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Jetpack Postman posted:More patch stuff: Good stuff. Naturally I'm sad about the Iron Flesh/Gold-Hemmed set/Crystal Ring Shield/Hollow Soldier Shield nerfs since I'm using some combination of those on all my characters, but the game is obviously better balanced on the whole now. Definitely looking forward to doing some weapon testing as soon as the patch goes live state-side.
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Here's a site with some .txt files of armor/weapon changes. Not sure what some of the updates mean but regardless: http://mod.gib.me/darksouls/patches/1.03%20to%201.04/
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Vintersorg posted:Maybe they can make this loving Dragonslayer polearm useful instead of a piece of poo poo.
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Having completed Demon's Souls and now nearly Dark Souls I kind of feel compelled to go finish some of From's older and less forgiving titles. After I ran out of ideas for gimmick runs in Demon's Souls shortly after the US release, I played many old From games and even beat a few. Others were just too unforgiving, or in the case of the PS2 titles, PCSX2 had a few glitches that made them impossible. Am I incandescent enough to handle those now? Maybe. Will have to find a modded PS2 for Shadow Tower: Abyss (released only in Japan), King's Field 4, and Eternal Ring. After many deals falling through I'll need to try, once again, to acquire the PSP KF games... Finally, goddamn Sony for having the KF series on PSN in Japan but not in the US.
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Jetpack Postman posted:More patch stuff: A lot of these changes make me very sad. How the gently caress am I supposed to kill the Four Kings without Iron Flesh?!
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Jetpack Postman posted:More patch stuff: They nerfed the Elite Knight set? I thought it was only marginally better than the plain Knight set for higher weight. I wonder how people will get through the Four Kings at low levels now that Iron Flesh, the Crystal Shield, and Pyromancy have all been nerfed.
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YorexTheMad posted:Places where I've had success being summoned/seen other players to summon: Quoting this for posterity.
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Schwartzcough posted:They nerfed the Elite Knight set? I thought it was only marginally better than the plain Knight set for higher weight. Apparently normal Knight set got nerfed some too. So Elite is probably still better, maybe by more now.
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Nov 2, 2011 05:48
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Hey, Shiny Brass and Silver Knight got a lot better. Also looks like zero changes to Steel or Black Iron, unless I'm missing them. I think the idea is generally to improve those rarer sets, but... Elite Knight didn't need nerfing.  Whatever, gently caress yes Shiny Brass 
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Nov 2, 2011 05:51
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Sheep-Goats posted:Quoting this for posterity. I killed Sif, then got summoned for him three times within about 15 minutes by putting my sign right in front of the boss door at level 30.
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I'm worried about what will happen to my +5 hollow shield. Very worried indeed.
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synertia posted:I'm worried about what will happen to my +5 hollow shield. Very worried indeed.
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Apparently there was a general nerfing of the stability in the medium shields, so now if you want to really tank stuff a great shield is a better option.
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So they nerfed Elite Knight set and Hollow Shield. The equipment I've been using and slowly upgrading through two playthroughs. Lame.
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A thing to note about the Knight/Elite Knight sets is that at least according to the guide, they don't have the minor penalty to stamina regen that most medium armors do.
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Graviija posted:So they nerfed Elite Knight set and Hollow Shield. The equipment I've been using and slowly upgrading through two playthroughs. Lame.
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Schwartzcough posted:I wonder how people will get through the Four Kings at low levels now that Iron Flesh, the Crystal Shield, and Pyromancy have all been nerfed. They'll, uh, punch them and dodge their attacks like normal? I only used Combustion as a supplement to my Zweihander for heavy hits that fired off faster, but not only is Combustion not too terribly much weaker from what I've seen, but thanks to the scaling fixes people can probably find a faster firing weapon that still does good enough damage. Seriously, I don't understand why everyone acts like the Four Kings are impossible without Iron Flesh or the Crystal Shield.
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Hoping my +5 Silver Knight Shield remains around 80 stability. I have a feeling they want to keep 80 and up the purview of greatshields, though.sentrygun posted:Seriously, I don't understand why everyone acts like the Four Kings are impossible without Iron Flesh or the Crystal Shield. I did it with Havel's and a big pile of drugs. On NG that's really all you need.
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I pretty much can't disagree with a single thing in this patch. What a good developer.
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So is Crystal Ring Shield worthless now? There's no way I would have beaten Four Kings at 26 and 28 without Iron Flesh.
