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Rustybear posted:Also hastily shoehorned jon+dany ice n' fire targ romance puts jon and arya in direct conflict. Books end with the every major house broken and at each others throats. Hmmm. A Golden Witchbreed - Ancient Light sort of ending would be interesting.
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I'm slowly reading through this series, and am nearly finished A Clash of Kings. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why Arya didn't declare her identity to Roose Bolton after he takes Harrenhal. It doesn't seem to be explained. Surely she could prove her heritage easily enough with knowledge of her family, her upbringing, Winterfell etc. She recognises him as one of her brother's bannermen when he arrives. I just don't understand why she'd stay silent and servile.
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Cwapface posted:I'm slowly reading through this series, and am nearly finished A Clash of Kings. Arya's journey in ACoK is all about setting up whose loyalties are where. "I'm a daughter of a man just executed for treason, help me". She's already survived a few turn of events and now ends up in 'custody' of a house of whom she's wary. Arya's young and smart enough to lay low. Enough to properly plan her escape (she could read messages, etc. could move somewhat freely) But, why couldn't she have sent a raven to Robb letting him know she's somewhat safe
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Sep 21, 2011 05:24
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Cwapface posted:I'm slowly reading through this series, and am nearly finished A Clash of Kings. I don't remember exactly what the reasoning was, but I thought she was suspicious of him for some reason. I seem to recall an inner monologue where she was actually planning to do just that, and decided against it. So find that passage, I guess.
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Sep 21, 2011 05:27
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geeves posted:But, why couldn't she have sent a raven to Robb letting him know she's somewhat safe
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the kawaiiest posted:I thought of this too but I imagine she didn't do it because Ravens can be intercepted and she didn't want to be found. Wasn't Arya also suffering from minor insecurities about her family still loving her? I remember her wondering if her mother would even want her back and I thought that fear extended to Robb. She didn't know Roose personally, she just heard unsettling things about him and his house. Therefore, she didn't trust him.
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Sep 21, 2011 15:02
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Doubt she would even know how to send a raven
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Sep 21, 2011 15:13
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Quantify! posted:I look forward to Dany meeting Tyrion, but I look forward even more to Dany meeting Jaime. Jaimeee~~~ has blonde hair and a gold handddd. Daaaarioo and his gold tooth will be fast forgotten. Jaime might have to start braiding his beard. VVVV How did Jaime gently caress Tyrion over VVVV niethan fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 21, 2011 |
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Sep 21, 2011 15:22
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Quantify! posted:Foreshadowed in the first book when Tyrion gives Jon some good advice. I think Tyrion had a fair bit of loyalty to his own house, even though he hated the people in it (with the exception of Jaime, who always looked out for Tyrion). What changed his mind was getting completely hosed over by everyone in his house, including the one brother he actually liked.
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Tyrion and Jaime will be  dragon-riding bros with Danaerys, it is known.
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DirtyRobot posted:I think Tyrion had a fair bit of loyalty to his own house, even though he hated the people in it (with the exception of Jaime, who always looked out for Tyrion). What changed his mind was getting completely hosed over by everyone in his house, including the one brother he actually liked. Jaime didn't gently caress Tyrion over, he was forced to do what he did by Tywin. Besides they were basically kids back then anyway. Tyrion can feel emotional anger toward Jaime but I don't think he's justified in disowning Jaime.
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waar posted:Jaime didn't gently caress Tyrion over, he was forced to do what he did by Tywin. Besides they were basically kids back then anyway. Tyrion can feel emotional anger toward Jaime but I don't think he's justified in disowning Jaime. I must disagree. Jamie never had a problem telling Tywin to gently caress off before. It wasn't like Jaime was some kind of yes man towards his father. The fact that he went along with what his father planned and kept the secret from Tyrion, who he took an active role in shielding, makes the betrayal that much worse.
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cenzo posted:I must disagree. Jamie never had a problem telling Tywin to gently caress off before. Jaime was his father's son before the King made him one of the Kingsguard, which gave him a place in society that WASN'T heir to Casterly Rock (since he couldn't be after taking the vows anyway). His sense of honor developed while serving under Aerys and culminated in him killing the King. Which was less an act of family loyalty than an act born out of need to stop the maniac from nuking King's Landing.
