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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Powdered Toast Man posted:

Uh. A diorama of a railway car being unloaded at a concentration camp? Seriously? That's rather disturbing.

A lot of the guys there do commission work for different museums.

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

That 1/72 Swedish tank is just astonishing. (Reconsiders weathering on the Challenger.)

OK, here's a question: I was in the local hobby shop recently buying some paint and was tempted for the first time to buy one of those model magazines. Where do you guys go to learn fancypants techniques?

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants
I said earlier that I was working on the Revell Charles W. Morgan model. Thankfully they have the instruction sheet online so I can ask this question easier: http://www.revell.de/manual/05094.PDF

I got up to step 53 and I'm fine until then, some stuff was tricky but I got it good enough. I'm looking at the next few steps though and I don't understand how I'm supposed to do them with the sails on? These steps where I'm supposed to tie into the hitches on the deck of the boat are tough enough as it is, but they seem impossible with all the sails in the way, not to mention the pictures make it look like the ropes are going through where the sails are? Are these optional steps for if you don't put up sails?

Tiglath III
Feb 25, 2005

Epi Lepi posted:

I said earlier that I was working on the Revell Charles W. Morgan model. Thankfully they have the instruction sheet online so I can ask this question easier: http://www.revell.de/manual/05094.PDF

I got up to step 53 and I'm fine until then, some stuff was tricky but I got it good enough. I'm looking at the next few steps though and I don't understand how I'm supposed to do them with the sails on? These steps where I'm supposed to tie into the hitches on the deck of the boat are tough enough as it is, but they seem impossible with all the sails in the way, not to mention the pictures make it look like the ropes are going through where the sails are? Are these optional steps for if you don't put up sails?

That just looks really fiddly, I had the same problem with the Cutty Sark Airfix kit.

It takes forever to rig up. If you look carefully all the tie locations are from the ends of either sail booms and being tied diagonally to the boom in front, essentially just triangles. It looks more difficult than it really is. Good luck with it

who cares
Jul 25, 2006

Doomsday Machine
I am about to start working on a Revell lunar module and I need to attach some gold foil to a couple parts. What kind of glue would work best for that?

MyronMulch
Nov 12, 2006

Don't do what I did way back in the mid-70's, when I used Testor's plastic cement all over the legs of the LEM to glue on the gold foil -- all the cement turned the legs into the consistency of Jello, such that they couldn't support the weight of the lander anymore! The kit was ruined...

I would suggest a sparing amount of superglue.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Nebakenezzer posted:

That 1/72 Swedish tank is just astonishing. (Reconsiders weathering on the Challenger.)

OK, here's a question: I was in the local hobby shop recently buying some paint and was tempted for the first time to buy one of those model magazines. Where do you guys go to learn fancypants techniques?


My dad subscribes to Military Modelling and I always take time to browse through the recent issues when I visit him. They always have lots of pretty pictures and a few tutorial style articles that usually starts with "So I picked up a model by Company X, scoffed at their simplifications, and bought a ton of post market etched brass kits/scratched built everything but the basics".

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

lilljonas posted:

My dad subscribes to Military Modelling and I always take time to browse through the recent issues when I visit him. They always have lots of pretty pictures and a few tutorial style articles that usually starts with "So I picked up a model by Company X, scoffed at their simplifications, and bought a ton of post market etched brass kits/scratched built everything but the basics".

The amount of knowledge some of these people have is obsessive. I have a 1/72 Maus kit that I'm going to start next, and an online reviewer was all "It's a very nice kit, aside from a few minor flaws (lists about twenty minor inadequacies.)" And this is a tank that never made it into production, and the solitary remaining one in existence is in a museum where some armed guard has to be with you at all times.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Yeah, the only remaining Maus is in the Kubinka proving grounds in Russia. Since it's still technically classified, foreigners aren't allowed in without an escort, and taking too many pictures of one thing isn't allowed.

If you're Russian, on the other hand, you can just do whatever. I've been there when I was 10 or so, and they even let kids climb on the exhibits, it was awesome.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

who cares posted:

I am about to start working on a Revell lunar module and I need to attach some gold foil to a couple parts. What kind of glue would work best for that?
PVA will be more than enough, but having watched an etcher do gold leaf work gently pressing it on should be fine as long as you don't intend to move it.

Skunkduster
Jul 15, 2005




I recently started shooting lacquer through my airbrush and noticed a huge difference in how much easier it is to clean lacquers than acrylics out of an airbrush. I can get the airbrush squeaky clean right at my desk using a couple squirts of lacquer thinner and a Q-Tip, but cleaning acrylics involves a trip to the sink and metal brush scrubbers.

