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JD Brickmeister posted:Lesson - this kind of poo poo happens with sealed batteries - something I did not know. Technically, it only happens with unsealed batteries.
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I seem to recall the "new" VW Beetle's battery was notorious for doing this when it first came out. When I worked at the battery place I saw several exploded Deutsche batteries with the tops blown up.
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Sep 8, 2011 19:56
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DJ Commie posted:Charging a battery creates hydrogen, not discharging! I didn't know that.
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Sep 8, 2011 20:31
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I have a riding tractor from the 70s with the original battery that I was jumping so that I could drive it around. Somehow I still have a face.
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Sep 8, 2011 21:14
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The Scientist posted:I didn't know that. Sounds like someone needs a name change.
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Sep 8, 2011 21:28
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atomicthumbs posted:Technically, it only happens with unsealed batteries.
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Sep 8, 2011 22:22
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grover posted:Technically, it still happens with sealed batteries, but it isn't released during normal operation. If overcharged, they can still outgas significant amounts of hydrogen. Another big risk is thermal runaway. I think his point is that if hydrogen escapes, then it cannot be "sealed."
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Speaking of battery failures... "Why won't this loving UPS unit hold a charge?" "I don't know, let's crack it open and take a look."
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Those SLAB batteries don't last too long even under normal operation. There's a reason fire panel codes require them to be replaced yearly (same models of batteries in fire panels - my father installs them for a living, and my house has a UPS on almost every outlet). I even use one in my (non-e-start) motorcycle.
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That battery came out of a UPS system that had been running some of our servers at work for about 6 or 7 years straight. There were four batteries in that unit, each the size of a car battery. Every one of them looked like that. I'm not real sure how it managed to keep limping along.
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Sep 8, 2011 23:47
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JD Brickmeister posted:The battery in my Escalade made a "POP" sound, kind of like a dud firecracker when I tried to start it, then everything went dead. Opened up the hood and there was battery acid sprayed inside and the battery itself had split a little. I too have learned this lesson and spent a relaxing evening cleaning battery acid under the hood with baking soda.
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Boogeyman posted:That battery came out of a UPS system that had been running some of our servers at work for about 6 or 7 years straight. There were four batteries in that unit, each the size of a car battery. Every one of them looked like that. I'm not real sure how it managed to keep limping along. Just barely. Puffiness like that usually happens when cells short or other things. For fun, put a meter on them and see what their standing voltage is. The good news is that, if you find the right supplier, even the bigger ones like that can be had for relatively cheap. Most places online want close to $80 for one of the smaller 12 or even 7AH versions, but the local supplier for my dad's security company sells them for $15 to a business, or $20 individually. Yours looks like a...TR55-12? http://www.batteryspec.com/html/FireAlarm.html Unless you already knew all this, then disregard and move on. 
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Boogeyman posted:That battery came out of a UPS system that had been running some of our servers at work for about 6 or 7 years straight. There were four batteries in that unit, each the size of a car battery. Every one of them looked like that. I'm not real sure how it managed to keep limping along. What kind of cheap rear end UPS doesn't tell you when the battery is hosed?
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heat posted:What kind of cheap rear end UPS doesn't tell you when the battery is hosed? What kind of cheap rear end job do you have that they still set you in the server closet?
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Viggen posted:What kind of cheap rear end job do you have that they still set you in the server closet? Even if your car is running fine you still check the fluids every now and then right? Somebody should be checking the UPSs every once in a while too. No need to live with the server.
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Breast Pussy posted:Even if your car is running fine you still check the fluids every now and then right? Somebody should be checking the UPSs every once in a while too. No need to live with the server. Usually this stuff can be monitored remotely, or locally via USB or serial interfaces, but I assume that they didn't bother hooking any of that crap up, and unless you're in there long enough to get an audible warning, or just happen to check it, you'd never know. Yeah, it was bad management, but it likely wasn't intentional.
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gently caress, I'm tearing my UPS open this weekend. I think I bought it in 05.
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Godholio posted:gently caress, I'm tearing my UPS open this weekend. I think I bought it in 05. Same. Mine's been moved a few times and has had power tripped at least once a month since I bought it in 2006.
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grover posted:Technically, it still happens with sealed batteries, but it isn't released during normal operation. If overcharged, they can still outgas significant amounts of hydrogen. Another big risk is thermal runaway.