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So I just finished reading A Dance with Dragons, and overall I liked it. I've liked all of the books to an extent, even A Feast for Crows. I'd probably put DwD above it though, and somewhere along the same level as CoK, but below GoT and SoS. Like a lot of people here, I was disappointed that the chapters which I thought would be most interesting (Dany, Tyrion) turned out to be a drag. At least Tyrion's started out interesting, and I did not see the reveal of Aegon coming at all, but it was just aggravating to watch Dany be so ineffectual. I was so annoyed with Dany not taking Xaro's boats and getting the hell out of Meereen (yeah, I know, personal growth and all that), but hopefully she's going to stop screwing around in the next book. I didn't find Jon's chapters especially entertaining either, but it was interesting on some level seeing him balancing out working with the wildlings, the Watch, and the Queen's Men. And while I wouldn't put it past GRRM to kill him off for good, I'll be surprised if that's the case. Not until it's verified by an independent third party, and maybe not even then. Same goes for the fate of Stannis. My favourite chapters were probably the ones with Theon and Barristan. GRRM did a great job with Theon in particular, making me sympathize and root for a character that I didn't think I ever would. I also liked that he had what passes for a happy ending (for now) in these novels. I thought the chapters with Arya and Cersei were good as well, even if they were short. One other thing I'm disappointed with was how many cliffhangers the book ended on. I understand that some of them probably weren't GRRM's decision (like the siege of Winterfell and Dany's return to Meereen), and leaving threads open for a subsequent book isn't necessarily bad, but not when you have GRRM's casual attitude to completing novels. Oh, well. Oh, and when did "Words are wind" become everyone's catchphrase? I don't think that phrase appeared even once in the first three books, or at least it barely did. Nick Biped fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 21, 2011 |
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Sep 21, 2011 19:17
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waar posted:Doubt she would even know how to send a raven What?! Noble girls text each other all loving day.
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Nick Biped posted:Oh, and when did "Words are wind" become everyone's catchphrase? I don't think that phrase appeared even once in the first three books, or at least it barely did. I must have been in book 4, right? About the time everyone started calling shiit "nightsoil" and thinking about the rafters, blackened by smoke. Just so. Dad-a-chowm, it is known.
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Ashrik posted:I must have been in book 4, right? About the time everyone started calling shiit "nightsoil" and thinking about the rafters, blackened by smoke. Just so. Dad-a-chowm, it is known. Stop bothering me, nuncle.
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"It is known" is the best phrase, not like that nuncle words are wind where do whores go poo poo. You do not gently caress with "it is known".
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I laughed for like thirty seconds after I read the part in Dance where Dany's handmaidens are arguing over which of their crushes was going to kill the other in the arena and one is all "My guy's the best, it is known" and the other gets furious and shouts "It is not known!" A stupid not-punchline five books in the making and it killed me.
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Desumaytah posted:I laughed for like thirty seconds after I read the part in Dance where Dany's handmaidens are arguing over which of their crushes was going to kill the other in the arena and one is all "My guy's the best, it is known" and the other gets furious and shouts "It is not known!" I also enjoyed this heartily. "Nipples on a breastplate" gets overused a lot too, although I think it's at least been present throughout the series.
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Ambiguatron posted:"It is known" is the best phrase, not like that nuncle words are wind where do whores go poo poo.
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So what did happen at Summerhall? Has it been discussed in any detail in the books? (Maybe it was in a Bran chapter, I tend to skim those.)
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Hijinks Ensue posted:So what did happen at Summerhall? Has it been discussed in any detail in the books? (Maybe it was in a Bran chapter, I tend to skim those.) poo poo burned, killed the King and his heir. This resulted in Aerys becoming king. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/1990/ You know, maybe.
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Desumaytah posted:I laughed for like thirty seconds after I read the part in Dance where Dany's handmaidens are arguing over which of their crushes was going to kill the other in the arena and one is all "My guy's the best, it is known" and the other gets furious and shouts "It is not known!" I also like the other one: “You are too skinny for him,” Jhiqui was saying. “You are almost a boy. Rakharo does not bed with boys. This is known.” Irri bristled back. “It is known that you are almost a cow. Rakharo does not bed with cows.”
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Sep 21, 2011 23:01
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Ross posted:"Nipples on a breastplate" gets overused a lot too, although I think it's at least been present throughout the series. Every time I came across that line, my mind would flash back to those horrible Schumacher Batman movies and those nipples he put on the Batman and Robin suits. They weren't too useful then either.
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Does someone have that image of how many times "nipples on a breastplate" came up in aDwD and the other books? I thought it was some low number, and that people just reacted so strongly to it that they imagined it was used more frequently than it actually was. And then other phrased actually were abused in the last two books.
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eggsovereasy posted:poo poo burned, killed the King and his heir. This resulted in Aerys becoming king. Jaehaerys rather, I think (except in the TV universe where Jaehaerys is skipped). Some think Gurm intends to write out the full life of Dunk and Egg, meaning Summerhall is going to be the last story. If so, it's going to make the publication pacing of the main ASoIaF novels look positively frenetic.
