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Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

nerve posted:

"Lulu doesn't appeal to the masses because it is challenging for the listener. Those who don't "get it" won't make it through a whole song, let alone a whole album. If you like experimental, hosed up, trippy, proggy, heavy, monolouge, storytelling, concept, avante garde, structure raping, disturbed, experience music, then Lou Reed & Metallica's Lulu album is for you. If you don't like this side of music and prefer straight-forward songs, you won't find any here. loving masterpiece of an album. Really breaks new ground. Not just an album, it's an EXPERIENCE! Not everyone will like the album, it's not "accessable" to alot of people. It'll be challenging for most listeners with long, experimental songs. The album sounds loving crazy."

:stare:

That would be more believable if the music wasn't just half-assed Metallica riffs that sound like they were written for Death Magnetic and didn't make the cut, then were repeated for a long time because Lou wasn't done rambling. Lou's delivery is just abrasive, it sounds like a grandfather trying to read Slipknot lyrics while trying to keep a straight face. The album doesn't feel like what they're describing, it sounds like a really bad instance of these guys kinda doing their thing and not pulling it off.

On the other hand, William Shatner's album came out last week and he's got the weird, storytelling over music thing going alright. It's almost like a new-age spoken-folk thing backed by covers of all sorts of popular songs, it's harder to get into some of the songs I know, but as long as I'm not giving it 100% attention, it's a decent listen.

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

captainOrbital posted:

Man, I totally have to check out this Lulu thing now.
http://www.loureedmetallica.com/listen-to-lulu.php

Listen to any song, they're all hilariously awful.

ethan
Dec 16, 2004
Aw poo poo, dudes. I guess we don't "get it".



I get it. It's an unfortunately sober metal band playing a normal song while a drunk guy mumbles whatever crap comes to his head over top. It's not hard to "get".

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Peak Performance.

Buglord
You know, maybe if Metallica were drunk and on coke, as opposed to just Lou Reed, it might be a pretty righteous album.

...unfortunately that's not the case.

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

AARP LARPer fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jan 22, 2016

A TURGID FATSO
Jan 27, 2004

Here's to ya, JACKASS

Do Not Resuscitate posted:

I think they really believe they made a real statement with LOL-LOL. Well, they did, but not the kind of statement they thought they were making.

"Lulu" makes "St. Anger" look like "...And Justice For All".

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Normally I hate those Hitler videos, but this one sums up what I've heard of Lulu perfectly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LcJwX9dnE&feature=share

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

Holy poo poo this stuff is literally 10x worse than I expected it to be. God it's embarrassing I am literally cringing. If you really do need to be cooler/cleverer than I am to think this is anything but unlistenable nonsense then honestly I am happy in my ignorance.

DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS
I 100% support the new Banjos in Metal movement. Where do I sign a petition?

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

DEAR RICHARD posted:

I 100% support the new Banjos in Metal movement. Where do I sign a petition?

On Tony's rear end.

Also, there's some jazz metal band in the UK but I forgot the name of it. Anyone know if it?

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

Dead Man Posting posted:

Nerve, I always read your post as if you were Varg and it's great. Even if I am not 100% sure it's him in your avatar

lol thanks I never actually realized it but that sort of does look like Varg. It's actually Aaron Rodgers.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Stoat posted:

Holy poo poo this stuff is literally 10x worse than I expected it to be. God it's embarrassing I am literally cringing. If you really do need to be cooler/cleverer than I am to think this is anything but unlistenable nonsense then honestly I am happy in my ignorance.

I held off on listening to it until tonight because I couldn't give a gently caress about Metallica and I don't know who Lou Reed is, but my god... this is probably literally the worst music I have ever heard. And while yeah I mostly listen to metal I am not particularly picky as long as music is done well. This was just... what kind of collective delusion led them to think this was good?

It's not even trashy pop music good like top 40 stuff, it's just... what the hell?

IRQ fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 22, 2011

brucio
Nov 22, 2004

IRQ posted:

and I don't know who Lou Reed is

I agree with everything else you said but.. wow, really? Never heard of him? I didn't know it was possible to be into current western music and not have a clue who Lou Reed is.

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I'm making a template for the OP to use for newbies that come in here and are like "Alright, so I never listened to any metal before, but you'll never believe what I just saw on YouTube -- Metallica. So what should I listen to next?" type people. Help me out by making suggestions (such as if we should remove the "Regions Associated:" line), filling in the blanks, and offering better music videos because I'm really only an expert on Folk Metal, Power Metal, and arguably Black Metal but that's scratchy at best.

Feel free to replace videos with your own suggestion, but don't turn this into a war. I really suggest you replace videos with things that will be most accessible to the genre (this is highly subjective, but for example, I'm personally not sure that Lumsk is a good "entry" level Folk Metal band), that demonstrate the essence of the genre (i.e. Wolves in the Throne Room, although Black Metal, doesn't really fit as the flagship of Black Metal), and aren't used twice. Try to get the most popular bands, but mix it up as well: have a really "popular" band such as Dimmu Borgir and an unknown one thrown in somewhere.

