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Well I've just seen Brienne of Tarth naked, with a blonde afro.
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Aug 30, 2011 01:42
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Maytag posted:Well I've just seen Brienne of Tarth naked, with a blonde afro. Did you pop a shame-boner like the heroic Jaime Lannister?
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Aug 30, 2011 01:45
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I knocked over a glass with my golden hand, wink wink.
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Aug 30, 2011 01:50
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Maytag posted:I knocked over a glass with my golden hand, wink wink.
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Aug 30, 2011 01:55
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I'm starting to wonder if Rickon is like the youngest daughter in 'Family Matters' who one day walked up the stairs to her bedroom and was never seen or mentioned ever again.
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Aug 30, 2011 02:01
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hellbastard posted:I'm starting to wonder if Rickon is like the youngest daughter in 'Family Matters' who one day walked up the stairs to her bedroom and was never seen or mentioned ever again. Why not? Baby Aegon is the Cousin Oliver of the series.
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Aug 30, 2011 02:15
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You can see her naked as well. Although I think she's dead?
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Aug 30, 2011 02:16
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Maytag posted:Well I've just seen Brienne of Tarth naked, with a blonde afro. So the curtains match the drapes?
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Aug 30, 2011 05:02
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So my dad just picked up the first book on a whim, and he called me tonight because he knows I've read the series. "If the good guys don't start winning in this book soon, I'm going to stop reading." He just finished the chapter where Ned was beheaded. What do I tell him? 
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Aug 30, 2011 05:18
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Tell him to widen his definition of "good guy."
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Aug 30, 2011 05:21
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PeterWeller posted:We need another book about building a really long chain. This was actually a subplot in book 9 of The Wheel of Time.
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Aug 30, 2011 06:53
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Mahlertov Cocktail posted:Tell him to widen his definition of "good guy." I told him a variation of that, mostly trying to talk up Tyrion, but he's all "loving LANNISTERS" right now.
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Aug 30, 2011 07:26
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After re-reading some of the prophecies, it really looks to me that Jon Snow is coming back as a wight: First, Daenarys in the House of the Undying sees: "A red sword raised by blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. A stone beast takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire." Then Jon's dream: "Burning shafts hissed upward, trailing tongues of fire. Scarecrow brothers tumbled down, black cloaks ablaze. "Snow," an eagle cried, as foemen scuttled up the ice like spiders. Jon was armored in black ice, but his blade burned red in his fist. As the dead men reached the top of the Wall he sent them down to die again. He slew a greybeard and a beardless boy, a giant, a gaunt man with filed teeth, a girl with thick red hair. Too late he recognized Ygritte. She was gone as quick as she’d appeared." Jon covered in black ice, wielding a firey sword: Jon is revived as an wight (or Other?) as Azor Ahai reborn. The first line in Daenary's prophecy seems to refer to Stannis, but that's a red herring - blue-eyed with no shadow means he's a wight, and it refers to Jon. How Jon is revived this way, how he acts, and how he turns Longclaw into the red sword, I don't know.
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Aug 30, 2011 08:03
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Haraksha posted:This was actually a subplot in book 9 of The Wheel of Time. Just out of interest, did that series ever get better? I stopped reading after book three... I just didn't want to commit to 13 huge books of braid-tugging buggery.
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Aug 30, 2011 08:20
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Jakabite posted:Just out of interest, did that series ever get better? I stopped reading after book three... I just didn't want to commit to 13 huge books of braid-tugging buggery. Not at all. It's one of those things where beating a dead horse doesn't even come close to describing how much that series has been dragged out.
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Aug 30, 2011 09:43
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Jakabite posted:Just out of interest, did that series ever get better? I stopped reading after book three... I just didn't want to commit to 13 huge books of braid-tugging buggery. Ignore Azure_Horizon. I'm not sure what you mean by "get better". If you didn't like it by book 3, you're never going to like it. Personally, I think it goes like this: Books 1-3 is almost a different series in tone and plotting. It fits the heroes journey mold a lot more than the rest of the books. These books are the most fun in the series and have some cool moments, but on a reread there's a ton of poo poo that gets foreshadowed in these books. Books 4-6 are more about world building and less about the heroes journey, but they're super loving awesome and have my favorite battles in them. Books 7-9 are slower for sure, but they're perfectly reasonable if you read them all in a row. These definitely ran into the "Dance with Dragons" problem in that if you waited for two to three years between books, it was pretty disappointing how much actually happened, but if you read them straight through, they're interesting and well told, assuming you can stomach Jordan's turns of phrase. Book 10 is the worst of them, but there's some good stuff hidden inside it. If you can stomach braid tugging and skirt smoothing, power through it to get to the next one. Book 11 is amazing. Everything is back on track, the most awesome scene in a fantasy book ever happens, and everything is set up for the grand finale. Books 12 and 13 are the first two parts of the "last book". Jordan died before he could finish it himself and the notes he left for Sanderson were too massive to finish it in one volume, so they decided to break it into thirds and release each third as fast as possible, which has actually been about a book a year to a year and a half. Book 14 will be the last and because of complaints on editing, they're taking their time to make sure it's perfect rather than rushing it to print.
