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I don't think Schur was really going for "woe is me" or trying to make people feel sorry for the Red Sox. He was just pissed at the front office, fans, and media for overreacting to the end of the season collapse and running off a good GM and manager, which is a valid point that I don't think has been brought up enough in the mainstream media, even if it is kind of obvious.
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I think it -was- a "woe is me" piece, but more in the sense of "gently caress now all these idiots won't shut up about the curse again".
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it was an exsanguination piece with a very strong perspective that no one had written to that point, and it was worth writing (and reading).
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MorningView posted:I don't think Schur was really going for "woe is me" or trying to make people feel sorry for the Red Sox. He was just pissed at the front office, fans, and media for overreacting to the end of the season collapse and running off a good GM and manager, which is a valid point that I don't think has been brought up enough in the mainstream media, even if it is kind of obvious. This, this, and this some more. I thought the piece was awesome. It was about, in three words: Curses don't exist. Schur has never stopped appealing to logical arguments over emotional ones and this piece does exactly that. Grantland has become "must browse" as opposed to "must read" now that it's hitting a flow of content and I thought it was one of the better pieces over the past couple of weeks.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Grantland has become "must browse" as opposed to "must read" now that it's hitting a flow of content and I thought it was one of the better pieces over the past couple of weeks. I'm really looking forward to the Grantland Quarterly thing they're doing with McSweeney's. There are enough good pieces to make a quarterly compilation really nice, especially if the extras they're putting in end up being as nice as they sound. They're putting in "original fiction, new writing from editor-in-chief Bill Simmons, posters and pull-out sections, old-school baseball cards and mini-booklets", which is all cool sounding aside from the Simmons thing.
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Okay, you all need to read Spencer Hall's recent editorial on Tim Tebow likerightnowyouguyscomeonJohnWilkesGoonth posted:I'm really looking forward to the Grantland Quarterly thing they're doing with McSweeney's. There are enough good pieces to make a quarterly compilation really nice, especially if the extras they're putting in end up being as nice as they sound. They're putting in "original fiction, new writing from editor-in-chief Bill Simmons, posters and pull-out sections, old-school baseball cards and mini-booklets", which is all cool sounding aside from the Simmons thing. That's true, this could be a great deal. Certainly a collector's item.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:This, this, and this some more. It reads like the exact opposite to me. No, he's not claiming there's a magic curse, just that the Red Sox have some sort of loserly way about them that their front office mistakes and the overzealous media are going to return them to. So, you know, basically a magic curse.
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Mornacale posted:It reads like the exact opposite to me. No, he's not claiming there's a magic curse, just that the Red Sox have some sort of loserly way about them that their front office mistakes and the overzealous media are going to return them to. So, you know, basically a magic curse. I thought it was clear that he was arguing that the narratives currently going on in the Boston media, that people were lazy or Francona was terrible or whatever, are doing more damage to the team than anything that's actually happened on or off the field. There's not some curse or loserly way about them, just a lot of internal/external fighting and mudslinging that's potentially driving away talented people.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Okay, you all need to read Spencer Hall's recent editorial on Tim Tebow likerightnowyouguyscomeon Is it bad that I really enjoyed this? Because I did 
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FairGame posted:Is it bad that I really enjoyed this? Because I did Not at all. Spencer Hall is awesome.
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Spencer Hall is funny but I got real tired of the word stupid like three paragraphs in Also that dude needs a copy-editor for EDSBS
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Crion posted:Also that dude needs a copy-editor for EDSBS Speaking of needing a copy editor, someone should have pointed this out to Peter King before they ran his latest MMQB: quote:8. I think Mike Florio and I are getting the hang of nailing each other pretty good on Friday night, when we argue about various and sundry football things on Versus on our NFL preview show.
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I'm pretty sure if anyone saw that they would have gone to great lengths to avoid pointing it out. Or at least I would have.
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morestuff posted:Speaking of needing a copy editor, someone should have pointed this out to Peter King before they ran his latest MMQB: I'm fairly certain he said exactly what he meant to say.
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do tweeting bloggers count? if so, check out this awesome reaction to the Jon Lester interview Pete Abe wrote up in the Globe yesterday: CameronFrye posted:Can someone put a muzzle on cancer boy? not shown: even more stupid reaction of twitter telling her to get cancer and die
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Crosspost from the NBA thread: Esquire has an excerpt from Scott Raab's hit piece on Lebron, The Whore of Akron. It's some of the most self-indulgent writing I've ever read.
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Just gonna leave this here. People getting picky about the use of the word "we" in sports is a gigantic pet peeve of mine (yes, my pet peeve is people who complain about it, not people who do it), and the fact that a good writer wasted time and effort to put this piece together makes it even worse.morestuff posted:Crosspost from the NBA thread: This is really, really bad. Why do we give a poo poo about Scott Raab? Self-indulgent doesn't even describe it, sadly. nasboat fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Oct 18, 2011 |
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nasboat posted:Just gonna leave this here. People getting picky about the use of the word "we" in sports is a gigantic pet peeve of mine (yes, my pet peeve is people who complain about it, not people who do it), and the fact that a good writer wasted time and effort to put this piece together makes it even worse.
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People complaining about the use of "we" are on the level of people who jump over themselves to yell when someone says "could care less". I Just Don't Care.
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Crazy Ted posted:gently caress that I've been waiting for someone to write this article since I was about ten years old. It's a little shrill, but I've always liked this take.
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morestuff posted:It's a little shrill, but I've always liked this take. David Mitchell is always a little shrill, though.
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Grantland takes a lot of flak here, and rightly so, but their director's cut series has been pretty good. The latest is Gay Talese's profile on Joe DiMaggio, which is a little long, but a great read.
