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The coming of the FT makes me wonder if Toyota will be using it as their new NASCAR model. Chevy, Ford and Dodge will be going to their RWD "Pony" models eventually so I guess it makes sense for Toyota to do the same, but the car does seem very small and may look odd as a Cup car.
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Cakefool posted:Nah, 2-seater = high risk sportscar, thats pretty much it. People who buy 2 seaters are a high risk as a rule, so the cars become high risk by association. This is also why so many cars have the stupid +2 shelf when they shouldn't have bothered. That definitely doesn't apply everywhere in the world
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Oct 31, 2011 03:37
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Cream_Filling posted:The S2k retailed for almost $10k more new than the FT. I know it was designed 10 years ago and it's a convertible, but somehow I doubt that, even as a coupe, Toyota of all people will have somehow dropped weight on a slightly larger car with a similarly sized engine. I think the chances of the FT weighing significantly less than the S2k are quite slim. This really just makes me want the FRS even more as a summer/track car. The 2.0 GC is big and pretty bland to drive.
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Oct 31, 2011 04:23
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It's also a nice place to put things, the advantage being that you don't have to open the trunk in order to access them, so theoretically you or a passenger could grab them while driving, or it saves you extra time outside your car, like when you're done scraping ice off your windshield in -20 degree weather). Combine that with being able to lower the rear seats to allow a passthrough from the trunk, and it's hard to imagine why you wouldn't want those tiny-rear end little seats unless you're really ultra-concerned about lowering weight at the expense of usability (in which case you should remove it yourself).
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Oct 31, 2011 06:09
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For those of us with a dog or two, the back seats aren't really a negotiable feature no matter how small the car.
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Oct 31, 2011 06:23
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dissss posted:That definitely doesn't apply everywhere in the world I was careful to say "in some markets" for this reason.
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Oct 31, 2011 07:03
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leica posted:The coming of the FT makes me wonder if Toyota will be using it as their new NASCAR model. Chevy, Ford and Dodge will be going to their RWD "Pony" models eventually so I guess it makes sense for Toyota to do the same, but the car does seem very small and may look odd as a Cup car. What, really?!? Does this mean there will be no more commercials with a Camry doing a mad-tyte burnout? I love that overlay picture of the FT and the GC. It seems like the car may be about the size of the Celica, which is pretty much perfect in my eyes.
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Oct 31, 2011 07:12
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Cream_Filling posted:The S2k retailed for almost $10k more new than the FT. I know it was designed 10 years ago and it's a convertible, but somehow I doubt that, even as a coupe, Toyota of all people will have somehow dropped weight on a slightly larger car with a similarly sized engine. I think the chances of the FT weighing significantly less than the S2k are quite slim. If anyone is interested in looking at the rest of the overlays, they can be found in this thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9
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Oct 31, 2011 07:27
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I enjoyed this picture from that thread.
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Oct 31, 2011 08:04
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Ugh, guys, I thought we said no fat chicks?
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Billy Zane posted:If anyone is interested in looking at the rest of the overlays, they can be found in this thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9 Oh god, looking at the comparison between the FRS and the S2000...there is no way a 6'3" dude is going to fit in this is there? 
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Rabble posted:Oh god, looking at the comparison between the FRS and the S2000...there is no way a 6'3" dude is going to fit in this is there? There's a shot of how the seating worked out in the FT-86 II concept and they estimated that the driver was ~6'0" with some room for a helmet. It's too early to say but hopefully at the Tokyo Autoshow some taller European/American journalists can get some seat time and say for sure. Edit: MORE (alleged) FT-86/FR-S/BRZ NEWS!  Important specs from the alleged leaked brochure: HP: 147kw (200ps) / 200hp @7000rpm Torque: 205nm (151 lb/ft) @ 6600rpm Weight:2662 lbs (1210kg) for base manual (~ 2580 lbs dry weight) 2706 lbs for higher trim manual Also shows some comparisons against the Miata, RX8, and CR-Z (for some reason). kimcicle fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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kimcicle posted:There's a shot of how the seating worked out in the FT-86 II concept and they estimated that the driver was ~6'0" with some room for a helmet. It's too early to say but hopefully at the Tokyo Autoshow some taller European/American journalists can get some seat time and say for sure. Not bad--2700 lbs isn't too bad for a modern coupe. Any word on pricing yet?
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Oct 31, 2011 16:50
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It will cost the same as a miata.
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Oct 31, 2011 16:57
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oRenj9 posted:What, really?!? Does this mean there will be no more commercials with a Camry doing a mad-tyte burnout? Yeah, Ford and Dodge already have the Mustang and Challenger in the Nationwide series, Chevy is expected to use the Camaro then it will progress into the Cup series. The plan is to get back to the old days when you could tell the cars apart, it's not perfected yet but it's a step in the right direction for NASCAR. 
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Rabble posted:Oh god, looking at the comparison between the FRS and the S2000...there is no way a 6'3" dude is going to fit in this is there? It's very dependent on the seating position.
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Cakefool posted:I was careful to say "in some markets" for this reason. Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed that an older STI or Evo is the worst possible case for insurance in my part of the world
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dissss posted:Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed that an older STI or Evo is the worst possible case for insurance in my part of the world insurance for my 180sx has gone UP since I turned 25. I guess at the rate that fuckwits are sliding them into trees this is to be expected though.
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Billy Zane posted:
Im surprised with a shorter engine like the boxer and the dimensions so close to the s2000 but a longer wheelbase they still have the engine partly infront of the strut towers. Guess that's a bitch to manage without a transaxle or without ruining passenger space.
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Nov 1, 2011 03:11
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Subaru likes to hang their engines as far forward as possible.