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Aug 30, 2011 10:57
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Haraksha posted:Books 7-9 are slower for sure, but they're perfectly reasonable if you read them all in a row. These definitely ran into the "Dance with Dragons" problem in that if you waited for two to three years between books, it was pretty disappointing how much actually happened, but if you read them straight through, they're
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Aug 30, 2011 14:51
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hellbastard posted:I'm starting to wonder if Rickon is like the youngest daughter in 'Family Matters' who one day walked up the stairs to her bedroom and was never seen or mentioned ever again. So he'll show up years later as a male prostitute (since she went into porn)?
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Aug 30, 2011 16:00
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Haraksha posted:Ignore Azure_Horizon. I'm not sure what you mean by "get better". If you didn't like it by book 3, you're never going to like it. Indeed. Pay more attention to this than the hater above. Even the "slow" books ended up being OK when I re-read them back to back instead of waiting a couple of years between releases. Except book 10. That one still sucked, and I honestly skimmed the majority of it on my last re-read. He does tend to overuse certain phrases or mannerisms (Braid tugging, sniffing, OMG why is Mat/Perrin/Rand so much better with giiiirls!?!?!?!), but if you can get past that it's a very enjoyable series. and the depth of world building is ridiculous. I'm still amazed no one has made a decent RPG out of it. Or even a tactical tabletop, Warhammer Fantasy style. Instead we got a terrible FPS, and a bad D20 shoehorn. Bah!
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Aug 30, 2011 16:11
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HisMajestyBOB posted:After re-reading some of the prophecies, it really looks to me that Jon Snow is coming back as a wight: I just caught the "blue-eyed king" line on a re-read of ACOCK and instantly thought of Jon as well. I'm thinking Jon's going to have to sacrifice Ghost, killing the 'warg' within him to complete his re-birth. I've a feeling he won't be able to master his 'wightness' until he completes the rebirth. Which sucks for Ghost, but anything to progress the plot, am i right?
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Aug 30, 2011 16:28
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Habibi posted:I started reading the series just before book 9 was released, so read 7-9 in a row, and unfortunately I can't agree with anything in this paragraph except for how difficult it was to stomach his turns of phrase. I got partway through book...6, I think (whichever one is after The Fires of Heaven, which is the best title in the genre ever fyi) before losing interest in the series. I'm tempted to pick it up again from the start to have something to tide me over until TWOW. Ross fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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Aug 30, 2011 17:25
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JohnnyDangerously posted:I just caught the "blue-eyed king" line on a re-read of ACOCK and instantly thought of Jon as well. I'm thinking Jon's going to have to sacrifice Ghost, killing the 'warg' within him to complete his re-birth. I've a feeling he won't be able to master his 'wightness' until he completes the rebirth. Which sucks for Ghost, but anything to progress the plot, am i right? Noooo, I would hate that. I actually thought the blue eyed king bit did refer to Stannis, and the part about no shadow somehow references the killing shadows Melisandre produced. I liked the book, but I rushed reading it. When I get a vacation I will read it slowly.