I'm strongly considering a sonic cleaner for acrylics. Does anybody have any recommendations on which sonic cleaner to buy and what type of cleaning solution to put in it? I have a bottle of W&N Brush Cleaner that is very good at dissolving dried paint, but it is also very good at dissolving blue nitrile surgical gloves. It also has an oily feel and doesn't evaporate. It works very well as a brush cleaner, but isn't something I want to dunk my airbrush in and wait for a few days for it to dry out.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.

who cares posted:

I am about to start working on a Revell lunar module and I need to attach some gold foil to a couple parts. What kind of glue would work best for that?

Spray fixative adhesive is good, but you only get one chance, because it bonds instantly.

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005

SkunkDuster posted:

I recently started shooting lacquer through my airbrush and noticed a huge difference in how much easier it is to clean lacquers than acrylics out of an airbrush. I can get the airbrush squeaky clean right at my desk using a couple squirts of lacquer thinner and a Q-Tip, but cleaning acrylics involves a trip to the sink and metal brush scrubbers.

I'm strongly considering a sonic cleaner for acrylics. Does anybody have any recommendations on which sonic cleaner to buy and what type of cleaning solution to put in it? I have a bottle of W&N Brush Cleaner that is very good at dissolving dried paint, but it is also very good at dissolving blue nitrile surgical gloves. It also has an oily feel and doesn't evaporate. It works very well as a brush cleaner, but isn't something I want to dunk my airbrush in and wait for a few days for it to dry out.

I use loew-cornell brush soap (likely the same sort of stuff you have, though mine doesn't leave any sort of oily residue and evaporates just fine, if slowly), pull the airbush apart and let the parts soak for a bit, then give it a bit of plain old soapy water to clean out the last of the brush soap before painting again (as spraying some brush soap onto a partially painted model would be really, really bad).

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Ensign Expendable posted:

Yeah, the only remaining Maus is in the Kubinka proving grounds in Russia. Since it's still technically classified, foreigners aren't allowed in without an escort, and taking too many pictures of one thing isn't allowed.

If you're Russian, on the other hand, you can just do whatever. I've been there when I was 10 or so, and they even let kids climb on the exhibits, it was awesome.

That is hilarious and awesome.

I'm building a 1/144 Amodel Antonov right now. Trip report thus far: it is a good kit of an interesting subject, but their low run technology must age poorly. Many flaws make for much sanding.

Sun Dog
Dec 25, 2002

Old School Gamer.

Epi Lepi posted:

I said earlier that I was working on the Revell Charles W. Morgan model. Thankfully they have the instruction sheet online so I can ask this question easier: http://www.revell.de/manual/05094.PDF

I got up to step 53 and I'm fine until then, some stuff was tricky but I got it good enough. I'm looking at the next few steps though and I don't understand how I'm supposed to do them with the sails on? These steps where I'm supposed to tie into the hitches on the deck of the boat are tough enough as it is, but they seem impossible with all the sails in the way, not to mention the pictures make it look like the ropes are going through where the sails are? Are these optional steps for if you don't put up sails?

Ok, I see what's going on. Take a look at step 71. You can see the ropes that go 'through' the sails are actually somewhat loose. They pass under the sail. They're sheets, ropes for adjusting the sail angle. On a real ship, those sheets brush the underside of the sail when the sail is limp, but are out of the way when the sail is full.

However, the attachment point under where sail "K" goes... that looks funny. That diagram doesn't jive with the last diagram in step 71.

Here's a picture of the actual rigging, if it helps.

kryptonik
May 10, 2007

by Ozmaugh
Hey guys. I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction of a first model ship to get?
I have some model experience, but haven't made one in a long time.
I was hoping to get something that is some what "all in one", or like a full kit with everything I need since I have no tools or anything.

I also don't want to start something that is impossible for a beginner, but I also don't want to make some lame canoe or something. It doesn't have to have sails though. An old tug or chris craft would be pretty awesome.

Any info really helps!

Edit: I'd also like it to be wood. I'm not so interested in the plastic ships.

kryptonik fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 7, 2011

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

kryptonik posted:

Hey guys. I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction of a first model ship to get?
I have some model experience, but haven't made one in a long time.
I was hoping to get something that is some what "all in one", or like a full kit with everything I need since I have no tools or anything.

I also don't want to start something that is impossible for a beginner, but I also don't want to make some lame canoe or something. It doesn't have to have sails though. An old tug or chris craft would be pretty awesome.