Feel free to add genres. Oh and again, help me fill in the blanks, I know next to nothing about Thrash and the others that are blank.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:black101: Actually, go here. This link contains the post we're working on. I got tired of trying to find the edit button with a page full of videos, so I made it on a new page. :black101:

Stay Safe fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 22, 2011

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



IRQ posted:

I held off on listening to it until tonight because I couldn't give a gently caress about Metallica and I don't know who Lou Reed is, but my god... this is probably literally the worst music I have ever heard. And while yeah I mostly listen to metal I am not particularly picky as long as music is done well. This was just... what kind of collective delusion led them to think this was good?

It's not even trashy pop music good like top 40 stuff, it's just... what the hell?

I said hey girl, take a walk on the wild side.

That's the only good thing he ever did btw.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

brucio posted:

I agree with everything else you said but.. wow, really? Never heard of him? I didn't know it was possible to be into current western music and not have a clue who Lou Reed is.

Nope, nothing. It's certainly possible I've heard his stuff but just don't know it. A very quick glance at wikipedia didn't really ring any bells though.

Weaponized Cum
Aug 31, 2004


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Don't forget Pirate Metal.

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Weaponized Cum posted:

Don't forget Pirate Metal.

Oh right, thanks, how could I?

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



Don't forget progressive metal! :ohdear:

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Durendal posted:

Don't forget progressive metal! :ohdear:

I was just thinking this. Could you copy and paste a section and change it for Progressive Metal? And add videos? Maybe Opeth in there of course?

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS
Some bands for Doom Metal: Electric Wizard, Sleep, Candlemass, My Dying Bride, Black Sabbath, Pentagram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO7VP34n2Ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kkVlJMcJTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpwkxbteIFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndj1qQ6rb7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69DwrXkjgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1En8nhifu7c

plester1
Jul 9, 2004





Don't forget to link the doom metal and black metal threads.

Maybe even acknowledge the metalcore and djent threads if you're feeling generous.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
For some one just getting into death metal with no real prior background I'd recommend Amon Amarth. They may not be the most innovative or whatever band but they had/have two things that helped ease me into that kind of metal. First their heavy incorporation of melody work gave my ear something to familiar to work with as I developed an appreciation for the styling of the genre. The second is far more subjective but I've found Hegg's vocals to be easily enough understandable. This made a huge difference for me when growls were new and scary and different.

A few of their exemplar songs:
Fate of Norms - The Pursuit of Vikings
With Oden On Our Side - Runes to my Memory
Versus the World - Death in Fire

Though if you were to only listen to one of those I'd pick Runes to my Memory.

edit: on an entirely unrelated note: holy poo poo is Lulu a terrible, terrible, terrible album.

Dameius fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Oct 22, 2011

Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

brucio posted:

I agree with everything else you said but.. wow, really? Never heard of him? I didn't know it was possible to be into current western music and not have a clue who Lou Reed is.

I hadn't, though it feels that your surprise comes from assuming every person in the Western world lives in America as I am getting the view that he's a bit bigger there than anywhere else. I'd heard of the Velvet Underground only through exposure to one particular radio station here mentioning their name in passing, but I don't think I've ever heard of a song of theirs and certainly didn't know names of band members.

Anyway, this album is loving terrible and it's hilarious watching the fan backlash.

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005
Can't leave Iced Earth and Blind Guardian out of power metal, oh no :o I'd also note that Power Metal features mostly clean vocals.

I'm no good at genre typing or whatever, but what about symphonic metal stuff...i.e. nightwish, epica, etc? Is melodeath or gothenburg or whatever the gently caress you call it distinct from plain 'ol death metal?

Also band names/albums/song titles on the youtube links like Dameius did would be awesome.

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS
Depending on how into the subgenres you want to get I can do one about tech death

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Go for it.

Also if you want to add more in the description, that's fine, just make it about a paragraph/four sentences or so, excluding the "traits"

("traits" are things like "clean vocals, fast drums" etc etc)

Stay Safe fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Oct 22, 2011

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Dameius posted:

For some one just getting into death metal with no real prior background I'd recommend Amon Amarth. They may not be the most innovative or whatever band but they had/have two things that helped ease me into that kind of metal. First their heavy incorporation of melody work gave my ear something to familiar to work with as I developed an appreciation for the styling of the genre. The second is far more subjective but I've found Hegg's vocals to be easily enough understandable. This made a huge difference for me when growls were new and scary and different.

A few of their exemplar songs:
Fate of Norms - The Pursuit of Vikings
With Oden On Our Side - Runes to my Memory
Versus the World - Death in Fire

Though if you were to only listen to one of those I'd pick Runes to my Memory.

edit: on an entirely unrelated note: holy poo poo is Lulu a terrible, terrible, terrible album.

Runes to my Memory is my favorite btw

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

plester1 posted:

Don't forget to link the doom metal and black metal threads.

