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Deep Thoreau
Aug 16, 2008

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

9 int 9 luck nothing else matters.

10 int 10 luck gently caress da police.


I usually do 10 int and 5 everything else.

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new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

9 int 9 luck nothing else matters.

Sorting inventory can get tedious if you don't have a decent amount of STR.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

vandalism posted:

Welp I'm starting a new game. What is objectively the best starting special stat allocation?

it depends on your build. like, if you want to go melee, you want to pump END up, but if you're strictly ranged, you can get by with 3/4. You almost certainly want high INT though, just for those precious skill points

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
~my last build~ for an unarmed char was 8/1/9/1/10/1/10. it was kinda gimmicky and I didn't plan on using it for like 40 hours like I did, so you don't actually need 10 luck (8 and common sense will get you thrown out of a casino for playing blackjack within ten minutes)

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

9 int 9 luck nothing else matters.
That's a pretty good starting point. (My current character is 4/4/6/4/9/4/9.)

quote:

Just got This Machine @ level 1 :lol: sure I have no .308 ammo and I don't think I can buy it until 10-12 BUT IT'S MINE
How'd you do that? I thought you had to be at least level 12 to get that quest.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

I'm loving the battle rifle. PING

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


DaveWoo posted:

How'd you do that? I thought you had to be at least level 12 to get that quest.

If you hack Contreras PC (50 science) you can get the manifest and turn him in for it

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Tewratomeh posted:

The gold bars are from the Sierra Madre Casino (Dead Money), and they're worth an insane amount of money apiece.

They're also incredibly heavy and located in a section that requires you to be able to run fast in a short amount of time, so you have to be really careful abot how many (if any) you pick up. The moral of Dead Money is letting go, everybody who fails to resist the temptation of the vault dies.... except the Courier, who gets to go in, walk out, and take some of that precious booty with him! :clint:

I've been using mine to finance my addiction to getting implants, I actually cleared out all my caps the other day for the first time, which meant.... I just had to go pick up another of my stash of gold bars and jump up another 8k!

vandalism
Aug 4, 2003
My guy with 9 int at level 50 has every skill at 100 except for energy weapons vOv

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

pre:
*************
CLUTCH  NIXON
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The Hero We Need

Tewratomeh posted:

Either we're thinking of two different guitars or you mean to tell me that they actually put a Gun Runners special weapon in a DLC.

I'm not sure - I thought you were referring to the Lone Wanderer's guitar, which (as best I can tell) appears to be a simple item, albeit one that requires you to vamoose really fast if you steal it from a live Wanderer. Dead Money has a guitar just sitting around in one particular upstairs room.

Does GRA *have* a guitar? I don't recall seeing one in the previews at BethBlog...

Hank Morgan
Jun 17, 2007

Light Along the Inverse Curve.
I just love this game. I just completed the Sic Semper Tyrannis challenge by shooting Kimbal in the back of the head on top of the helipad and then jumped off the ledge to make my escape and broke my leg upon landing. The only thing I was missing was a derringer and it would have been perfect.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Jerusalem posted:

They're also incredibly heavy and located in a section that requires you to be able to run fast in a short amount of time, so you have to be really careful abot how many (if any) you pick up. The moral of Dead Money is letting go, everybody who fails to resist the temptation of the vault dies.... except the Courier, who gets to go in, walk out, and take some of that precious booty with him! :clint:

Kill Elijah, gib his body. Grab all the gold, transfer it to his corpse, pick an eyeball (press Z), run to exit, loot eyeball for approximately 2 tons of gold, escape, crawl to exit/mojave, hope you got the fast travel while overburdened perk!

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Kill Elijah, gib his body. Grab all the gold, transfer it to his corpse, pick an eyeball (press Z), run to exit, loot eyeball for approximately 2 tons of gold, escape, crawl to exit/mojave, hope you got the fast travel while overburdened perk!

This is far more funny than it has any right to be.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Kill Elijah, gib his body. Grab all the gold, transfer it to his corpse, pick an eyeball (press Z), run to exit, loot eyeball for approximately 2 tons of gold, escape, crawl to exit/mojave, hope you got the fast travel while overburdened perk!