Any info really helps!

Edit: I'd also like it to be wood. I'm not so interested in the plastic ships.

Where do you live? Either way you can check here: http://www.modelhobbies.co.uk/shop/wooden-ship-kits-c-161.html
for some guidance as to price levels and what kinds of kits are available. I've only done tiny metal ships (1:1200), but I can tell you that much of the work when making sailing ships is in the drat rigging. It's fun, but a true challenge. Be prepared that wooden kits are far more expensive than plastic ones.

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants
Finished my Revell Charles W. Morgan kit! Rigging was one hell of a bitch, but I'm looking forward to my next ship. This was my first experience with a model that wasn't made by Games Workshop so it was definitely a neat experience.







Sun Dog
Dec 25, 2002

Old School Gamer.

Epi Lepi posted:

Finished my Revell Charles W. Morgan kit! Rigging was one hell of a bitch, but I'm looking forward to my next ship. This was my first experience with a model that wasn't made by Games Workshop so it was definitely a neat experience.



Ship ahoy! Now get a little Captain Morgan figure for it :3

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

What kinda cloth is used for the sails? Looks nice, BTW. But where are the whale guts?!

Morgenthau
Aug 28, 2007
Circumstances have gone beyond my control.
Good timing I found this thread as soon as I was about to start off my nascent military modelling!

I usually build mecha but recently I've been turned off massively by it so I have decided I'd focus my attention on planes for a while.

I've shittily built a Hasegawa 1/48 Bf-109F4 on my first attempt here and as you can see it totally doesn't look like how the colors are supposed to be at all.







But gently caress it, planes are cool, and I like building 'em.
Currently I'm working on a Hasegawa 1/72 Sea harrier, which has taken way too long,


and I've got a production line going; a Revell 1/48 Ta-154 Moskito and a mystery black plane. Anyone knows what it is? :D

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Mystery plane looks like the old Testors Soviet stealth fighter but I don't remember what they called it.

Skunkduster
Jul 15, 2005




How did you do the stripes on the fuel tank?

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

Nebakenezzer posted:

What kinda cloth is used for the sails? Looks nice, BTW. But where are the whale guts?!

No cloth, just the vacuformed plastic sails that came with the kit. They didn't look so great to me when I first cut them out, but I'm pretty happy with how they look on the model.

Morgenthau
Aug 28, 2007
Circumstances have gone beyond my control.

Midjack posted:

Mystery plane looks like the old Testors Soviet stealth fighter but I don't remember what they called it.

That's correct! I remembered seeing it as a kid and having my memories blown when I encountered the Italeri rerelease at my local hobby place.
As a result now I'm really interested in collecting those retro-futuristic plane kits from the 80's though they're hard to find.

Sexy!

The stripes on the fuel tank are actually enamel washes, are they on too thick? I'm still kind of into the mecha modelling mindset when I built this so the building steps compared to a normal aircraft build was kind of weird.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Morgenthau posted:

That's correct! I remembered seeing it as a kid and having my memories blown when I encountered the Italeri rerelease at my local hobby place.

I may have to get my paws on that; I didn't know it had been re-released!


EDIT: And this one:



was once Monogram's stab at what the F-117 looked like, when we thought it was curvy and called the F-19; looks like they either recolored it afterwards or the F-19 was a recolor of this one.

Midjack fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 9, 2011

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Morgenthau posted:

I've shittily built a Hasegawa 1/48 Bf-109F4 on my first attempt here and as you can see it totally doesn't look like how the colors are supposed to be at all.
You are either falsly modest or insane.

Morgenthau
Aug 28, 2007
Circumstances have gone beyond my control.

Midjack posted:

I may have to get my paws on that; I didn't know it had been re-released!


EDIT: And this one:



was once Monogram's stab at what the F-117 looked like, when we thought it was curvy and called the F-19; looks like they either recolored it afterwards or the F-19 was a recolor of this one.

Me too, the box is like this for reference.


That's a concept art of the F-19 I posted but I have seen the box. It's all in black so I'll definitely be repainting it to fit the colors in that pic.
I'm also looking for the Testors F-19 if I can find it.
Ebay has lots but shipping from the US is like 3 times the cost of the kit if they send it to where I am.

Arquinsiel posted:

You are either falsly modest or insane.
I dunno, the boxart looks more greyish in there.

I tried to make a balance between the grey and green splotches in there but it turned out in one giant mess. :ohdear:
Mine's a horrible greenish.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Having seen the actual planes at Hendon I think you're okay.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Morgenthau posted:

I dunno, the boxart looks more greyish in there.