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sighnoceros posted:Apparently normal Knight set got nerfed some too. So Elite is probably still better, maybe by more now. EDIT: The significant buffs/nerfs to armor by the way: NERFED: Antiquated Skirt, Elite Knight, Leather and Hard Leather (slight defense loss and mass resistance loss), Gold-Hemmed. BUFFED: Crystalline, Brass, and Silver Knight (go figure?), as well as Ornstein's Gauntlets. Most of the armor was not touched. Nakar fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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sentrygun posted:They'll, uh, punch them and dodge their attacks like normal? I only used Combustion as a supplement to my Zweihander for heavy hits that fired off faster, but not only is Combustion not too terribly much weaker from what I've seen, but thanks to the scaling fixes people can probably find a faster firing weapon that still does good enough damage. Well, I said "low level," as in the level 1 runs people have been doing- where you can't swing weapons like Zweihanders. Low level characters are extremely limited in what equipment they can use and how much damage they can take, so killing the kings extremely quickly before they can respawn will be challenging with limited damage output and no good way to tank damage at the same time.
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Samurai Sanders posted:It took you two playthroughs? I had both of those almost all the way upgraded before my first was done. The point is, I like the look of Elite Knight + Hollow Shield, and it was also a solid spread. Now it's less so, and I'll actually have to try other armors and shields. What is this craziness?
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Schwartzcough posted:Well, I said "low level," as in the level 1 runs people have been doing- where you can't swing weapons like Zweihanders. Low level characters are extremely limited in what equipment they can use and how much damage they can take, so killing the kings extremely quickly before they can respawn will be challenging with limited damage output and no good way to tank damage at the same time. I'm sure they'll find a way, and maybe it'll actually be impressive that they're pulling these runs off without using broken and overpowered equipment and spells. Right now every time I hear about people bragging that they beat the game at SL 1 I can pretty much assume they mean "I threw my nuclear bomb shield at every boss until it died faster than they could kill me".
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sentrygun posted:They'll, uh, punch them and dodge their attacks like normal? I only used Combustion as a supplement to my Zweihander for heavy hits that fired off faster, but not only is Combustion not too terribly much weaker from what I've seen, but thanks to the scaling fixes people can probably find a faster firing weapon that still does good enough damage. For real. I beat them on my second attempt two-handing a +5 Black Knight Sword and Havel's set.
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doomfunk posted:Hoping my +5 Silver Knight Shield remains around 80 stability. I think it's 76 or so, which is still really solid. It's my go to shield too, horrible drop rate or not.
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Schwartzcough posted:I killed Sif, then got summoned for him three times within about 15 minutes by putting my sign right in front of the boss door at level 30. Also noted, thanks. I like the patch a lot even though they nerfed Antiquated Skirt hardcore. Also they nuked Hollow Soldier and I really liked that shield, however being able to use any 100% physical shield on a SL1 run at all seems so generous compared to what I put up with in Demon's Souls, so I can't really cry too much. raton fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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sentrygun posted:Seriously, I don't understand why everyone acts like the Four Kings are impossible without Iron Flesh or the Crystal Shield. Man, even using Iron Flesh it took me all 10 Estus that I had. Is there even any way to avoid the purple fireballs and grab attacks?
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76ish is about as good as medium shields get now. You want 80+, you gotta have a greatshield, which is the way it was in Demon's Souls and I think the way it should be. Eagle Shield's even better than before now despite not changing at all! And of course, this makes the Greatshield of Artorias the king of Stability now that you can't just get a shield drop from an Undead Burg enemy that's only 3 Stability worse. Also, there's a silver lining to these nerfs to the Pyromancy magic adjust. Power Within's health drain apparently is related to your hand's Magic Adjust and drained less health over time with a +0 Pyromancy Flame. Now that Pyromancy is even worse, Power Within won't hurt so much! I think the unmodified +0 didn't get any changes though, so it won't be better, but at least the drain will be lessened at all stages. And Power Within buffs your spell damage, so I guess there's that going for it. Not like you won't have a free slot once you get rid of Iron Skin.
