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Nov 2, 2011 03:29
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I thought I saw one right by Hartsfield-Jackson last week but didn't have a camera handy - it also could have been an Avanti, they have a similar planform. Neat aircraft, I want to fly in one some day.
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Nov 2, 2011 03:36
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LobsterboyX posted:Starship sighting: A primer for those who don't appreciate the significance of this. Here's the money quote: quote:Raytheon has donated a few of them to museums, but as of last May, only four Starships remain in the hands of private owners.
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Nov 2, 2011 05:12
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iyaayas01 posted:A primer for those who don't appreciate the significance of this. Strange, the local story around the 6 Starships on the ramp at Marana (we autocross around them every month) was that they were parts planes for a Starship owner. If they are actually owned by Raytheon to be chopped up, they sure are being slow about it, as those 6 planes have been there for years without any noticeable change.
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Nov 2, 2011 05:20
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according to my co-worker who takes many more smoke breaks than i do, this thing comes in to burbank airport every tuesday. the sound of this is what got me to look, thank goodness i was able to get the camera out and snap this off before it went behind the buildings. Im right in the flightpath and most of the time its just southwest 737's but on the rare occation, warbirds, strange transports and even oddities like this land. if there are only a hand full of these left, according to wiki, none are registered in ca... what the hell?
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Nov 2, 2011 05:35
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The Locator posted:Strange, the local story around the 6 Starships on the ramp at Marana (we autocross around them every month) was that they were parts planes for a Starship owner. If they are actually owned by Raytheon to be chopped up, they sure are being slow about it, as those 6 planes have been there for years without any noticeable change. Yeah, I did a little bit more googling, I guess there are only four in private hands that are still actively flying...there's apparently another one that is in private hands in flying condition but that rarely/never flies, and another 6-8ish that were purchased by the remaining private owners to be parted out, with the remainder being chopped up by Raytheon.
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Nov 2, 2011 05:35
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Captain Apollo posted:Haven't been able to find a video of that airplane flying on youtube so far. Or.. there's also no surviving video of my paintball gun doing 23bps. Back in 2004. When everyone said it couldn't be done. The plane seems well designed. I like the alerion bellcrank. the pushrods all seem sane. Nothing about it screams "WTF." If you want a real head scratcher, check out the sky pup.
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Nov 2, 2011 05:55
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The Locator posted:If they are actually owned by Raytheon to be chopped up, they sure are being slow about it, as those 6 planes have been there for years without any noticeable change. I'm pretty sure the Starships at Marana are being used for spares, since the aircraft that got scrapped were demolished at Pinal Air Park (about 20 miles north of Marana), and there was nothing left of those but chunks of composites.
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Nov 2, 2011 09:03
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Wikipedia has a pretty great pic of StarShipOne and NC-51 together.
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Nov 2, 2011 21:51
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How does the pilot of the SC White Knight have any forward visibility at all? I can't figure it out.
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Nov 2, 2011 22:56
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LobsterboyX posted:Starship sighting: There's a very good chance I helped refinish this years ago. Starships are the best.
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Nov 2, 2011 23:11
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How does the pilot of the SC White Knight have any forward visibility at all? I can't figure it out. It's much smaller than the pictures make it look. Pilot has great visibility.
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Nov 2, 2011 23:15
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slidebite posted:It's much smaller than the pictures make it look. Pilot has great visibility. High tech poo poo, more high tech poo poo, even more high tech poo poo, the same timer I've been using for like the last 10 years.
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Nov 3, 2011 00:19
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slidebite posted:It's much smaller than the pictures make it look. Pilot has great visibility. is it just me or do the artificial horizon and the real horizon not jive?
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Nov 3, 2011 01:38
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kmcormick9 posted:is it just me or do the artificial horizon and the real horizon not jive? Pretty sure the image outside has been shopped in.
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Nov 3, 2011 03:14
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Cygni posted:Pretty sure the image outside has been shopped in. What would be the point of that?
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Nov 3, 2011 10:02
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ursa_minor posted:What would be the point of that? At a guess, because it is difficult to correctly expose interiors and exteriors without the use of multiple flashes.
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Nov 3, 2011 10:50
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The glass panel is digitally added. The real one looks like a bad inkjet printout. Saw the image somewhere off of wikimedia.
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Nov 3, 2011 21:24
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What the gently caress is going on out the upper-left window? It looks like someone dumped out a giant bucket of airplanes.
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Nov 3, 2011 21:58
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Godholio posted:What the gently caress is going on out the upper-left window? It looks like someone dumped out a giant bucket of airplanes. It's a grave yard.
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Nov 3, 2011 23:18
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VikingSkull posted:It's a grave yard. Scaled operates out of Mojave, here is the google map. All kinds of fun stuff laying around in the desert. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mojav...irport&t=h&z=15 Some weird stuff in there. Right next to the Scaled hangar, there is a bright red Mig-21, and what I believe to be a Saab Lansen. Don't see one of those every day. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 00:29
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Out of interest what are these:
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Nov 4, 2011 00:39
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dissss posted:Out of interest what are these: Douglas C-133 Cargomasters I think. Wiki says: Two C-133As have been in storage at Mojave Air and Space Port, California, since the 1970s 35°03′56″N 118°08′32″W . They are N201AR (ex-AF Ser. No. 56-2001) and N136AR (ex- AF Ser. No.54-0136). They are owned by Cargomaster Corporation, based at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport, Alaska.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:57
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Slo-Tek posted:Douglas C-133 Cargomasters I think. Goddamn, been years since I've even seen one of those mentioned.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:00
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Anybody have any good guess what it is between the red Mig-21 and the Saab Lansen? That fat swept wing looks a little like a Grumman Cougar, but not fat enough, and the wrong tail. Also, a nice yellow AN-2 on that same lot.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:10
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I'm not sure, but here's a side view I managed to pull from the streetview. Crappy quality, but it's better than nothing. 