Nah no need to waste a perk slot, it's a short walk to Novac then you can mail the tonnes of gold through the apparently very strong and trustworthy Mojave express.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

vandalism posted:

Welp I'm starting a new game. What is objectively the best starting special stat allocation?

This is my next run (numbers in parenthesis are the totals after all stat implant boosts from the medical facility:)

Str 7 (10) - (also includes OWB Spineless +2)
Per 5 (6)
End 9 (10)
Cha 1 (2)
Int 5 (6)
Agi 9 (10)
Luc 4 (5)

This gives you access to basically all the good perks and should get all skills to 100 or close to it. Of course, you can play the game any way you want.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

I have 9 luck and lost all my chips at the casino :(

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Kill Elijah, gib his body. Grab all the gold, transfer it to his corpse, pick an eyeball (press Z), run to exit, loot eyeball for approximately 2 tons of gold, escape, crawl to exit/mojave, hope you got the fast travel while overburdened perk!

I'm convinced that the other motif in DM - besides letting go - is that people do absolutely horrific things for a fistful of caps.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

AlmightyBob posted:

I have 9 luck and lost all my chips at the casino :(

"20"
"Hit Me"

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Bigass Moth posted:

"20"
"Hit Me"

To be fair with 9 luck this more often than not works out perfectly.

Floodworks
Apr 6, 2010

Our bones will bleach in the sun.
Yeah 9 luck here and I double down on 20 all the time.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
Never said it doesn't happen but if you have 9 luck and lose at gambling you're doing something wrong.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another
I like having an updated OP, but I take issue with the statement that there's no useless perks. I mean can anyone really justify taking Retention? Or Entomologist now that we don't have to deal with FO3's albino radscorpions? And all of the radiation related perks, pretty much, since rad-away is generally plentiful and the ones that give benefit for radiation are never worth it. And the ones that allow you to redo broken locks/ computers. And the one that makes nightstalker squeezins give bonuses because honestly by level 20 you're not gonna see a nightstalker again unless you're exploring all the caves/ doing Lily's quest.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

sup rope kid the bozar blows nuts i have 100 skill assault rifles in the new (severely nerfed) 2.5 armory scale that are more powerful than that

i expected a slower firing harder hitting lmg

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

Cicadalek posted:

I like having an updated OP, but I take issue with the statement that there's no useless perks. I mean can anyone really justify taking Retention? Or Entomologist now that we don't have to deal with FO3's albino radscorpions? And all of the radiation related perks, pretty much, since rad-away is generally plentiful and the ones that give benefit for radiation are never worth it. And the ones that allow you to redo broken locks/ computers. And the one that makes nightstalker squeezins give bonuses because honestly by level 20 you're not gonna see a nightstalker again unless you're exploring all the caves/ doing Lily's quest.

Yeah, there's still alot of useless perks. I usually pick Intense Training to qualify for better perks if I can't get anything good at a particular level.

wafflemoose fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Sep 28, 2011

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

Starhawk64 posted:

Yeah, there's still alot of useless perks. I usually pick Intense training if I can't get anything good at a particular level.

There is ALWAYS a better option than Intense Training if you plan your character correctly.

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

sup rope kid the bozar blows nuts i have 100 skill assault rifles in the new (severely nerfed) 2.5 armory scale that are more powerful than that

i expected a slower firing harder hitting lmg
I don't know why you would expect that. The original Bozar was a 30 round automatic weapon that fired in 15 round bursts. The reason it caused so much damage was because of the volume of ammo it threw at enemies.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

rope kid posted:

I don't know why you would expect that. The original Bozar was a 30 round automatic weapon that fired in 15 round bursts. The reason it caused so much damage was because of the volume of ammo it threw at enemies.
each of those shots did twice the damage of a hunting rifle shot :catdrugs:

I have a strong bias against low DAM weapons that aren't the guns using 5mm due to the damage system

edit: w/e i'm just going to mod it so it's a semi auto .50 anyway :cb:

Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Sep 28, 2011

Star Guarded
Feb 10, 2008

I get 10 END on every character I make just so I can get all those sweet implants.

