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Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Sponge! posted:

Yeah but you can't rent a PT, stealth nitrous/methanol it, beat the gently caress out of it on the drag(13.8 @ 102 anyone?), then turn it in with nobody the wiser...

OR CAN YOU?!?! (Someone do it with a PT!)

Well, all the drivetrain (and I think chassis as well) is similar enough to the Neon, so I don't see why not.

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whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit
Some people don't see why; other's don't see why not.

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

This is the best thing.

Method Loser
Oct 10, 2001

Every time I see this on the internet, it makes me smile. Thank you.

Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!


That, right there, is AI in its purest form.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib
Along with: http://www.rcramer.com/fun/econobox/

Root Bear
Nov 15, 2004

DARKEST SKETCH
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Post Pictures of Horrible Mechanical Engineering Failures.

lovely cell phone pic of a "simple" alignment on a 2002 Volkswagen Passat (54k miles) gone awry due to the outer tie rod becoming one with the inner tie rod thanks to corrosion:


As if it wasn't bad enough to not have any means of adjusting the front camber/caster whatsoever, trying to free the tie rod up was a delightful waste of time. There's very little room to work even with the tire off; and the only options are penetrating oil and vibrating it with an air-hammer, since the heat will not only melt the bellows boot on the rack, but also the rubber insulation that holds the threaded half of the outer tie rod into the ball socket end of the rod. Brilliant. :rolleyes:

I honestly never thought I'd see a tie rod design that could compete with the poo poo that is the 300M/LHS/Intrepid mess, but VW/Audi managed to pull it off. loving horrible. :colbert:

Root Bear fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Aug 25, 2011

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Is it on fire?

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?


This supercharger is a lifetime, maintenance-free part.

Dielectric
May 3, 2010

nitrogen posted:


This supercharger is a lifetime, maintenance-free part.

MINI supercharger? I keep reading about them eating all 4oz of gear oil in there, and glancing nervously at mine. I really need to pull it and drain/fill...

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Dielectric posted:

MINI supercharger? I keep reading about them eating all 4oz of gear oil in there, and glancing nervously at mine. I really need to pull it and drain/fill...

Yep, this was on an '03 Mini Cooper S. midyear in 05 they coated the gears to help stave this off.

How many miles on yours and what year? This one had obvious oil leaks, and was making horrible noises, so as long as you don't see oil leaks or hear the supercharger death rattle, you shouldn't panic. Sometimes they leak from the back, so it's hard to tell, though.

I just passed 40k on my R53. I'll probably either do it, or have it done around 70k.

BTW, if you need a new remanufactured MINI supercharger, I recommend these dudes:
http://www.superchargertech.com/

nitrogen fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Aug 26, 2011

Dielectric
May 3, 2010

nitrogen posted:

Yep, this was on an '03 Mini Cooper S. midyear in 05 they coated the gears to help stave this off.

How many miles on yours and what year? This one had obvious oil leaks, and was making horrible noises, so as long as you don't see oil leaks or hear the supercharger death rattle, you shouldn't panic. Sometimes they leak from the back, so it's hard to tell, though.

I just passed 40k on my R53. I'll probably either do it, or have it done around 70k.

BTW, if you need a new remanufactured MINI supercharger, I recommend these dudes:
http://www.superchargertech.com/

I've got an '06 with about 96K on the clock. The leaking at the back is what I'm worried about, apparently it can suck small amounts of oil out through the seal. No noises, even with the high-tech screwdriver stethoscope. So far I've had the common stuff go out, t-stat leak and crank sensor leak. Cheap fixes but you're pretty F-ed if you let it get out of hand. Nothing picture worthy so far, gooey o-rings are boring.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

nitrogen posted:



This supercharger is a lifetime, maintenance-free part.

What are we looking at here? Is that powdery metallic residue what used to be whole metal guts?

Sponge!
Dec 22, 2004

SPORK!

H110Hawk posted:

What are we looking at here? Is that powdery metallic residue what used to be whole metal guts?

Its powdered gearteeth. :barf:

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

H110Hawk posted:

What are we looking at here? Is that powdery metallic residue what used to be whole metal guts?

It's the soul of the car. It needs to stay. :colbert:

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

H110Hawk posted:

What are we looking at here? Is that powdery metallic residue what used to be whole metal guts?

Severely stripped PTO/water pump driving gears. It was running for quite a while with no gear oil at all.



I recommend the shop I do above because they replace these gears on all of their rebuilds and have the best warranty I know about. I'll use 'em when I have to have mine rebuilt.

Usually you have a very noticeable waterpump/supercharger rattle when it gets this bad.

Here's an even better picture of what happens if you don't get the supercharger death rattle taken care of:

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

Meh, there are still parts of some teeth left.

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit
So those little gears aren't spinning at like 70,000 rpms, right?

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

The Scientist posted:

So those little gears aren't spinning at like 70,000 rpms, right?

No. I believe the whole mess goes at roughly 2x engine speed, which would be max of 14k RPM.