I tried to make a balance between the grey and green splotches in there but it turned out in one giant mess. :ohdear:
Mine's a horrible greenish.

Box it up, mail it to me and I'll give you $20 for your troubles. I don't want an "ugly" 109 such as that making you depressed and affecting your work.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

My 1/72 BV-(p)194.



The lighter dark green turned out darker then I thought it would be; this being my first Luftawaffe plane, I didn't have much idea what the 'base' color would be.



A good learning experince, though I had to do all the difficult masking twice thanks to a airbrush malfunction. I tried shading the panel lines, which you can't make out above, but came out fairly well below.



Canopy turned out much better this time. The secret? Mask with carefully cut tape, not masking compound.





I left off the inner bombbay doors, as they seemed pointless to me.

who cares
Jul 25, 2006

Doomsday Machine
I've got half of my lunar module built, and for my first ever model, I think it's going well. I've made a million mistakes but I'm learning a lot and having a great time.

I am painting with acrylic paints, and have painted a bit on top of foil. The paint scratches off of the foil very easily, so I want to seal it somehow. There are some ares of paint that I want matte, some paint that I want shiny, and of course I want the foil to stay shiny. How would I go about this?

Also, do you guys have any general modeling tips you wish you would have known as a beginner? I'm trying to avoid as many stupid mistakes as possible.

Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

who cares posted:

I've got half of my lunar module built, and for my first ever model, I think it's going well. I've made a million mistakes but I'm learning a lot and having a great time.

I am painting with acrylic paints, and have painted a bit on top of foil. The paint scratches off of the foil very easily, so I want to seal it somehow. There are some ares of paint that I want matte, some paint that I want shiny, and of course I want the foil to stay shiny. How would I go about this?


You could seal it with varnish; if you're not using an airbrush, you can get spray cans of gloss or matt varnish and use the appropriate one. Mask off any areas you don't want sprayed with tape, but use proper masking tape so it won't pull any paint off. Masking that foil might be tricky, though. Also, ideally you want a varnish that won't react with the paint, so enamel varnish with acrylic paint, or acrylic varnish with enamel paint (although I have used acrylic/acrylic without it screwing up, so that might not be essential).

There's a build article for the Revell Lunar Lander here but I warn you that it might make you a bit depressed.

Powdered Toast Man
Jan 25, 2005

TOAST-A-RIFIC!!!
Ahhh, weird German planes. Not to mention the stuff they had on the drawing boards that never even got made, good lord. (http://www.luft46.com)

Also, Morgenthau that Bf-109 is the poo poo. Right on!

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants
So for Christmas I'm getting a Zvezda Black Pearl ship. I got to look at the sprues quickly right after it arrived in the mail (all the way from Russia) and I'm super excited about this model, Christmas can't come fast enough. The model is huge, well detailed, and made of a harder plastic than I was expecting which I'm really happy about. My Revell and Lindberg kits are super soft plastic but this new kit is more like the kind of plastic Games Workshop models are made from.

Any one have any experience with other Zvezda kits? I want to get another sailing ship to practice on between now and Christmas, and if all Zvezda models use such nice plastic then I'd be more inclined to get one of them for my next project.

Here's some pics of the parts that I took before the kit was sequestered away:






Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
I've done a lot of Zvezda stuff. The plastic is good quality (I have never had parts break), but the stuff from 1990-1991 is pretty sparsely detailed. Modern stuff is top notch though, as well as pretty reasonably priced. I just got a Zvezda T-34/76 with minesweeper and a StuG III myself.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Powdered Toast Man posted:

Ahhh, weird German planes. Not to mention the stuff they had on the drawing boards that never even got made, good lord. (http://www.luft46.com)

Now that I know a bit about the BV-194 it boggles my mind that such a promising aircraft was not produced, but a rocket fighter build from plywood was.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Oh this makes me wish I could paint. I can build, and detail, but for the life of me I can't paint anything more intricate than my living room. If I could, I'd have an Elefant, a Tiger I, and a BF-109F on my desk.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Blistex posted:

Oh this makes me wish I could paint. I can build, and detail, but for the life of me I can't paint anything more intricate than my living room. If I could, I'd have an Elefant, a Tiger I, and a BF-109F on my desk.

I can't speak for Messerschmidts or Elefants, but Tigers did come in mono-colors. Earlier in Grey, later in Tan.

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Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...
And here's a single coloured BF-109. Not an F, but you can't have everything.

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