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Mons Hubris posted:Man, even using Iron Flesh it took me all 10 Estus that I had. Is there even any way to avoid the purple fireballs and grab attacks? Yes. Assuming you haven't weighed yourself down to past the fat roll, there's an entire button dedicated to avoiding those attacks and many more. The purple AoE effects take a good bit of range, but if you know when it's coming you can get out of the way in time. Did everyone just give up on trying to dodge when they found out blocking is really good most of the time? EDIT: I guess it might be helpful to mention that getting used to rolling while not locked on helps a lot. sentrygun fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Figures that shortly after I use a Titanite Slab to upgrade my Hollow Soldier's Shield to +15, they nerf it  And I'm SL60something, so grinding up strength from ~16 to use greatshields effectively is going to suck It's a testament to this game that I'm still just shrugging and figuring I'll restart with a new build instead of continuing into NG+ That is, if the 360 ever gets the patch.
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Well, I'm glad I made my sl 10 darkwraith before this patch hit!
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sentrygun posted:Yes. Assuming you haven't weighed yourself down to past the fat roll, there's an entire button dedicated to avoiding those attacks and many more. The purple AoE effects take a good bit of range, but if you know when it's coming you can get out of the way in time.
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Also bear in mind heavy armor hasn't really been nerfed. If you wear Stone or Havel's or +5 Giant or +5 Black Iron a lot of those really nasty attacks aren't so bad and won't knock you down. If you flub a roll with good armor it will hurt, but not nearly so bad, and you often stay in your roll instead of getting knocked out of it. So try dodging. As for offense... well, for the most part offense was buffed unless you're using Pyromancy, and I can tell you that I had no trouble beating Four Kings with a melee-only Knight character so you definitely can do enough damage to kill them. With scaling improved, I have to assume that Str/Dex builds will have an easier time of that too.
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sentrygun posted:Yes. Assuming you haven't weighed yourself down to past the fat roll, there's an entire button dedicated to avoiding those attacks and many more. The purple AoE effects take a good bit of range, but if you know when it's coming you can get out of the way in time. Considering I put on full Havel's and grossly exceeded my weight limit because everyone said to tank them, I know I did (for that fight at least).
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sentrygun posted:Yes. Assuming you haven't weighed yourself down to past the fat roll, there's an entire button dedicated to avoiding those attacks and many more. The purple AoE effects take a good bit of range, but if you know when it's coming you can get out of the way in time. In my case - and I say this as someone who's played an ~artful dodger~ several times in Demon's Souls - yes. I had a rough time adjusting to the new endurance->dodge scaling and realised I had an easier time stacking poise and stability and just tanking through attacks. Oh no, it'll be slightly less easy for me to do this! The world is over. Still, once I drop Gwyn on my beefeater I'm making a <25% backstabber and curved swordsman. Really looking forward to Four Kings on that guy. 
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Mons Hubris posted:Considering I put on full Havel's and grossly exceeded my weight limit because everyone said to tank them, I know I did (for that fight at least). It's a strategy, but if you're not powerful enough to just strongarm them like that then it's probably a good idea to go in with the usual <50% armor, if not <25% if you're feeling particularly dodgy and have a very stable shield. doomfunk posted:In my case - and I say this as someone who's played an ~artful dodger~ several times in Demon's Souls - yes. I had a rough time adjusting to the new endurance->dodge scaling and realised I had an easier time stacking poise and stability and just tanking through attacks. Oh no, it'll be slightly less easy for me to do this! The world is over. I had the Golem Armor chest and maybe the Stone helmet or something and then really light junk on my arms and legs, Zweihander and Hollow Soldier Shield with a Pyromancy Hand in backup that I used for some combustions. The only things that hit me were a few stray shots I didn't block right and their purple magics a few times until I got used to them. I died on my first attempt because I went in not knowing what to expect at all, and I still survived until the last one when they landed a grab on me. Then again, I also beat O&S on my first try without knowing what to expect, so maybe I'm the odd one out. v  v
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Any of the dataminers know what this means?code:
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Schwartzcough posted:Well, I said "low level," as in the level 1 runs people have been doing- where you can't swing weapons like Zweihanders. Low level characters are extremely limited in what equipment they can use and how much damage they can take, so killing the kings extremely quickly before they can respawn will be challenging with limited damage output and no good way to tank damage at the same time. Well... not to sound like a dick but I'm sure the designers intent wasn't for players to be able to beat the game at SL 1 without some sick skills. Four Kings is designed to be a near end game fight. I know a lot of people want to do it early so they can grief low level characters in Undead Burg but frankly, the less possible this is the better it is for the community as a whole.
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