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Z-Magic posted: I assume that's his arm.
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"Sometimes two heads are simply more than one" Why yes, this is true. I'd even go so far as to say that two heads are always more than one.  Can somebody who has seen this movie please tell me whether there is something in the movie that makes that line make sense?
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Oct 17, 2011 17:09
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Grendels Dad posted:"Sometimes two heads are simply more than one" Sometimes, instead of two heads being BETTER than one, two heads is just MORE than one.
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Oct 17, 2011 17:12
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Who has them in the headlock? Is it Van Hammer?
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Oct 17, 2011 17:37
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Sir Jebus posted:Sometimes, instead of two heads being BETTER than one, two heads is just MORE than one. But two heads are still more than one even if they're also better than one, WCW breaks my brain.
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Oct 17, 2011 17:40
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The American Dream posted:If you haven't read Jericho's book, he wanted Goldberg to squash the poo poo out of him for the payoff but Goldberg was mad because he was on vacation for the PPV so he refused to do it. Also he didn't "get" what Jericho was doing in the feud. How was Jericho even allowed to go out there any do that stuff if there wasn't going to be a payoff to it? I know, WCW, but still...
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Astro7x posted:How was Jericho even allowed to go out there any do that stuff if there wasn't going to be a payoff to it? I know, WCW, but still... I can't remember exactly how it went down, but I think Jericho was basically given enough permission where he could go out and do it every week, but no one actually sat down with Goldberg to discuss it. I know it seems like very basic stuff, that you should do this and plan it out before starting it, but as you say, WCW.
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Grendels Dad posted:But two heads are still more than one even if they're also better than one, WCW breaks my brain. Yes, but what it's saying is instead of two heads being better than one AND more than one, that sometimes two heads are ONLY more than one. Two heads being more than one is assumed in the phrase "two heads are better than one." Jesus christ I just tried to rationalize the marketing for Ready to Rumble.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:27
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Astro7x posted:How was Jericho even allowed to go out there any do that stuff if there wasn't going to be a payoff to it? I know, WCW, but still... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ1HXCd7NSo I loved that angle. I love that particular bit still has all the markings of the WCW production staff. The door popping open when Jericho pulls it open while he pretends its locked, someone else opening the other door, and at the end the cameras run too long as Wrath runs past a standing Jericho.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:32
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I wonder how WCW's storyline planning compares with WWE today. Was an average Nitro scrapped and rewritten as much as an average Raw today? Edit: Actually I'm going to send this into Meltzer, since he was in contact with lots of people on the inside of WCW at the time.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:42
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triplexpac posted:I wonder how WCW's storyline planning compares with WWE today. Was an average Nitro scrapped and rewritten as much as an average Raw today? Nitro was often being rewritten while the show was on the air.
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Oct 17, 2011 18:46
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I'd just like to say that Ready to Rumble is a fun movie. Oliver Platt is a better Jerry Lawler than Jerry Lawler.
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MrBling posted:I'd just like to say that Ready to Rumble is a fun movie. I WILL RUUUUUUULE YOUUUUU
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Oct 17, 2011 19:02
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MassRayPer posted:Nitro was often being rewritten while the show was on the air. occasionally it was rewritten while on air in response to what WWF was doing on the other side
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Oct 17, 2011 19:52
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MrBling posted:Oliver Platt is a better Jerry Lawler than Jerry Lawler. Agreed 1,000 per cent. "I think you're sexy, Gene, I really do."
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Oct 17, 2011 20:48
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MassRayPer posted:Nitro was often being rewritten while the show was on the air. And to make things better the announcers were never told anything. So you'd get sequences like where they bragged about not having DQ finishes like at the competition, then three matches would end in DQs.
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Oct 17, 2011 22:24
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Grendels Dad posted:But two heads are still more than one even if they're also better than one, WCW breaks my brain. All it's saying is that those two guys are dumb. How loving hard is it to wrap your head around that?
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MassRayPer posted:Nitro was often being rewritten while the show was on the air.
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Maxwell Lord posted:And to make things better the announcers were never told anything. So you'd get sequences like where they bragged about not having DQ finishes like at the competition, then three matches would end in DQs. Other time Tony would know the finish and refuse to tell Brain or whomever else was in the booth so he could look smart.
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Oct 18, 2011 00:22
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The thing about WCW is that at many points they'd only plan out angles for the main-event and then just point at two guys and be like, "Go. You win. You lose. You're face. You're heel. Do it." So much to the point that guys like Jericho got to just get on a mic and make poo poo up and get over. I actually prefer this to today's "SCRIPT loving EVERYTIHNG" notion of booking.
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Oct 18, 2011 00:24
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Moose Bigelow posted:Other time Tony would know the finish and refuse to tell Brain or whomever else was in the booth so he could look smart. Then again, last time Bobby knew a finish he almost blew it (Bash '96) though sometimes I wonder if that was just Heenan not playing along to the angle.
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Oct 18, 2011 00:44
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Lone Rogue posted:Then again, last time Bobby knew a finish he almost blew it (Bash '96) though sometimes I wonder if that was just Heenan not playing along to the angle. Well Heenan was always like this. He would always talking about how cowardly Hogan is.
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Lone Rogue posted:Then again, last time Bobby knew a finish he almost blew it (Bash '96) though sometimes I wonder if that was just Heenan not playing along to the angle. Heenan didn't know the finish to that match.