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Aug 30, 2011 17:48
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Crazy speculation/ideas about things to come: OK so it seems like the general idea by everyone now is that Jon is going to be reborn or Melissandre will heal him and he will become Azor Ahai. I think that idea is partially correct. We still don't know who Coldhands is for certain but it is pretty much assumed to be Benjen. Or at least Benjen's body. Now what if Bloodraven used his Warg+tree super powers to skinchange into Benjen and used his dead body to lead Bran to him. This isn't too much of a stretch seeing as how we know skinchangers can takeover living people so why not the dead or wights? Now Jon is probably stabbed to death and the assumption is that he will be reborn someway. I don't think Jon could skinchange at the last second into someone/something else because it seemed like from listening to the guy in the prologue that Jon could be that powerful if he had some guidance or training but as it stands he probably couldn't do it since he's not even really aware of what he is doing when he has the Ghost dreams. So, what if Jon is in fact dead, for good after the stabbing, but Bran is able to skinchange into his body like Bloodraven may be doing to Benjen/Coldhands. This way in a sense Jon would be Azor Ahai, but would also kind of fit the description of himself in the black armor in the dream he has where he's fighting the wights with a flaming sword. I'm pretty sure in the Undying ones visions with Dany the character she sees has eyes like a wights and has like frosty black armor so it seems to fit that whoever it is will be a wight or something. This would also kind of give Bran his chance to be a warrior kind of. I'm sure I'm not taking something into consideration or ignoring something but this hit me today and while trying to guess what will happen in these books is drat near impossible, I think this would be kind of a cool outcome and seems to fit some of the prophecies and poo poo. Edit: just realized, I dont think they ever said what happened to Ygrittes body so Wight or even Non-wight Jon killing a wight Yigritte would be a really convenient way for a character to kill the person they love without them actually doing something so lovely as to make us hate them since I assume whoever becomes Azor Ahai will be a "good guy" and we will want to root for them. If that's the case, whether anything else I posted is true or not (doubtful) Ygritte acting as Nissa Nissa for Jon would be a really easy way of handling that aspect of the prophecy if that's still a requirement for getting Lightbringer. apropos to nothing fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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Aug 30, 2011 18:03
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:Edit: just realized, I dont think they ever said what happened to Ygrittes body so Wight or even Non-wight Jon killing a wight Yigritte would be a really convenient way for a character to kill the person they love without them actually doing something so lovely as to make us hate them since I assume whoever becomes Azor Ahai will be a "good guy" and we will want to root for them. If that's the case, whether anything else I posted is true or not (doubtful) Ygritte acting as Nissa Nissa for Jon would be a really easy way of handling that aspect of the prophecy if that's still a requirement for getting Lightbringer. Jon mentions burning Ygritte's body himself in his next chapter after she dies.
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Aug 30, 2011 18:21
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Habibi posted:I started reading the series just before book 9 was released, so read 7-9 in a row, and unfortunately I can't agree with anything in this paragraph except for how difficult it was to stomach his turns of phrase. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I really like book 8 because of how violent it is and 9 has one of the best payoffs in the series.
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Aug 30, 2011 18:36
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WoT chat: once Sanderson takes over writing them, they are absurdly better.
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Aug 30, 2011 18:37
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Haraksha posted:Different strokes for different folks I guess. I really like book 8 because of how violent it is and 9 has one of the best payoffs in the series. Yeah. Book 9 is mostly pretty boring, but the climax is so ridiculously cool that I forgive the rest of the book. I'm not quite done reading the series, though; I finished book 10 last month and then took a break to reread this series.
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Aug 30, 2011 19:31
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soru posted:WoT chat: once Sanderson takes over writing them, they are absurdly better. He probably should have written them to begin with.
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Aug 30, 2011 20:16
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Actually, Jon's just a red herring and is dead for good. Brienne, on the other hand, who has blue eyes and a red sword, kills Jaime and/or Catelyn, the only two people to show her any kindness, and, boom, fulfills the Azor Ahai prophecy. You're welcome.
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Aug 30, 2011 20:38
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Here you go guys. Now shut the gently caress up. Wheel of Time Thread
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Aug 30, 2011 20:42
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Martin Van Buren posted:Actually, Jon's just a red herring and is dead for good. Brienne, on the other hand, who has blue eyes and a red sword, kills Jaime and/or Catelyn, the only two people to show her any kindness, and, boom, fulfills the Azor Ahai prophecy. You're welcome. Well, she was born on an island, so that takes care of the "borne amongst salt". The castle of House Tarth is Evenfall Hall, which is "when the darkness rises". There are some stars on the heraldry of House Tarth, but none of them red. And then we still need to find the smoke. Another possible candidate.
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Aug 30, 2011 20:48
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Haraksha posted:Different strokes for different folks I guess. I really like book 8 because of how violent it is and 9 has one of the best payoffs in the series. Books 8 and 9 felt like AFFC and DWD ^ 1000. The payoff for Winter's Heart was good, yes, but it was preceded by hundreds of pages of abysmally slow and boring writing. Even reading the two back to back within days of one another, they completely turned me off of the series. By the time that big payoff happened, I just couldn't bring myself to care. Maybe I'll give them another shot one of these days, but whereas most fantasy series' which I enjoy I reread every few years, I haven't touched this one since reading WH in 2001. I mean, drat, I've reread both the Belgariad and Mallorean since I stopped even trying with the WoT.
