay? Where's the evidence for those claims? I'm not trying to be argumentative; I just never noticed an indication that those dudes like dudes.
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YES bread posted:I continue to be baffled at how you think "reading the text" constitutes overexamination, but then again plenty of ASOIAF fans were shocked and upset that they turned Renly into a gay! for the HBO series, so maybe it's my fault for expecting too much. I am baffled BAFFLED MY GOOD MAN that you interpret something differently than I. It must mean you hate the gays. Not me, I love them. See them everywhere.
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YES bread posted:If you don't give a poo poo about it why post about it at all then? And it's bad because it's not actually a little detail tucked away like lemoncakes for the winter, it's obvious and a big motivation for the character. How are people having a conversation about the book when basic stuff like that flies over their heads so easily? Oh come on in no way does knowing this detail require a desire to talk about the book. Connington is loyal to the old dynasty, why would who he wanted or wants to gently caress have anything to do with anything in 300 AL? You're being way too umbraged about this.
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Kung Fu Jesus posted:Also, what is the evidence that Connington is gay? That also flew right past me. He has Gayscale.
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hellbastard posted:He has Gayscale.
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So I finally found time to finish the book and was disappointed that neither the Mereen conflict or the battle for Winterfell reached any kind of meaningful conclusion. Nothing. See you again in another 5 years! I almost want to go back and figure out when this series turned into "Long Drawn-Out Medieval Anime: The Book". I bet entire second half of the next book is going to be Daenerys screaming "ArrrggggGGGHHHHH!!!" as she powers up for page after page interspersed with elaborate descriptions of the dust swirling around her and the food people are eating as they look on. Then on the last page she'll finally go Dragon Rider level 2 and say some one-liner to the Yunkish captain before the series ends abruptly for another several years. I look back through the older books and something crazy happens at the end of almost every chapter. I read the last two books and it's implied that something crazy is about to happen at the end of each chapter. Then maybe it might actually happen 400 pages later, maybe. and I fall for it every time.
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I overlooked Connington being gay but the evidence in this thread has swayed me. On the other hand I never saw anything indicating that Barristan, Dolorous Edd or Varys were gay. I tend to be pretty skeptical in my interpretation of these things, and for instance Loras/Renly was something that was expressed as rumor in the books and I assumed was made more explicit in the show to make it all the more salacious. But these other guys? Folks just because they've been celibate for however long doesn't make them gay. Barristan is obviously a guy who takes his duty very seriously and, from what I recall had some kind of a crush on a noble lady when he was young that didn't work out. Not gay.
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NihilCredo posted:It's perfectly fine if you miss something (hell, I missed R+L=J). But if you also try to act smugly condescending from your position of cluelessness, expect to get slapped down. I was undecided about Connington being gay but thought it was a possibility. Does that mean I lose your permission to continue posting in the thread? Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Proposition Joe posted:All the people in this book series who are gay just in case you guys missed it:
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Good Citizen posted:Didn't Hother Umber (Whoresbane) receive his nickname after killing a male prostitute, as well? For sleeping with his female prostitute. 
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Proposition Joe posted:All the people in this book series who are gay just in case you guys missed it: Where does it say Dolorous Edd is gay? I never thought of him that way.
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Lester B. Pearson posted:Where does it say Dolorous Edd is gay? I never thought of him that way. Well, if you didn't catch it then supposedly you have no idea what this series is about and really shouldn't be distracting the rest of the enlightened with your blatantly homophobic ignorance.
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Lester B. Pearson posted:Where does it say Dolorous Edd is gay? I never thought of him that way. I guess your not gay then. e: but yeah 'dolorous' is a pretty big hint
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FYI I was never accusing people of being homophobic, just bad at reading, so everyone who's upset about the Big Mean Homo Agenda  can crawl down off their crosses now, it's safe!
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YES bread posted:FYI I was never accusing people of being homophobic, just bad at reading, so everyone who's upset about the Big Mean Homo Agenda oh thanks for clearing that up. there's no agenda? but there is a post where you basically equate not catching JCon being gay (based on one flashback BTW) to being a complete fuckwit who has no business reading the series or discussing it. methink you dost protest too much, or at least focus on one very particular detail, to the exclusion of hundreds of others, to make your argument.
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YES bread posted:FYI I was never accusing people of being homophobic, just bad at reading, so everyone who's upset about the Big Mean Homo Agenda YES bread posted:This is cute but the length people will go to to not recognize a really, really obvious unrequited gay male crush So if the people "willing to go to" such lengths to purposefully not recognize a character's homosexuality aren't motivated by homophobia, what magical force is guiding them?
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