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I am a self-professed non-Porsche guy, but  Edit: gently caress, new page. I was referring to the last post. For some content, this is a pretty drat handsome CNG car http://jalopnik.com/5842053/how-to-make-a-green-car-sexy Boaz MacPhereson fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 22, 2011 |
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That car looks brilliant, just a bit dumb to have to call it "green". From the article though, something jumped out at me: "If you have a natural-gas line at home, such as for your stove, you can even buy a converter to make your own CNG." That can't be legal, surely? Or is it the same kind of thing as biodiesel where you should pay take on what you use but there's nobody to enforce it? Home natural gas is way way cheaper than LPG.
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~Coxy posted:That car looks brilliant, just a bit dumb to have to call it "green". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_GX
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Not much info in that wiki article but from looking up the Phill I guess home refuelling cannot make financial sense even with the cheaper price per therm.
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New Alfa Giulietta based Dodge Caliber spotted. Also, the new M5 will have Active Sound Design. It's... exactly what it sounds like.
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Throatwarbler posted:Also, the new M5 will have Active Sound Design. It's... exactly what it sounds like.
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kimbo305 posted:Sigh. Reminds me of the VW ad where the old beetle talks and makes vrooming noises. Don't treat me like a child; treat me like a driving enthusiast. I'll pay the extra thousands for you guys to engineer the real sound to be good. Who needs some fancy BMW engineered engine sounds when they make this http://www.soundracer.se/?p=98
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That would be awesome if the engine sounds didn't sound computerized/electronic. If they made one that sounded like a real 5.0 Mustang with Flowmasters I'd be all over it.
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Throatwarbler posted:
Sounds design is not new, sorry to burst your bubble.
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2ndclasscitizen posted:So it turns out the 991 is pretty fast. 997 GT3 fast. 2013: 991 GT2 RS with PDK and Röhrl at the wheel…  Looking forward to that youtube video! eames fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Sep 24, 2011 |
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Boiled Water posted:Sounds design is not new, sorry to burst your bubble. Though I think the aftermarket guys are missing a trick - sell one for four-cylinder Wrangler owners that replicates the thrudding and turbo spool of a big diesel...
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Isn't it more because the cabin sound insulation is so good that they feel like you're missing out on the fun up front? Plus I'm sure you can turn it off. If not, then that is a little weird.
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InitialDave posted:I'm aware that manufacturers tune their cars to make the sound customers expect, but this is the first time I've seen a factory system that replicates an appropriate sound for you. It's pretty pathetic, really. Don't know what "bubble" of mine is being popped here, I never said it was new. IIRC some version of the Honda Accord had a similar system except the stereo put out sound waves designed to cancel out cabin noise, like in a noise cancelling headset, to make the cabin quieter.
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I, for one, can't think of a metaphor for a modern BMW that's better than the reality they presented here. You are isolated so much from the car that you need a computer simulation to draw you into the ultimate driving machine.
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Isn't that almost exactly like that cigarette lighter device that makes fake V8 sounds? I was thinking of buying one for my friend who drives a Prius. In the new M5, I have to say that's incredibly misguided. It's one thing to have a pleasant commuter vehicle that's also a balls-out sport sedan but to replicate engine noise through the car stereo? Come on that's just sad. I know they probably justified it with some ridiculous internal logic like "ve vant to allow ze driver to adjust zee experience to their exact preferences... including only hearing the engine roar ven zey vant to." Pretty soon their entire lineup will be turbo 4's mated to an electronic driveline that makes any fake sound you want, V8, V12, boost-crazy 4-banger. The choice is yours! gently caress hybrids. Yeticopter fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 24, 2011 |
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I can understand the draw of sound kits for laughs on hybrid or electric cars, but it does seem a little silly on a gasoline powered car. I wonder if it's just cheaper than doing something like Maserati system where you hit a "sport" button and it opens a port in the exhaust system that amplifies the engine noise. The idea of having Tesla that makes ambient DOOM zombie noises while idling and a hell baron scream when accelerating with sound kit amuses me, as long as I could switch the kit off after the five or so minutes I imagine it would take the joke to get old.
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Bat Legs posted:I can understand the draw of sound kits for laughs on hybrid or electric cars, but it does seem a little silly on a gasoline powered car. I wonder if it's just cheaper than doing something like Maserati system where you hit a "sport" button and it opens a port in the exhaust system that amplifies the engine noise. Sounds like what you're talking about is an electronic exhaust cutout
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Throatwarbler posted:Don't know what "bubble" of mine is being popped here, I never said it was new. IIRC some version of the Honda Accord had a similar system except the stereo put out sound waves designed to cancel out cabin noise, like in a noise cancelling headset, to make the cabin quieter. Ah the 90s. Many Japanese Nissans and Mitsubishis had the same system
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Throatwarbler posted:IIRC some version of the Honda Accord had a similar system except the stereo put out sound waves designed to cancel out cabin noise, like in a noise cancelling headset, to make the cabin quieter. I don't know why they wouldn't make the exhaust nice and loud on the M5, then implement a system like this that's switchable by the driver. Bat Legs posted:I wonder if it's just cheaper than doing something like Maserati system where you hit a "sport" button and it opens a port in the exhaust system that amplifies the engine noise. The best use of those is Aprilia's on the RSV4 superbike. The valve is only closed in neutral so it can pass the noise test for emissions approval, then the moment you select first it opens right up. 2ndclasscitizen fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 25, 2011 |
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2ndclasscitizen posted:I don't know why they wouldn't make the exhaust nice and loud on the M5, then implement a system like this that's switchable by the driver. I guess the unusual exhaust layout of the turbo V8 makes the noises different that what people expect.