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NihilCredo posted:Jaehaerys rather, I think (except in the TV universe where Jaehaerys is skipped). Some think Gurm intends to write out the full life of Dunk and Egg, meaning Summerhall is going to be the last story. If so, it's going to make the publication pacing of the main ASoIaF novels look positively frenetic. And I think he only writes a new story when he's asked to participate in an anthology and prominent fantasy anthologies aren't incredibly common.
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Ross posted:"Nipples on a breastplate" gets overused a lot too, although I think it's at least been present throughout the series. I'm fine with this one because it seems like it might have been a legitimate turn of phrase from the medieval period, and it gave us that awesome punchline when Jorah marches out of the armory with just such a decorated breastplate.
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Ross posted:Yeah I'm not sure why you would cut that, that sounds great. To hit their (for once) hard deadline. That gently caress would have dragged on for AT LEAST another year. And I think "another year" in ADWD years means like 5. They pulled two major events (he had already written) and he still was working right up to the deadline. whowhatwhere posted:You really think it'll take three years? We already went through this song-and-dance twice. I say two years tops. ... you know he's taking a year off from writing. Editor suggests it would have been another year just to get to where GRRM wanted to end ADWD. So that is two years from now just to get to where GRRM's timeline for ADWD should have ended. And anyone who thinks the bad thread was horrible, should wait about 3 years, when they are really good and frustrated by the lack of new book, and read the first version of that thread. It was ridiculously funny. In fact, wait until the 5th year, when you find out the book is only half done and GRRM is in the hospital for his infected poo poo dick, and blogging about how the new wildcards book is out soon, and to quit bugging him about ASOIAF. Yeah, then go read it. Anyway - what is up with Melisindre being the "best" in her order but 1) Doesn't have pimp spells like Moroq 2) can't read the flames as well as morroq edit: and thanks to peeps who summarized Dance with Dragons war with me. kcroy fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Sep 22, 2011 |
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kcroy posted:Anyway - what is up with Melisindre being the "best" in her order but 1) Doesn't have pimp spells like Moroq 2) can't read the flames as well as morroq
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Ambiguatron posted:"It is known" is the best phrase, not like that nuncle words are wind where do whores go poo poo. Just so.
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kcroy posted:Anyway - what is up with Melisindre being the "best" in her order but 1) Doesn't have pimp spells like Moroq 2) can't read the flames as well as morroq And 'Just so' is the best.
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cheese posted:When do we hear that she is the best in her order? Its pretty clear that while she is powerful, shes far from top dog in the Order of Rhllor or whatever. Mel claimed she was the best flame-reader she knew at one point. Don't think it was ever claimed she was the generally best. And she may well be better at seeing things in the flames as Moroq, she just messed up interpreting that big one.
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niethan posted:Jaimeee~~~ has blonde hair and a gold handddd. Daaaarioo and his gold tooth will be fast forgotten. Jaime might have to start braiding his beard. gently caress you, ~my Daario~ is awesome and he will be with Dany forever and ever as ~soulmates~! And kcroy is right, the bad thread kicked rear end. It was hilarious. Recently it tried to come back via PHIZ but it lasted like 4 hours.
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kcroy posted:... you know he's taking a year off from writing. Editor suggests it would have been another year just to get to where GRRM wanted to end ADWD. So that is two years from now just to get to where GRRM's timeline for ADWD should have ended. You really think it'll take three years? We already went through this song-and-dance twice. I say two years tops. (whowhatwhere's post meant the bad thread coming back, not a new book coming out)
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kcroy posted:Anyway - what is up with Melisindre being the "best" in her order but 1) Doesn't have pimp spells like Moroq 2) can't read the flames as well as morroq I think she's just a bit stupid. "Urgh, I keep asking for Azhor Ahai, and all I see is you, Jon. What's wrong with this thing?" *Turns fire on and off again*
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Junkenstein posted:I think she's just a bit stupid. It's possible that the flames were just leading her to Jon by some greater design through Stannis. Stannis just has his part to play and leads her to the Wall. And perhaps the Wall was obfuscating Jon (ice trumps fire?).
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Bounded Empire posted:You really think it'll take three years? We already went through this song-and-dance twice. I say two years tops. grrm couldn't wipe his rear end in 2 years. Considering how complex the books have gotten, his terrible method of 'note-keeping' that relies on fan knowledge of events/people, and his exhaustive schedule of cons/pizza tasting, there's no way this book is out before 2014
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Quantify! posted:Gonna be funny to see Stannis behead her for loving him up like she did. Wait, what?
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