Maybe even acknowledge the metalcore and djent threads if you're feeling generous.

What is "djent" anyway?

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005

IRQ posted:

What is "djent" anyway?

Meshuggah and bands that sound like them, so far as I can tell. (there's a description in the OP of the thread linked above)

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

IRQ posted:

What is "djent" anyway?

I never heard of it, but I added it to the template.

You guys know what'll be cool? If we make 800x50 sized banners for each genre of music. Like for a Black Metal banner, we can make the banner all black and use the writing most black metal bands use for it.

Like take this:



Make it say:

Black Metal

And make it this size:



Then for Power Metal, we can do a collage of some front-men from various bands (Blind Guardian we can use Hansi, Helloween we use Andi) on the same banner with the title "Power Metal".

And so forth.

Stay Safe fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Oct 22, 2011

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



Dead Man Posting posted:

I was just thinking this. Could you copy and paste a section and change it for Progressive Metal? And add videos? Maybe Opeth in there of course?

Here are some I can think off the top of my head. I bet some one else has more to add or better suggestions though.

Symphony X - When all is Lost
Dream Theater - Take the Time
Angra - Running Alone
Pagan's Mind - Resurrection (Back In Time)
Subsignal - Paradigm
Redemption - Black and White World
Seventh Wonder - The Black Parade
Myrath - No Turning Back

Durendal fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Oct 22, 2011

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

IRQ posted:

What is "djent" anyway?

For another death metal recommendation: In Flames, Dark Tranquility. Amon Amarth is part of the Stockholm death metal scene while In Flames and to a lesser but still significant extent Dark Tranquility represent and are the granddads of the Gothenburg scene. Put the two scenes together and you get the Swedish death metal experience. In general these bands share a lot in common with black metal and if you like one genre you'll probably like the other so if you like any of these recommendations then check out the black metal ones.

Also to condense the djent sound profile from the djent thread:

Rhythmic complexity and palm-muted riffing.[7] Eddie Kim of the Massachusetts band Deadfall has described djent as "complex poly-rhythms over solid grooves in conjunction with ethereal and ambient layer elements."[15] Another major contribution to "djent" is computerised sound. Many djent musicians, such as Misha Mansoor, started their careers in home recording using amp modelling and programmed drums.

Djent
Description: A progressive metal spinoff that uses digitally processed, palm-muted, and distorted guitar chords alongside virtuoso soloing and a general computerized sound. Makes frequent use of complex poly-rhythms and instrumental bands are not uncommon.
Regions Associated: Started in Sweden with Meshuggah
Goon Recommendations: Meshuggah, Chimp Spanner, Animals As Leaders, Vildhjarta, Tesseract, Cloudkicker, Periphery and the Djent Megathread
Videos:
Meshuggah - New Millenium Cyanide Christ
Chimp Spanner - Supererogation
Animals As Leaders - CAFO

Dameius fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Oct 22, 2011

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

kaosAG posted:

Can't leave Iced Earth and Blind Guardian out of power metal, oh no :o I'd also note that Power Metal features mostly clean vocals.

I'm no good at genre typing or whatever, but what about symphonic metal stuff...i.e. nightwish, epica, etc? Is melodeath or gothenburg or whatever the gently caress you call it distinct from plain 'ol death metal?

Also band names/albums/song titles on the youtube links like Dameius did would be awesome.

You don't have video embedding enabled?

Here is what I see:


Click for big

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
For the power metal section -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-TZIfpycY8

Rhapsody are adorably ridiculous, but if you're gonna include Blind Guardian, they're definitely worthy of mention.

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005

Dead Man Posting posted:

You don't have video embedding enabled?

Guess I better fix my poo poo then. For some reason I thought that was enabled by default.

I Brake For MILFs
Jan 9, 2007

:syoon:


If a forum filled with people who listen to hosed up, weird, experimental, and off-beat music can't find a way to enjoy Lulu, I don't think anyone other than extreme metallica fanboys will like it.

I love the idea of putting videos/recommendations in the op. Don't forget to add American death metal as well...Death, Cannibal corpse, Morbid angel, and Decide just to name a few.

A TURGID FATSO
Jan 27, 2004

Here's to ya, JACKASS
"Djent" is a fictional sub-genre that somehow co-opted a lot of technical/progressive metal bands, but most of the bands who claim to be "djent" don't know how to write interesting song structures and just weedily-weedily-blooop their way through an album and that's about it.

I don't give a poo poo if it sounds like a guitar note, it is still dumb as hell.

You also forgot a section for Czech Republic experimental goregrind and pornogrind/cybergrind. What is wrong with you, Dead Man Posting?

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

I'm getting sick of people not including Symphonic Epic Female Fronted Alternative Gothic Djent in their genre lists. I mean what is this, 1994? Open up already.

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DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS
You forgot Agalloch.

Also, use a better Opeth song. Something like The Night and the Silent Water or Demon of the Fall or something off of Still Life.

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