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A lot of what's happening in the North is happening because King's Landing gives no fucks about anything beyond their own bullshit. Jon letting wildlings settle the North is a thing that would normally have people investigating and possibly beheading him over. Instead nobody even knows it's happening because things have gone so much to poo poo.
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Quantify! posted:A lot of what's happening in the North is happening because King's Landing gives no fucks about anything beyond their own bullshit. As far as I can gather, the "Gift" was a pretty unsettled area of the north, where the settlement of formerly-known-as-wildlings might not draw a lot of notice. Not to mention, after reading about how winter is taking over the north in a big way as Stannis travels south, yeah a bunch of wildlings just south of the wall seems a little thing. Who'd even notice besides the mountain clans? After further thought on the subject of Jon's transformation, I think I may have Jon of the HBO series stuck in my cranium, blocking out the more kick-rear end Jon of the earlier books. Man, but HBO-Jon sucked. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Sep 18, 2011 |
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Sep 18, 2011 15:55
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Jon was lovely in the first book anyway.
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Sep 18, 2011 16:02
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The "Unburnt" thing is foreshadowed some as well, e.g. Dany enjoys bathing in scalding hot water (from book 1 I think).
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Sep 18, 2011 16:34
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Yes, yes we all had our refresher course in book 1 this past year thanks to the HBO show. Thanks for reminding me of the 20 page TVIV butthurt discussion on that particular minutiae after the season finale, christ that was dumb. It was said Dany had burnt palms by the end of ADWD anyway, so she's clearly not immune to all fire, even super-magic-dragon-fire. I don't agree that Jon or Dany became a superhero overnight because there are still massive consequences for them and those around them because they constantly overreach their grasp. Still, it feels like it's taking forever and three days to get the plot anywhere. I know it's important that Jon settles the Gift, but we didn't need a literal procession of it. We just needed a quick paragraph "and then he spent the afternoon watching wildings come through. It was massive and majestic and terrifying and he wondered if he was doing the right thing." The amount of padding from AFFC onwards is loving absurd. GRRM, pick a conflict for every character and ride it to the end. That's all we loving need. You've done your job and convinced us that no character is safe and there is no "true" protagonist of the books, and gotten us all to buy into your cynical borderline nihilistic worldview. Now pick a point to end, write until you get there, and let us all be done with riding the Fat Mare.
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Sep 18, 2011 17:21
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mind the walrus posted:Yes, yes we [...] I have to ask: is the non-WILDCARDS portion of your avatar at all related to GRRM?
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Sep 18, 2011 18:58
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As someone pointed out shortly before I got the WILDCARDS tag, it's Cersei and Tywin.
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Sep 18, 2011 20:26
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Saw this over on Cracked, had to share:
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mind the walrus posted:Yes, yes we all had our refresher course in book 1 this past year thanks to the HBO show. Thanks for reminding me of the 20 page TVIV butthurt discussion on that particular minutiae after the season finale, christ that was dumb. What was the gist of this? quote:Still, it feels like it's taking forever and three days to get the plot anywhere. I know it's important that Jon settles the Gift, but we didn't need a literal procession of it. We just needed a quick paragraph "and then he spent the afternoon watching wildings come through. It was massive and majestic and terrifying and he wondered if he was doing the right thing." The amount of padding from AFFC onwards is loving absurd. I might be stupidly optimistic, but I'm still hoping that the reason for pretty much every complaint about Feast/Dance, including the atrocious waiting time, is because they were never originally intended to be written. Who knows, maybe from here on in, GRRM will return to churning out awesome books every year or so.
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Sep 19, 2011 01:08
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Junkenstein posted:What was the gist of this? Multi-page unexciting debate on whether Dany and/or all Targs are in fact fireproof.
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Sep 19, 2011 01:12
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/18/emmys-2011-supporting-act_n_968998.html Dinklage gets the Emmy for Tyrion. Bodes well for continuing the series all the way to the end, plus promising a massive ratings boost for the next season.