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit
That's still a lot, you'd figure it'd whine really bad. I'm trying to figure out why they didn't make them helical gears.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

nitrogen posted:


Here's an even better picture of what happens if you don't get the supercharger death rattle taken care of:


Oh my. The angle on this one illustrates it very clearly.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

The Scientist posted:

That's still a lot, you'd figure it'd whine really bad. I'm trying to figure out why they didn't make them helical gears.

Because supercharger whine is the best whine. :colbert:

thealphabetsez
Jun 1, 2004

ratbert90 posted:

Because supercharger whine is the best whine. :colbert:

And most efficient power transfer :science:

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?
I always thought the whine was from the rotors.

Since i've been all about supercharger porn today, here's some ones that aren't hosed up:

This one's got the teflon coating on the rotors that helps it last longer, only it makes it quieter :(





Mmmm. Eaton M45 :iamafag:

EDIT: I fail at imgur.

nitrogen fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 27, 2011

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit

thealphabetsez posted:

And most efficient power transfer :science:

But I thought that was true of helical gears? Like more contact area per number of teeth engaged between 2 gears in mesh, and also smoother transfer of power between the two?

SlapActionJackson
Jul 27, 2006

nitrogen posted:



This supercharger is a lifetime, maintenance-free part.

What a coincidence! It's reached the end of its lifetime! :haw:

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

The Scientist posted:

But I thought that was true of helical gears? Like more contact area per number of teeth engaged between 2 gears in mesh, and also smoother transfer of power between the two?

Helical gears generate axial loads that need to be controlled with more bearings, which also makes setting them up harder. They also require oil additives to reduce the wear from having the tooth faces sliding past each other.

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit

EightBit posted:

Helical gears generate axial loads that need to be controlled with more bearings, which also makes setting them up harder. They also require oil additives to reduce the wear from having the tooth faces sliding past each other.

Ok, like "ep - extreme pressure additives" in gear oils for trannies with hypoid final drive gears. Gotcha. But couldn't they make them herringbone gears? (Aside from the fact that of course they wouldn't, because that would be expensive).



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Being a logger must be hard

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d7c_1314313879

One tracked vehicle rights another that's tipped over, but once its back square on its tracks the tether slips off and the previously tipped one, in neutral, goes jaunting down the slope... for hundreds of feet.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Holy poo poo, wonder what overspeeding does to that drivetrain?

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit
Its probably hydraulic. But that's all I know, and therefore I wonder too. My little tractor has a hydraulic drive (hydrostatic), and I've always imagined it being something like a torque converter inside, but in reality I have no idea.

Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine
Imagine a 4 pointed rotor spinning within a five pointed cavity. That's what your hydraulic pump in the transaxle looks like. Never taken apart a hydro motor, so I can't rightly say.

whose tuggin
Nov 6, 2009

by Hand Knit
So like a square inside of a .... pentagon?

Brigdh
Nov 23, 2007

That's not an oil leak. That's the automatic oil change and chassis protection feature.

The Scientist posted:

So like a square inside of a .... pentagon?

more like a + inside of a 5 pointed plus

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
Imagine five rotor vanes on the edge of a cliff.

DELETED
Nov 14, 2004
Disgruntled
Imagine something just like this but different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMt2JheBSls

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Root Bear posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Post Pictures of Horrible Mechanical Engineering Failures.

lovely cell phone pic of a "simple" alignment on a 2002 Volkswagen Passat (54k miles) gone awry due to the outer tie rod becoming one with the inner tie rod thanks to corrosion:


As if it wasn't bad enough to not have any means of adjusting the front camber/caster whatsoever, trying to free the tie rod up was a delightful waste of time. There's very little room to work even with the tire off; and the only options are penetrating oil and vibrating it with an air-hammer, since the heat will not only melt the bellows boot on the rack, but also the rubber insulation that holds the threaded half of the outer tie rod into the ball socket end of the rod. Brilliant. :rolleyes:

I honestly never thought I'd see a tie rod design that could compete with the poo poo that is the 300M/LHS/Intrepid mess, but VW/Audi managed to pull it off. loving horrible. :colbert:
Someday, I need to sell my B5 Tie rod/Control arm set. A limited run set with spherical bearings which are fully rebuildable designed to be the last set you'd ever need. People thought I was insane spending almost $1000 on them, but those people had never done that job before.
And then I totaled the drat thing before installing them.
(They also are designed to adjust camber/castor)

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

nitrogen posted:

Severely stripped PTO/water pump driving gears. It was running for quite a while with no gear oil at all.



I recommend the shop I do above because they replace these gears on all of their rebuilds and have the best warranty I know about. I'll use 'em when I have to have mine rebuilt.

Usually you have a very noticeable waterpump/supercharger rattle when it gets this bad.

Here's an even better picture of what happens if you don't get the supercharger death rattle taken care of:


Alpine Mustache
Jul 11, 2000

Brigdh posted:

more like a + inside of a 5 pointed plus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyo3FrPCq28&feature=related
this?

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
:science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerotor

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Skyssx
Feb 2, 2001

by T. Fine

Exactly that. Then there's a swash plate that changes pressure on pistons further into the pump. This reverses the flow for bi-directional motor operation.

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