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Godholio posted:gently caress, I'm tearing my UPS open this weekend. I think I bought it in 05. Mine's from 07. Just checked it and the battery isn't spilling its guts yet, though it's long past its prime by now. I only get about 10 minutes out of it now. I've been debating if I should order a new battery (since this one's original) or a larger UPS - this one is only a 550VA, and refurbups.com has some awesome deals on medium sized units. Thankfully our power doesn't go out often, but when it does go out it's out for a bit. Also, refurbups.com has some decent prices on replacement batteries.
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MadScientistWorking posted:Sealed Lead Acid batteries have vents in them which are designed to prevent that sort of failure. You can theoretically make a bomb by potting the battery and inducing a failure that requires venting.
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My UPS functioned as nothing but a glorified power conditioner when I picked it up off the sidewalk. Its main function is to make a horrible squealing noise to let me know that the power is fluctuating or going out. I'm afraid to open it up because the battery probably no longer resembles its original form.
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atomicthumbs posted:My UPS functioned as nothing but a glorified power conditioner when I picked it up off the sidewalk. Its main function is to make a horrible squealing noise to let me know that the power is fluctuating or going out. I'm afraid to open it up because the battery probably no longer resembles its original form. You don't want expensive devices plugged into some lovely UPS that has a melted/bulging battery in it, and most UPS's have pretty easy (a few screws at most) access to replace the battery. Also, batteries can be cheap (as I noted earlier). Why live with the risk of damaging everything plugged into it?
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Geirskogul posted:Why live with the risk of damaging everything plugged into it?
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AlternateAccount posted:How did this not destroy other things? I'm not sure. He curbed the rim hard enough to remove a 1/4" deep, 3 inch long section. The tire bead was unaffected. The tie rod is bent slightly when new to clear the rack, so I think it kind of functioned like a fuse in the steering. Also : the metal parts were carefully placed on the battery solely for the purposes of the photo. Having experienced surprise welding once before, (many years ago) I would not make such a novice mistake again. 
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Geirskogul posted:You don't want expensive devices plugged into some lovely UPS that has a melted/bulging battery in it, and most UPS's have pretty easy (a few screws at most) access to replace the battery. Also, batteries can be cheap (as I noted earlier). Do UPS's not regulate the voltage from the DC source?
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The Scientist posted:Do UPS's not regulate the voltage from the DC source?
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Let's Get Geeky About Batteries. (not mine) 
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Devyl posted:JB Weld would take care of that...
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JD Brickmeister posted:JB Weld would take care of that...
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The Honda N600 I'm likely buying has a broken crank, wish I had a picture but how does that happen on a 36hp 2cyl 600cc engine that revs to 8000RPM?
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netwerk23 posted:Well, technically so would hot glue if you never put any stress on the joint. Exactly - I was actually thinking along the lines of cyanoacrylate (sp? superglue) because you can see how nicely the two parts fit would fit together.
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DJ Commie posted:The Honda N600 I'm likely buying has a broken crank, wish I had a picture but how does that happen on a 36hp 2cyl 600cc engine that revs to 8000RPM? Doesn't the N600 have a built-up crankshaft with roller bearings? That would be all I need to know to find an explanation.
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DJ Commie posted:how does that happen on a 36hp 2cyl 600cc engine that revs to 8000RPM?
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Devyl posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Let's Get Geeky About Batteries. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.jpg right there. how'd he/she manage that?
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This is not advisable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExS43bv462M
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Ballcock posted:I dunno, some batteries seem quite tough... This was the first youtube channel I ever subscribed to. I love this guy. Watch the video where he puts a brick in a dryer. Then find the one where someone gave it eyes and a soul.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:This was the first youtube channel I ever subscribed to. I love this guy. I'm pretty sure it was earllllly in this thread someone posted a link to one of his videos and was the reason I subscribed to the same channel.
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Berserkerduck posted:Doesn't the N600 have a built-up crankshaft with roller bearings? That would be all I need to know to find an explanation. Yeah, its a roller. There's an engine with a good bottom end on eBay and I found the headgasket part number and some places can get it so hodgepodge engine it is.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:This was the first youtube channel I ever subscribed to. I love this guy. loving hell, I can't stop laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TqBSI8ZBzQ
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