I used to always have 10 INT but now I usually just have 8 (with the implant). Between skill books and 50 levels it's easy to get all the skill points you need, especially if you just have one combat skill. I don't even get educated, but you could grab that if you really want more than one combat skill before level 30, I guess. My level 25 character right now pretty much has all of their relevant skill points maxed (besides barter and survival, which I'm working on)

Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch
After listening to someone in the Bombcast ask why games nowadays aren't gibfests like first person shooters of old I just want to thank Bethesda and Obsidian for realizing what makes games great.


...blowing people apart in the messiest way possible.

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

edit: w/e i'm just going to mod it so it's a semi auto .50 anyway :cb:
:c00l:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Kill Elijah, gib his body. Grab all the gold, transfer it to his corpse, pick an eyeball (press Z), run to exit, loot eyeball for approximately 2 tons of gold, escape, crawl to exit/mojave, hope you got the fast travel while overburdened perk!

You sir are an absolute monster... I wish I'd thought of that!

Graviija
Apr 26, 2008

Implied, Lisa...or implode?
College Slice
Yeah, I gotta admit I'm a little disappointed in the Bozar. I just spent 45k caps on the thing (I don't know how expensive it is in vanilla - I have the hardest level of Bartertown running) and, well. I'll just stick with the All-American/anti-materiel rifle.

It is a cool gun to have leaning against the wall in my Novac hotel home, though.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another
You can actually (DM spoilers)grab all the gold and just crawl out the door that Father Elijah dosen't use, if you have a stealth boy. He needs to not spot you for it to work, I think.

The lengths you have to go to to get around the weight limit really drive home the message of Dead Money, i think.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

Goddamn I love the Boomers



Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Bigass Moth posted:

There is ALWAYS a better option than Intense Training if you plan your character correctly.

Yeah, I never got the obsession with Intense Training. Unless you're really bad at picking them in the first five minutes, your SPECIAL stats should cover all the perks you want, and even the gimmicky perks like Lady Killer seem more useful than just adding +1 to END or AGL.

Floodworks
Apr 6, 2010

Our bones will bleach in the sun.
Intense training made a lot more sense back before DLC raised the level cap. I used to use it first level to take my character from 8 to 9 luck so i could round out at 10 with an implant. Confirmed bachelor now. Sup Major Knight :a2m:

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Mikael Kreoss posted:

I posted a guide to level 4 100 lockpick on, like, the first page. I'd link it but the SA droid app is truly Awful.

Just tell him to click on the ? next to the date you posted maybe.

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Jerusalem posted:

I've been using mine to finance my addiction to getting implants, I actually cleared out all my caps the other day for the first time, which meant.... I just had to go pick up another of my stash of gold bars and jump up another 8k!

This is unironically not the first time I have heard this.

Cicadalek posted:

I like having an updated OP, but I take issue with the statement that there's no useless perks. I mean can anyone really justify taking Retention? Or Entomologist now that we don't have to deal with FO3's albino radscorpions? And all of the radiation related perks, pretty much, since rad-away is generally plentiful and the ones that give benefit for radiation are never worth it. And the ones that allow you to redo broken locks/ computers. And the one that makes nightstalker squeezins give bonuses because honestly by level 20 you're not gonna see a nightstalker again unless you're exploring all the caves/ doing Lily's quest.

In my defense, I was working while editing that part of the FAQ. Please take a look over it and help me out though.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

EthanEde posted:

Intense training made a lot more sense back before DLC raised the level cap. I used to use it first level to take my character from 8 to 9 luck so i could round out at 10 with an implant. Confirmed bachelor now. Sup Major Knight :a2m:

The best Confirmed Bachelor:

"During Beyond the Beef, the Courier can lure Carlyle St. Clair III by proposing to have sex with him in a dumpster. "

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Deep Thoreau
Aug 16, 2008

AlmightyBob posted:

Goddamn I love the Boomers





I don't know what that is, but it's fantastic. He looks like a long-lost Village People member. :gay:

Confirmed Bachelor really is good, I used to take intense training, but now I use CB instead.

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