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Oct 18, 2011 00:55
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LividLiquid posted:The thing about WCW is that at many points they'd only plan out angles for the main-event and then just point at two guys and be like, "Go. You win. You lose. You're face. You're heel. Do it." So much to the point that guys like Jericho got to just get on a mic and make poo poo up and get over. I actually prefer this to today's "SCRIPT loving EVERYTIHNG" notion of booking. In a way, I agree: wrestling promos today almost hinge on ab-libbing and reacting to what the audience reacts too. But, leave it to WCW to screw that up by allowing Scott Steiner to shoot on people and either get suspended or piss off DDP.
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Oct 18, 2011 00:56
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MassRayPer posted:Heenan didn't know the finish to that match. Probably should've been told on that one.
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ChampRamp posted:Probably should've been told on that one. I don't think it mattered either way. It fit Heenan's character and it's not like it took anything away from the turn.
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MassRayPer posted:I don't think it mattered either way. It fit Heenan's character and it's not like it took anything away from the turn. Eh, I mean there were ways to do the heel thing without predicting the turn. It didn't hurt it terribly or anything, I just would've preferred him to say something like "Oh jeez, not this guy again" or kept his mouth shut. Still love the brain regardless.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:14
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Dr. Video Games 0055 posted:In a way, I agree: wrestling promos today almost hinge on ab-libbing and reacting to what the audience reacts too. But, leave it to WCW to screw that up by allowing Scott Steiner to shoot on people and either get suspended or piss off DDP. Reminder that when Steiner got suspended it was with pay because everyone was legit terrified of him. There's a happy medium between scripting the poo poo out of every segment and just giving guys the green light to say whatever the hell they want. Certain guys need to be scripted but I don't see why, if you have an exceptional talent, you'd want to let him go out there and do his thing.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:19
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Maxwell Lord posted:And to make things better the announcers were never told anything. So you'd get sequences like where they bragged about not having DQ finishes like at the competition, then three matches would end in DQs. Didn't they often not show vignettes or whatever to the announcers to (only to the TV audience) so things would happen but the announcers wouldn't know about it? Or was that only for Flair in the desert?
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Suben posted:Didn't they often not show vignettes or whatever to the announcers to (only to the TV audience) so things would happen but the announcers wouldn't know about it? Or was that only for Flair in the desert? For a while they took away the announcers monitors for one reason or another, so not only did they not see some of the backstage segments but during clusterfuck matches they had no idea what the camera was focusing on.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:30
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Skinty McEdger posted:For a while they took away the announcers monitors for one reason or another, so not only did they not see some of the backstage segments but during clusterfuck matches they had no idea what the camera was focusing on. I always thought it must suck to be an announcer at ringside and have to stare into a monitor the whole time... at least it made sense when the Nitro booth was all the way in the back and facing the opposite direction of the ring.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:44
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ChampRamp posted:Eh, I mean there were ways to do the heel thing without predicting the turn. It didn't hurt it terribly or anything, I just would've preferred him to say something like "Oh jeez, not this guy again" or kept his mouth shut. watching at the time it's a total throwaway typical Brain comment and you don't think twice about Heenan saying it. It's only in hindsight that it seems like it matters at all.
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Oct 18, 2011 01:47
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Astro7x posted:How was Jericho even allowed to go out there any do that stuff if there wasn't going to be a payoff to it? I know, WCW, but still... This is actually one case where WCW was unquestionably awesome. Wrestlers got free reign to do whatever the hell they wanted. If Jericho wanted to just wrestle and never talk, that was cool. If he wanted to talk for 5 minutes before every match and call out the WCW champion on every show, that was cool too. It seemed to be completely up to the wrestler to do what he wanted. It wasn't so tightly scripted and planned out. Because of that, it didn't come off like a soap opera the way WWE does. It came off like a real sports show. If you look at old WCW crowds, honest to god, a lot of the fans seem to believe it was real. Maybe they did or maybe the format just made it easier for them to suspend disbelief.
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This cuts both ways, though; the undercard guys were allowed to do whatever they wanted, sure, but it was only because management didn't care at all about them. So a guy like Jericho could go out and do whatever he wanted and find something that connected with the crowd, but it never ended up in a push or anything because management didn't care.
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Oct 18, 2011 03:57
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We are watching Road Wild 98 tonight. http://www.synchtube.com/r/sacharisma
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MassRayPer posted:We are watching Road Wild 98 tonight. http://www.synchtube.com/r/sacharisma From  to  in a bit under three hours.
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Oct 18, 2011 05:18
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Everyone who left is missing out on some classic wrestling bear action.
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I just got up to Hog Wild 96 in my attempt to watch the entire monday night wars from the debut of Nitro. Was there any reason why Nitro was outside at Disney every single week during this time? I'd imagine that the outdoor Nitros was probably why those Glacier promos kept running on forever, because they wanted to do his cool snow entrance.
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Astro7x posted:I just got up to Hog Wild 96 in my attempt to watch the entire monday night wars from the debut of Nitro. There was actually a good reason for that. The majority of Turner's production equipment was being used on the Olympics so they had WCW stay in a central location as much as possible for TV.
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MassRayPer posted:I don't think it mattered either way. It fit Heenan's character and it's not like it took anything away from the turn.
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