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Sep 19, 2011 03:46
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"Come back to bed and kiss me." No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. "I am your queen, and I command you to gently caress me." Good stuff. Heady stuff. I must needs wash out mine eyes with battery acid now.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:16
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Having a Fat Old man write about what a hot young girl wants in a sex partner--and you just know he consulted his wife on this to make sure it was sufficiently erotic--sure didn't feel like projection at all. That bit where Barristan Selmy goes on about why Quentyn Martell was like mud sure didn't feel like projection either. I have to admit I agree with him, but that didn't make it any better to read.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:22
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Fog Tripper posted:"Come back to bed and kiss me." No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. "I am your queen, and I command you to gently caress me."  rousing commentary there! Ha-ha, this Fog Tripper sure hates the books!Wild Cards bitch.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:25
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mind the walrus posted:Having a Fat Old man write about what a hot young girl wants in a sex partner--and you just know he consulted his wife on this to make sure it was sufficiently erotic--sure didn't feel like projection at all.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:30
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I'm 100% sure he wasn't drawing from experiences that the girls always want the bad boy, because as we all know that's always 100% true all the time.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:33
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Fog Tripper posted:"Come back to bed and kiss me." No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. "I am your queen, and I command you to gently caress me." I read this post and I yawned. Thank you.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:44
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mind the walrus posted:I'm 100% sure he wasn't drawing from experiences that the girls always want the bad boy, because as we all know that's always 100% true all the time. Cersei. Dany. Asha and the Sand Sluts. It's established that Cersei uses her hoo-hah to get men to do what she wants, but she ~really loves~ Jaime. You can make arguments for and against her loving Lady Merryweather but I'm going with "she was just lonely, also Lady Merryweather was an informer for Littlefinger". Asha is a warrior born, and has the lusts of a man. The Sand Snakes, same thing. Dany was established from the get-go as enjoying sex (once she got over being scared of Drogo). It's been a long time for her. She's having a very stressful time right now. It's natural for someone in her position to want to just forget their responsibilities and gently caress a good looking guy. Or is your complaint that she should've hosed Quentyn Martell instead? I dunno, it all seems in character to me.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:49
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Is this the bad thread or did this place get neutered while I was gone? My complaint has dick to do with Dany being out-of-character and more about the fact that GRRM--disgusting absolute fucker that he is--had to conceive all this crap and as anybody from the Bad Thread I knew would know that is grounds to gripe. poo poo this place lost what little humor it had. Too many fresh-faces coming off a year with the show and a new book. It's like leaving a bar and coming back to find out that it's now an AA center, or vice versa when you consider ASoIAF.
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Sep 19, 2011 05:05
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mind the walrus posted:Is this the bad thread or did this place get neutered while I was gone?
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Sep 19, 2011 05:13
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That explains a lot. Ah, flippancy turned down then.
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Sep 19, 2011 05:20
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Quantify! posted:The mods want people to post more seriously. Thank loving God for that. The Bad Thread was ridiculous, and not in a good way at all.
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Sep 19, 2011 07:32
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Was rereading parts of the book.. and saw something about the "Dance with Dragons" being an actual event.. like the burning of the 7 armies or whatever. So uh.. what was it?
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Sep 19, 2011 10:52
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Quantify! posted:That just shows Martin's bias against cold climates. Do you think it's a coincidence he lives in Santa Fe? As a reader who lives in a cold climate it's really annoying to see his views about the cold being bad pop up in every chapter. it gets down into the teens in santa fe. So it is kinda cold there.  And everyone knows that cold is evil, so there. In fact, you - living in a cold part of the world - are probably evil as well. kcroy fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Sep 19, 2011 |
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Sep 19, 2011 10:58
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kcroy posted:Was rereading parts of the book.. and saw something about the "Dance with Dragons" being an actual event.. like the burning of the 7 armies or whatever. A civil war that happened about 200 years before the series, when the Targs split over who would succeed. It was the only time dragon vs dragon combat happened in Westeros, and killed off most of them. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Sep 19, 2011 |
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Sep 19, 2011 11:01
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MikeJF posted:A civil war that happened about 200 years before the series, when the Targs split over who would succeed. It was the only time dragon vs dragon combat happened in Westeros, and killed off most of them. awesome thanks. was that in the main series? or do I need to get off my rear end and read the Egg and Dunk books or w/e? edit: and would that make this title a reference to the various Targs going to war against each other as they compete for the crown!