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morestuff posted:Crosspost from the NBA thread: That was terrible. When did Ignatius from A Confederacy of Dunces start taking pills and writing?
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So I was proud to see a local writer that I know -- Matt Jones -- get to take the "Kentucky will win the national title" piece on Grantland. Then I got to his final point.Matt Jones posted:3. UK Fans Deserve It  Yeah, we are probably more obsessed than anyone, but come on. This is your shot to write for a big-name, widely-read national website and this is the best you come up with?
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More to the point, how does a fanbase that has already enjoyed seven national titles "deserve" another one? That argument would only make sense if Kentucky were lovable losers.
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Hey guys if you normalize everything in 1998 the Yankees wouldn't have been as good as they were that year!!! http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-11rangers-and-98-yankees-equals/
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Has Bryant Gumbel been mentioned as being absolutely terrible lately? Because he still is.
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I don't disagree but he's still insufferable.
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This type of writing usually comes off as petty, but Tom Ziller has a fantastic take-down of Bill Simmons' column on the NBA lockout. I don't really have any huge amount of hatred for Simmons, but he's been so far off-base on this that it's nice to see another writer address it.
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morestuff posted:This type of writing usually comes off as petty, but Tom Ziller has a fantastic take-down of Bill Simmons' column on the NBA lockout. I don't really have any huge amount of hatred for Simmons, but he's been so far off-base on this that it's nice to see another writer address it. I don't really see what makes this so fantastic a piece. A majority of it is him just giving smarmy responses to a Bill Simmons column. Anyone can 'MST3K' another person's writing -- doesn't make it good or worthwhile. Not to say I agree with Simmons or anything (seems pretty well-known that he means well but is off-base with many of his ideas, especially regarding the lockout), but the fervor with which other lesser-known writers trip over each other to get out there and attack his stuff is hilarious.
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nasboat posted:I don't really see what makes this so fantastic a piece. A majority of it is him just giving smarmy responses to a Bill Simmons column. Anyone can 'MST3K' another person's writing -- doesn't make it good or worthwhile.  While some of the responses are certainly smarmy, and while smarm doesn't equal quality, that detracts from the fact that the rest of the piece illustrates good and worthwhile points about Simmons' argumentative inconsistency (incompetent ownership who somehow simultaneously provide a superior intellectual strategic example), his want of perspective in terms of the league's attempts at expanding the product (see: targeting overseas markets, expanding digital availability) and his contradictory claims for necessary action going forward (the NBA needs to expand, but his plan relies on contraction and consolidation). The author has another good point in that this is another case of Simmons' insinuating the value of considering outside perspectives, which is of a piece with his habit of claiming that he can solve franchises' problems, should be considered for a GM position—but, "Hahaha, I was just kidding about that." It's a passive but repeated form of self-promotion. quote:Not to say I agree with Simmons or anything (seems pretty well-known that he means well but is off-base with many of his ideas, especially regarding the lockout), but the fervor with which other lesser-known writers trip over each other to get out there and attack his stuff is hilarious. Anyway, if you want to read a non-smarmy reply to Simmons, there's a good one here. (Hat tip to Vbabby, who rules.)
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Holocausplay posted:Anyway, if you want to read a non-smarmy reply to Simmons, there's a good one here. (Hat tip to Vbabby, who rules.) On the one hand, given the long history of Simmons' writing, I'm more inclined to think that Simmons just used unfortunate phrasing rather than trying to signal a dog whistle about 'dumb black athletes.' On the other hand, he is doing a pretty awkward job of trying to walk back his comments on Twitter: Bill Simmons posted:Could anyone else who twists my "limited intellectual capital" comment around from yesterday's column please note that...I'd have the same concerns for NHL/NFL/MLB players? Athletes are trained/conditioned to play sports, not save their sports economically.
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nasboat posted:Just gonna leave this here. People getting picky about the use of the word "we" in sports is a gigantic pet peeve of mine (yes, my pet peeve is people who complain about it, not people who do it), and the fact that a good writer wasted time and effort to put this piece together makes it even worse. This whole Slate piece from Scocca is riddled with links to this dude flying off the handle about everything, but this message board post against a "nobody" just ends it: Chris Jones posted:You're very brave, daemon, a regular folk hero. Your crusade against my blog should earn you medals, totems erected in your honor. You jumped into the fray like a regular trenchman, your bayonet flashing, your blood pumping.
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Here's a Tub of poo poo written by http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_pujols_world_series_game_two_cardinals_102011 Pujols Displays Zero Leadership After Game 2 Loss quote:ST. LOUIS – The kids could handle the mess. Never mind that Albert Pujols(notes) created it. This is his clubhouse, where his rules apply and where the term leader is thrown around rather liberally considering real leaders, you know, lead. They own their mistakes, like a ninth-inning error in the World Series, and they drat sure don’t let the pups in the clubhouse, the ones in their first postseason, stand and answer questions they’re not equipped to answer.
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The broken bones posted:Here's a Tub of poo poo written by Yeah, we just got a ~leadership~ article in Chicago about Cutler - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1020-pompei-bears-chicago--20111020,0,1295522.column Cutler doesn't care enough! Cutler doesn't want to be there! Wait! Cutler CARES IN THE WRONG WAY
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Holocausplay posted:Oh, man, I completely forgot about this. Have you ever read how this dude deals with critics online and how much time he spends on people who don't think he's awesome?  I had no clue. I've just seen Jones' writing in Esquire and other places and have enjoyed some of his work. However, I'm not that surprised now that I think about it -- I noticed he used to post quite a bit on the sportsjournalists.com forums when I used to go there a few years back.Step away from the computer, Chris!
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