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2ndclasscitizen posted:I don't know why they wouldn't make the exhaust nice and loud on the M5, then implement a system like this that's switchable by the driver. I’d say the target audience changed. The M-series (5 and 7 in particular, 1 and 3 not so much) is moving from "sporty cars for enthusiasts" to "luxurious car for your loaded wife". Just look at the interior of the F10 M5… or its weight for that matter.
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Lotus started useing electronics to change the cars sounds some time ago. " http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_Car_And_Driver.htm Lotus's extensive four-cylinder experience has led to a novel approach to noise reduction. An experimental system called "adaptive noise control" uses microphones to monitor engine noise in a car's passenger compartment. A computer resolves the noise into its basic frequencies and uses the car's sound system to generate the same frequencies in reverse phase. The opposing sound waves cancel each other out resulting in a much quieter cabin. The system is still in the earliest stages of development, but it promises to be much more effective than conventional sound-deadening techniques." Here is 1 car that.. Im sure alot will love a Ford with the RS500 badge, brings back great memories of the Ford RS/Cosworth era.. 
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DirtyAddict posted:Lotus started useing electronics to change the cars sounds some time ago.
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So did anyone realise that big Bugatti was coming out? I was speaking to a dude today who has bought one. Ridiculous.
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I know the V8.mp3 in the M5 is bad, but isn't BMW doing something similar to get the I6 sound out of the new 4 cylinder they're putting in the new Z cars? At least the M5 isn't faking it -as- bad.
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Couldn't you just open a window? Or drive through a tunnel? Or both? "you do not understand BMW M5 buyers" -BMW marketing team My guess is BMW was losing tosser market share to Audi so had to give their tossers something new and lame to show off to their tosser friends.
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The more I read about the new features cars come packed with these days the more I want to build a kit car with a manual 5 speed & v8.
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http://jalopnik.com/5843721/nissan-europes-secret-godzilla+powered-super-juke Apparently Nissan Europe wants to put the twin turbo v6 from the GTR into a Nissan Juke. I have no problems with this.
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Hot Cops posted:I know the V8.mp3 in the M5 is bad, but isn't BMW doing something similar to get the I6 sound out of the new 4 cylinder they're putting in the new Z cars? At least the M5 isn't faking it -as- bad. yes
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69sofine posted:http://jalopnik.com/5843721/nissan-europes-secret-godzilla+powered-super-juke A while back someone posted a photoshop of the juke that removed the upper lights & sank then into the grill. Combine these two & I may make a financially stupid decision.
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Cakefool posted:A while back someone posted a photoshop of the juke that removed the upper lights & sank then into the grill. Combine these two & I may make a financially stupid decision. I remember that thread. I forgot exactly why everyone was photoshoping the juke though. I don't really mind the 2 sets of headlights. It looks ugly but at least it doesn't look like an accord or camry
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69sofine posted:http://jalopnik.com/5843721/nissan-europes-secret-godzilla+powered-super-juke And it will probably never come to the states because someone hates us.
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dag01 posted:And it will probably never come to the states because someone hates us. Its never going to get made. The GT-R needs to be as large as it is to fit the drivetrain in, no way that'd be going in a Juke
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dissss posted:Its never going to get made. Even if it gets made, it'd be a one-off.
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A5H posted:So did anyone realise that big Bugatti was coming out? I imagine if you're wealthy enough to purchase one, you can probably talk to Bugatti directly. Even if they're right on the cusp of approving it, it'll be a while before even the most interested customer can get their hands on the production model.
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Mr. Pither posted:The Galibier? Last I heard they're on some kind of hold, but I guess it's nothing official. It's not on hold apparently. £1.3 mil. Delivered end of 2012.
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That's pretty cool then. I like the idea of all that crazy technology being in a massive sedan. I always thought the Veyron's headlights were a big blemish on its styling and the concept Galibier looks a lot better in that regard. Of course, I'll be very surprised if I ever even see one in person!
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So has the 7spd manual 991 popped up anywhere? I want to see the shift pattern/possible lockout.
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Ziploc posted:So has the 7spd manual 991 popped up anywhere? I want to see the shift pattern/possible lockout.  The next Corvette is also going to 7 speeds.
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Throatwarbler posted:
So, how does one avoid shifting into 7th from 4th, I wonder?
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