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Sep 19, 2011 11:09
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kcroy posted:awesome thanks. was that in the main series? or do I need to get off my rear end and read the Egg and Dunk books or w/e? The Dance with Dragon is the civil war between the rightful female heir Rhaenyra and her younger half-brother Aegon. Apparently Rhaenyra's ex-lover, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, defied the king's will and crowned Prince Aegon instead of Rhaenyra. The dragon vs dragon warfare ended when Aegon II captured Rhaenyra and had her eaten alive by his dragon in front of one of Rhaenyra's two sons, young Aegon. Aegon II died without a heir so Rhaenyra's elder son (the one who saw his mother's death) became King Aegon III the Dragonbane. He is the one blamed for the death of the last dragon even if he apparently spent lot of money buying dragon eggs and hiring foreign maegis to make them hatch. His two sons became kings, the first one Daeron I the Young Dragon died while trying to annex Dorne, the second one being Baelor the Blessed. Both died and Aegon III's younger brother ruled only one year and his nephew Aegon "Wash her and bring her to my bed" the fourth fathered a bastard with one of Aegon the third's daughter: Daemon Blackfyre. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 19, 2011 |
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Sep 19, 2011 12:43
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drkhrs2020 posted:Dinklage gets the Emmy for Tyrion. He'll find out soon enough, hands of gold are always cold... 
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Sep 19, 2011 16:06
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Azure_Horizon posted:Thank loving God for that. The Bad Thread was ridiculous, and not in a good way at all. Agreed, discussion w/r/t the actual book are much more varied and interesting now. Good postin' folks.
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YES bread posted:Agreed, discussion w/r/t the actual book are much more varied and interesting now. Good postin' folks. I think by the time three years have gone by after ADWD's release, with no clear date for the next book's release, that The Bad Thread will return. That's when I just leave The Book Barn for a long, long time.
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does anyone else feel that john died so you could argue SOMETHING happened in this book?
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Sep 19, 2011 19:42
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HarveyVdarski posted:does anyone else feel that john died so you could argue SOMETHING happened in this book?
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Azure_Horizon posted:I think by the time three years have gone by after ADWD's release, with no clear date for the next book's release, that The Bad Thread will return. What is Bad can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.
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Fog Tripper posted:"Come back to bed and kiss me." No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. "I am your queen, and I command you to gently caress me." It's enough to make you poo poo yourself bloody. Which Dany eventually provse.
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batomys posted:He'll find out soon enough, hands of gold are always cold... I'm confused - which one is the award and which one is Dinklage? Edit: \/\/\/ It was actually a combination of short and the whole gold thing...you know, because he's a Lannister. Habibi fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 19, 2011 |
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Sep 19, 2011 20:04
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Habibi posted:I'm confused - which one is the award and which one is Dinklage? He's short, folks! Get it?!
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Azure_Horizon posted:I think by the time three years have gone by after ADWD's release, with no clear date for the next book's release, that The Bad Thread will return. I don't think that the bad thread will return as it was before. People were passionate about the series back then, but it seems like a lot of folks lost a lot of that passion due to ADwD. xamphear posted:He's short, folks! Get it?! Behold a foreshadowing of the future "bad" thread.
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I'm even more passionate about the series now that George is past the "Meereenese knot". Presumably the next book will be easier to write.
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Quantify! posted:I'm even more passionate about the series now that George is past the "Meereenese knot". Presumably the next book will be easier to write. Presumably Dance was part-way done when AFFC rolled out, and it still took him 6 years to work it out. Not that I'm trying to be cynical, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.
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Azure_Horizon posted:I think by the time three years have gone by after ADWD's release, with no clear date for the next book's release, that The Bad Thread will return. You really think it'll take three years? We already went through this song-and-dance twice. I say two years tops.
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