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Nov 4, 2011 01:21
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Mr. Despair posted:I'm not sure, but here's a side view I managed to pull from the streetview. Crappy quality, but it's better than nothing. Has an Advanced Jet Trainer feel about it, doesn't it. Not a Folland Gnat, or a T-45 Goshawk. But seems like it has to be something close to those. Not an Alphajet either. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 01:33
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LobsterboyX posted:Starship sighting: I was a freshman in high school the first time I saw one of those things fly over. I thought I'd seen a UFO, or maybe a plane flying backwards. Wayyy back in Spring 2001. kmcormick9 posted:is it just me or do the artificial horizon and the real horizon not jive? Hahaha every which way is down when you're flying that thing, apparently! Ridge_Runner_5 fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 01:39
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Slo-Tek posted:Has an Advanced Jet Trainer feel about it, doesn't it. Yeah, there's definetly something familiar about it. While looking for it I did come across this.  The Sukhoi-Gulfstream S-21. Sexy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi-Gulfstream_S-21
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Nov 4, 2011 01:43
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Mr. Despair posted:Yeah, there's definetly something familiar about it. Not impossible that it is a second Saab Lansen, with something weird going on with the wings, or the paint, or the photo. There were, at least at one point, two on that airfield. Which would explain the "this is so goddamn familiar" aspect pretty well. Pretty sure it is. The paint was just throwing me off. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 01:51
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Slo-Tek posted:Not impossible that it is a second Saab Lansen, with something weird going on with the wings, or the paint, or the photo. There were, at least at one point, two on that airfield. It's definitely a Lansen. I was able to make out enough of the registration to Google it and confirm that N4432V is in fact a Lansen, last registered to the Airpower Museum in Fresno, California. MrChips fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 02:25
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Slo-Tek posted:Some weird stuff in there. Right next to the Scaled hangar, there is a bright red Mig-21, and what I believe to be a Saab Lansen. Don't see one of those every day. Jumping on the second Lansen bandwagon, based on these pictures. Also, if you look at the bunch of airliners off in the brush there are four A-3s in there as well as two F-100s and what I think is an A-26. Here is another gallery with the C-133s, A-3s, F-100s, and Lansens.
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Nov 4, 2011 03:55
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Mr. Despair posted:Yeah, there's definetly something familiar about it. While looking for it I did come across this. That is gorgeous, but the Sukhoi in the name makes me think it's a flying coffin...I guess it's safe, as long as it stays away from any airshows.
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Nov 4, 2011 06:47
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Mr. Despair posted:Yeah, there's definetly something familiar about it. While looking for it I did come across this. I just noticed that is a trijet. Very cool. There were actually plans afoot for a 3 engine A-5 Vigilante.  Would have been about as close to a Battlestar Galactica Viper as you could get with early 60's technology. I don't care that the Vig was a terrible aircraft, it was about the zoomiest looking thing that ever took to the skies. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 07:07
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Ridge_Runner_5 posted:That is gorgeous, but the Sukhoi in the name makes me think it's a flying coffin...I guess it's safe, as long as it stays away from any airshows. sukhoi makes pretty good aircraft
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Nov 4, 2011 15:20
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Slo-Tek posted:I just noticed that is a trijet. Very cool.
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Nov 4, 2011 15:47
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Ridge_Runner_5 posted:That is gorgeous, but the Sukhoi in the name makes me think it's a flying coffin...I guess it's safe, as long as it stays away from any airshows. Sukhoi is also marketing a new narrow-body airliner, the Sukhoi SuperJet 100. A partenrship between SNECMA (the French half of CFM) and NPO Saturn are making the engines, and Boeing was brought in for consultation of the design. Really, the only parts of it being bult in Russia are the wings, the fuselage and the engines, practically every main system is made in either the EU or the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#List_of_companies
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Nov 4, 2011 16:06
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Tsuru posted:What was it about the Vigilante that was so terrible? I always thought a supersonic nuclear bomber that could be launched from a carrier was a pretty loving cool thing to have back then. They were an enormous maintainance hog. Simply too goddamn big to fly off a carrier. They broke a lot. North American Aviation had to fly civilian tech reps around behind them to keep them in the air. The linear bomb bay between the engines didn't work reliably as a bomb bay, and would occasionally fail during catapult launches, and deposit the payload (usually aux fuel, because it wasn't any use as a conventional bomber) all over the deck of the carrier. The mission they were designed for was silly and completely duplicated, and they weren't terribly well suited to doing other things. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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Nov 4, 2011 16:11
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And that is why they were refitted for recon until the TARPS pod was made for the F-14, because you want your recon planes to be as fast as possible.
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Nov 4, 2011 16:13
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Tsuru posted:What was it about the Vigilante that was so terrible? I always thought a supersonic nuclear bomber that could be launched from a carrier was a pretty loving cool thing to have back then. once you develop ICBMs it has literally no practical use other than to burn gas and be cool or whatever
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Nov 4, 2011 16:42
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