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Billy Zane posted:
Why is the differential hung so low? I'm assuming to make more room in the backseat, but I thought the FT86 was going to be a 2-seater? God I'm so confused by that picture
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bidikyoopi posted:Why is the differential hung so low? I'm assuming to make more room in the backseat, but I thought the FT86 was going to be a 2-seater? God I'm so confused by that picture Lower CG. Its being mounted higher wouldn't really affect a 2+2 setup anyways.
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Colours and instrumentation/console has been leaked. Satin white silver metallic dark grey black red metallic orange blue http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2105 Definitely seems like these leaks are being choreographed by Toyota in some way.
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This is important and I can't tell from the photos. Is the FT-86 the right 6-speed with reverse on the 1-2 side or the wrong 6-speed with reverse on the 5-6 side
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Nodoze posted:This is important and I can't tell from the photos. Is the FT-86 the right 6-speed with reverse on the 1-2 side or the wrong 6-speed with reverse on the 5-6 side I don't think I've ever seen a Japanese car with reverse under the 1. It's a VW thing surely?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Since it appears to have a pull-up collar, I'm assuming it's similar to the STI 6-speed in that the reverse is on the 5-6 leg. One counter example that I know of -- the 2006 Corolla XRS I drove had it left of the 1. Concept has it on the left: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=178&stc=1&d=1255665757 In Modellista leak, I swear they've photoshopped it out: http://jalopnik.com/5853832/toyota-ft+86-this-is-it
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Nodoze posted:This is important and I can't tell from the photos. Is the FT-86 the right 6-speed with reverse on the 1-2 side or the wrong 6-speed with reverse on the 5-6 side http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2394&d=1319903205 from this it looks like it MIGHT be on the 1-2 side? Seat Safety Switch posted:Since it appears to have a pull-up collar, I'm assuming it's similar to the STI 6-speed in that the reverse is on the 5-6 leg. and loving indicator stalks on the wrong side.
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Ah. I'm completely wrong then. My apologies - it does look like it's on the 1-2 leg.
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Laserface posted:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2394&d=1319903205  e: Not really digging that start engine button placement.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Since it appears to have a pull-up collar, I'm assuming it's similar to the STI 6-speed in that the reverse is on the 5-6 leg. It's on the 1-2 side in the Mini S, at least my generation, and the Mazdaspeed 3
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So it looks like there is three trim specs: the "feature" car, the base model, and the "low" model. It's interesting, I can't think of a price point for these yet and I don't think the price sheet has been leaked yet. I figured the base model car would be around $22k but now I'm not so sure when we have things like "low quality" fabric and only two speakers. I was also thinking about how subaru would price this because they already have the WRX at $25k, I don't think this can be more expensive than that. Maybe the low model will be $20, the base model at $22, and the feature car at $24-25? That would put it in line with the genesis coupe and miata (the two other cars I can think of in the model segment). Ehh I'm overthinking it...goddammit toyota tell me how much money I need to give you!
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Muffinpox posted:Im surprised with a shorter engine like the boxer and the dimensions so close to the s2000 but a longer wheelbase they still have the engine partly infront of the strut towers. Guess that's a bitch to manage without a transaxle or without ruining passenger space. I'm sure they could have done it. If the S2000 can get the front of the inline 4 even with the front axle then Toyota should have been able to get that flat foor complete behind the front axle. I mean, how would the drivetrain look if we stuck a flat four on the front of a wider s2000?
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Coredump posted:I'm sure they could have done it. If the S2000 can get the front of the inline 4 even with the front axle then Toyota should have been able to get that flat foor complete behind the front axle. I mean, how would the drivetrain look if we stuck a flat four on the front of a wider s2000? The 86 rides on a longer wheelbase and accomodates a rear seat. If you look at the S2k overlay, you can see how much further forward the 86's cabin is. And how much shorter the front overhang is, though that obviously is not a factor in the motor sitting really far forward. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101&d=1255296097 Shouldn't this car have its own rabid conjecture and discussion thread by now?
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The overlay shows the S2000 as being longer, but the specs suggest otherwise. It'll be nice to get some official info about the car.
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Subaru got jelly of Toyota hogging the limelight and dropped this. (FYI, both companies have agreed 'not to show anything until the Tokyo Motor Show' so the leaks are likely Toyota building hype) Although this is a concept, it still beats the Toyotas rear end by a mile. I think its pretty solid that the two cars are identical except for the front however  
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I work for Toyota & the hype/leaks etc surrounding this car are very odd, normally we can sneak a look at CAD through various networks but within the normal routes there is nothing to suggest this car is past the concept stage, really. I'm prepared to be disappointed when they roll out the fourth iteration of the concept at the Tokyo motor show. I mean we don't even know who made the dies or where the car is being assembled, this poo poo is normally known about 2 years in advance!
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Cakefool posted:I work for Toyota & the hype/leaks etc surrounding this car are very odd, normally we can sneak a look at CAD through various networks but within the normal routes there is nothing to suggest this car is past the concept stage, really. I'm prepared to be disappointed when they roll out the fourth iteration of the concept at the Tokyo motor show. Subaru is building it in their Gunma( ? ) plant.
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Laserface posted: At this point we may need an FT86/FRS/BRZ thread.
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Laserface posted:Subaru got jelly of Toyota hogging the limelight and dropped this. (FYI, both companies have agreed 'not to show anything until the Tokyo Motor Show' so the leaks are likely Toyota building hype) I'm more excited about the scion fr-s half of the deal really, but I'm a big believer in making a 200bhp car into a 300bhp rather than buying a 300bhp. Regardless, they both look great. Exciting times we're living in!
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