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I forgive WoK being super heavy on exposition just because it's the first book of a huge planned series, and if you've read his other books (especially Mistborn) you know that Sanderson plans his poo poo. To a ridiculously detailed degree. I am very confident that it will pay off in the end, unlike ASOIAF which Gurm clearly does not plan.
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Sanderson's set up a new forum. I can't believe I was able to register as Kaladin! http://www.17thshard.com/forum/ Waiting another year for The High Prince of War is gonna suck. 
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Aug 26, 2011 05:17
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Charlz Guybon posted:Sanderson's set up a new forum. I can't believe I was able to register as Kaladin! Yeah, that must be brand new. I got in as Vin.
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Aug 26, 2011 06:38
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IRQ posted:I am very confident that it will pay off in the end, unlike ASOIAF which Gurm clearly does not plan. Not to derail too much, but I think GRRM definitely has an overall plan, but he doesn't plan all of the subplots and such beforehand, which is why the series has expanded so much past its originally-planned three-book structure.
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Aug 26, 2011 07:27
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To contribute a bit to the derail... Gurm may have reinforced that trend, but he didn't start it! 
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Aug 26, 2011 07:35
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There are two basic kinds of writers, outliners and discovery writers. Everyone exists somewhere on that continuum, and it's really hard to do the opposite. Sanderson is a heavy outliner, GRRM is a discovery writer. He knows the ending of the story and major plot points so he knows where to go, but he doesn't have an outline or any notes. I'm an outliner so I'm constantly amazed how well ASOIAF is tied together with zero notes and outline. I can't imagine being able to do that.
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Aug 26, 2011 07:47
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Kreeblah posted:Yeah, that must be brand new. I got in as Vin. Managed to snag Kelsier. 
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Aug 26, 2011 12:51
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It's kind of odd, but I actually am finding Sarene to be the least annoying "perky princess" out of all of Sanderson's books so far. Considering how much is writing has improved since Elantris, it's kind of odd how much better Sarene is than Shallan, who sucked.
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Aug 27, 2011 12:33
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Aug 27, 2011 12:46
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omnibobb posted:I got Hoid. You lucky bastard 
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Aug 27, 2011 22:50
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Finished WoK today after a marathon afternoon session. What a great climax. I'm glad we got some resolution to certain plot threads while leaving enough hanging to set up the story for the next leg of the series, and dealing with GRRM has made a year wait seem not that bad by comparison, especially since we know Sanderson is good for his deadlines. The appearance of the Herald at the end was a surprise, and I kept expecting Dalinar to get GRRMed right until the very end, and while that's still a possibility (especially with how the last Szeth chapter ends) I'm kind of glad it wasn't resolved in this book. The one really weird thing for me was the revelation (if you could call it that) of Shallan's shardblade. The reference is kind of snuck in at one point and I don't remember it coming up again, unless I missed something... I was reading pretty fast by the end. The confession of her father's murder was kind of the same thing--it was admittedly telegraphed before, but I thought it would be a bigger deal. Something for later volumes of the series, I guess. I'll probably go back to Malazan now but those books are just so different in tone that I think I need to give myself a little time first...
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patricius posted:I'll probably go back to Malazan now but those books are just so different in tone that I think I need to give myself a little time first... Journey before destination.
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Aug 28, 2011 03:04
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patricius posted:Finished WoK today after a marathon afternoon session. What a great climax. I'm glad we got some resolution to certain plot threads while leaving enough hanging to set up the story for the next leg of the series, and dealing with GRRM has made a year wait seem not that bad by comparison, especially since we know Sanderson is good for his deadlines. The appearance of the Herald at the end was a surprise, and I kept expecting Dalinar to get GRRMed right until the very end, and while that's still a possibility (especially with how the last Szeth chapter ends) I'm kind of glad it wasn't resolved in this book. Brandon has said that Dalinar will probably be the main character of book 2 and that if so it will be titled The High Prince of War
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Aug 29, 2011 03:37
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omnibobb posted:I got Hoid. Szeth here, pretty surprised really
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Aug 29, 2011 04:21
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Charlz Guybon posted:Brandon has said that Dalinar will probably be the main character of book 2 and that if so it will be titled The High Prince of War Hopefully it will flesh out the stuff about his wife and his memory loss, and also explain about the weird wish magic.
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Aug 29, 2011 04:25
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quiggy posted:I just finished the Mistborn trilogy last night and need to talk about the ending. drat that was a good series. The mist didn't just start gathering then, they were an occurance since Ruin's prison was built. Ruin manipulated texts to make it seem as if the deaths from snapping were more severe than they were and at the same time using what power he could use on the world itself to increase the crop failure to create an impending doom that wasn't really happening.