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Aug 30, 2011 20:52
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Hot Dog Day #31 posted:I don't think Jon could skinchange at the last second into someone/something else I don't know how much fantasy you've read but it's cliche for a character to use an unknown superpower while in a very stressful situation.
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Aug 30, 2011 22:56
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The prologue has me afraid that he warged into ghost.
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Aug 30, 2011 23:10
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Maytag posted:I don't know how much fantasy you've read but it's cliche for a character to use an unknown superpower while in a very stressful situation. That's actually part of the reason I don't think it's what will happen, because it's just too cliche. To be fair though I don't read much fantasy at all so it's probably exactly what will happen.
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Aug 30, 2011 23:45
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Whoever was searching through the books seeing how often certain phrases pop up, can you please check how often "it was all X could do not to X" is used? Like search for the "could do not to" part, that should be exclusive enough.
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Aug 30, 2011 23:50
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Finally. Having finished the book, I cross the narrow sea from the spoiler-free thread and return home. It feels good to once again reign in the no-longer-bad thread. Overall, I was pretty happy with it, but the High points: -Jon the Badass. Love what he's doing, and I really hope the next book cuts him free from the Wall. Make him King Below the Wall, wandering around with a bunch of wildlings and loving up Ramsay "Douchebag McFuckstick" Bolton. -Arya. Only two chapters, but both amazing. Can't wait to see what happens when she finally repatriates to Westeros. -Barristan. Motherfucking. Selmy. Best new point of view, and he had better last. -Dragons. It's about drat time. -Theon. It only took five books for him to become an interesting character, but I loved pretty much every one of his chapters. -Griff/Aegon out of loving nowhere. Arbitrary and random, but I like Connington as a POV and the introduction of a SECRET TARG!! throws a nice twist into things. Wish it had been foreshadowed a bit in earlier books, but I'll live. Low points: -Tyrion. Definitely the weakest Tyrion book, AFFC aside. Do like him joining up with Jorah, and unless I'm mistaken Kevan's death sets him up as Lord of Casterly Rock, provided he can make his claim. -Daenerys. Never been a huge fan, but drat did the chapters of political [non-]intrigue and loving Daario drag on. Nice to get some  dragon action though, and I can't wait to see her ride into town with a dragon and a bunch of Dothraki.-Jaime. More specifically, not enough of him. Best addition in AFFC, and a chapter of him meeting Catelyn would have been a good cliffhanger. -Quentyn. I love the Dorne stuff from Feast, and I wanted more, but his entire plot arc was do nothing and get dragon-roasted. Meh. To GRRM's credit, the epilogue laid the foundation for the rest of the series out really well, and it's nice to know where things are going from here. All the players are in place, and the next two books should be nothing but the bloody, glorious resolution. Provided he can resist the urge to go, "gently caress it, let's go for eight," I'm really confident in the series from here on out. ADwD was no CoK/SoS, but it beat the poo poo out of Feast, it did its job, and the remaining two books should be a serious return to form. Now finish the series, George.
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Aug 30, 2011 23:59
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OperaMouse posted:Well, she was born on an island, so that takes care of the "borne amongst salt". Hahahaha that would be hilarious. "Out of my way, Others, I'm looking for a maid of three and ten.  "
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Aug 31, 2011 00:03
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OperaMouse posted:Well, she was born on an island, so that takes care of the "borne amongst salt". I was actually just makin' japes, I don't think Brienne is Azor Ahai. But I henceforth take all credit for this theory if it proves to have any merit. Anyway, anyone thinking that the stone dragon breathing "shadow fire" could be an allusion to Blackfyre and his descendants? I'm not much of a fantasy reader, so I'm not great at differentiating between "world-building" and actually important stuff, but the whole Blackfyre rebellion, based simply on the amount of exposition and the part Bloodraven played in it, seems like it's coming back up big time. I've forgotten a lot of the Golden Company shpiel in ADWD and what exactly they had to do with Bittersteel/Blackfyre, but they're now back in 'Steros w/ baby Aegs and I'm thinking the Blackfyre legacy ain't dead.
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Aug 31, 2011 00:13
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Wait a minute...looking back over the thread it looks like a few assumptions I made aren't as safe as I thought? -People think Jon is dead? Really? The whole parents thing is still way up in the air, and he's as close the series has to a main character/protagonist at this point. Jon ain't loving dead, and he's not going to get trapped in an animal body. Absolute worst case scenario, we have a precedent for a Wight being an apparently normal person with Bran's guard. I suppose that could happen with Jon... -Stannis. I figured Ramsay was taking the piss out of Jon, and I never really considered the possibility that the battle has actually been fought. Seems unlikely, at best.
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