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Aug 29, 2011 15:59
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I snagged Ruim. Just kidding I managed to get Maytag. Ruin is still available as is Ruim. Although I think going with a name from one of his series is pretty dumb. Also the admin for the forums seems like a huge spazz. Ahaha people wearing loving mistcloaks. Maytag fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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Aug 30, 2011 05:40
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Maytag posted:I snagged Ruim. i don't really care about the name, but i just know that there's someone out there fuming that he can't be szeth anymore.
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Aug 30, 2011 18:46
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Oh snap, from Facebook:quote:Dang. I just pulled off something in #AMoL that is GRRM-esque. I'm not certain if I should apologize, feel awesome, or go take a shower. Calling it now: It may have taken him eight or nine books to get there, but he finally raped someone with a sword while their entire family watched, and then launched Jesus into the sun on a rocket made out of the blood of virgins. And also killed everyone in the entire series that we loved.
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Aug 31, 2011 13:21
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Someone came into a bag of lemons, then made a cake with them.
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Aug 31, 2011 17:02
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The only rapist we know of is Daved Hanlon who in all improbability is still alive, so
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Aug 31, 2011 18:05
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He's doing a reddit IAmA on the fantasy subreddit today for anyone interested at 2:00 to 6:00EST (40 mins from the time of this post). Link
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Aug 31, 2011 18:17
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neongrey posted:Someone came into a bag of lemons, then made a cake with them. Well I can't wait to read that!
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Aug 31, 2011 18:20
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Obviously it's going to be "The more she tugged, the more she shat."
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Aug 31, 2011 18:59
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I just finished up the Mistborn trilogy. From the first book, I kept hearing Kelsier as Sterling Archer, Sazed as Woodhouse, and Breeze as Ray Gillette. I'm curious if there was any significance to the body of the red haired boy that appeared after Vin and Ruin died. I can't remember if that body fit any descriptions of anyone else that had come before. Has Brandon Sanderson commented on the unused metals at all?
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TenaciousJ posted:I just finished up the Mistborn trilogy. From the first book, I kept hearing Kelsier as Sterling Archer, Sazed as Woodhouse, and Breeze as Ray Gillette. That was Ati, the holder of the Ruin shard. Leras, the original holder of Preservation, died earlier in the book and none of the characters saw it. Vin and Ati's corpses show up because they died and in so doing released their holds on the shards. Sanderson has given a full list of the 16 metals and he is putting them to use in Alloy of Law.
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arioch posted:Sanderson has given a full list of the 16 metals and he is putting them to use in Alloy of Law. And then there's the intended use for Larasium, which he STILL hasn't told us anything about 
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Aug 31, 2011 22:09
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arioch posted:That was Ati, the holder of the Ruin shard. Leras, the original holder of Preservation, died earlier in the book and none of the characters saw it. Vin and Ati's corpses show up because they died and in so doing released their holds on the shards. Did I gloss over something? The names Ati and Leras aren't bringing anything to mind.
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TenaciousJ posted:Did I gloss over something? The names Ati and Leras aren't bringing anything to mind. I don't think the names were in the book. Atium and lerasium come from them though.
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404GoonNotFound posted:And then there's the intended use for Larasium, which he STILL hasn't told us anything about Er, isn't Lerasium the metal that makes normal people a full mistborn? You mean that wasn't the intended use? I mean I guess he didn't tell us what happens if you tried to burn it as an Allomancer, or used it in Feruchemy, there's that. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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Well, just finished Elantris, and really enjoyed it. I blazed through the second half of the book when everything kind of came together. I'll reiterate, though...Sarene was by far the best female character Sanderson has written. I find it interesting that as his writing style has improved, his ability to write compelling females has gone through the floor. Overall, I have to say that my favorite Sanderson novels are his standalones, in a way because they just feel tighter and better built. The Mistborn novels were decent, but actually probably my least favorite books out of everything he's written so far, and Way of Kings isn't really easy to judge because so much is left unfinished, waiting for the next ones. Warbreaker was great, and I loved Elantris as well. Overall there were a few too many deus ex machina kind of moments, and some of the stuff felt a little tacked on, but overall I'm still impressed with how early he sets up things that come into play at the end and such, and how well he layers in characters and such. I really liked Hrathen, and even though Sarene and Raoden had a bit of a Mary Sue thing going on (both super talented, super brilliant, attractive, etc) I liked them both, and their romance was great. I think the only thing about the book that I don't really buy is the fall of Elantris in the first place, and why it happened. I mean, if the Elantrians learned how to tap into the Dor in the first place by modelling it after the lay of the land/the city/etc, why didn't it occur to a SINGLE one of them that "hey, that new giant rift in the ground might effects our Aons!" I don't know...Seemed a bit odd, like Elantris was a city full of superpowerful morons. Also, why the hell does everyone love Hoid so much? I kept waiting for him to do something awesome, based on posts in this thread, but el zilcho.
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't think the names were in the book. Atium and lerasium come from them though. They are, it might just be in the chapter post scripts though.
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A Nice Boy posted:I think the only thing about the book that I don't really buy is the fall of Elantris in the first place, and why it happened. I mean, if the Elantrians learned how to tap into the Dor in the first place by modelling it after the lay of the land/the city/etc, why didn't it occur to a SINGLE one of them that "hey, that new giant rift in the ground might effects our Aons!" I don't know...Seemed a bit odd, like Elantris was a city full of superpowerful morons. Somewhere (either in the book or on his website somewhere) its mentioned that the city was already there when people came to that part of the continent. And that people didn't start turning into Elantrans until after they found the city. Those who probably could figure out how to fix the problem probably never had a chance. If I recall right, once the earthquake hit and the Elantrans lost their power, it didn't take long for things to go bad. And I think Hoid was originally just a cute thing that kept popping up, and it just caught on like a meme. He's supposed to be getting a bigger role in the Stormlight Archive though, so maybe he can be awesome there.
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Yeroc2 posted:Somewhere (either in the book or on his website somewhere) its mentioned that the city was already there when people came to that part of the continent. And that people didn't start turning into Elantrans until after they found the city. Having just finished the book, I read that part recently. They basically say that it did hit the Elantrians pretty fast, but nowhere does he indicate that it was some instantaneous death knell for them or something. What I mean is, it's obvious they had scholars and historians are intelligent people in Elantris, so it seems stupid that even if they DID come on the city late, none of them living there for thousands of years would even ONCE stumble on the same information that Raoden figured out in six weeks.
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A Nice Boy posted:Having just finished the book, I read that part recently. They basically say that it did hit the Elantrians pretty fast, but nowhere does he indicate that it was some instantaneous death knell for them or something. What I mean is, it's obvious they had scholars and historians are intelligent people in Elantris, so it seems stupid that even if they DID come on the city late, none of them living there for thousands of years would even ONCE stumble on the same information that Raoden figured out in six weeks. That chasm was probably weeks of travel away from Elantris. Maybe they just didn't find out about until it was too late?
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I think I remembered reading something that the smartest of them went mad pretty fast.
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Also, now that I've read all his books, what's this I've heard about his stories being connected? I haven't seen anything that really led me to believe the stories are intertwined somehow, and all the places are very different with crazy different magic systems. Somewhere I can read up on this? NM, just read some on my own. Huh, Hoid is supposed to be Wit, eh? Interesting. A Nice Boy fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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Sep 1, 2011 12:24
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It's all different planets in the same universe. The magic on each world results from something called a shard. There are 16 of them, which were created when the setting's god was killed. There's also a character named Hoid who appears to be traveling between the worlds and doing stuff for some purpose, he shows up in each book somewhere. I don't have a link handy but that's the gist.
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A Nice Boy posted:Also, now that I've read all his books, what's this I've heard about his stories being connected? I haven't seen anything that really led me to believe the stories are intertwined somehow, and all the places are very different with crazy different magic systems. Somewhere I can read up on this? 17th shard wiki. Start with the entry for "cosmere" and click down from there. Essentially the Universe was watched over by a Mega-God named Adonalsium. Something happened (don't know what yet) and he was split in 16 shards. These shards were taken up by 16 men who could use their powers to create worlds and magic systems. Mistborn had 2 shards, Preservation and Ruin, that needed to be used together in order to create the world of Scadrial. Elantris has at least two, possibly three. (Aon-Dor and whatever the Derethi were using, I forget what it was called.) Way of Kings is beleived to have three. There's the god Jezer-something who created Shardplates, Shardblades, Surgebinding, Soulcasting, etc. Odium is the bad god who is using the voidbringers. Supposedly the Nightmother and "Old Magic" is also a shard, but who knows. Warbreaker has at least 1 shard that allows for the "awakening" of things through Breath and such. All of these are tied together through a plane of existence called the Shadesmar. Shallan and Jasnah visit this place at the end of Way of Kings. Hoid is special because he shows up in all the books, usually for a scene or two. His mythology is further hinted at in Way of Kings where he is revealed to be a Worldsinger. Not much is known about them, but they can travel between the worlds (books) through the Shadesmar. Brandon has talked about another idea for a book that would have a world were one of the Shards can manipulate sound. Beyond that he hasn't said much.
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Cartoon Man posted:17th shard wiki. Start with the entry for "cosmere" and click down from there. Essentially the Universe was watched over by a Mega-God named Adonalsium. Something happened (don't know what yet) and he was split in 16 shards. These shards were taken up by 16 men who could use their powers to create worlds and magic systems. That's insane. If he ever manages to write all of the books for all of these series, and then some sort of link for inbetween ... it'll take him a very long time.
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