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Elysiume posted:It'd be easier to list the things in this game that aren't depressing. I have compiled such a list: Imminent Amazing View...
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So did the patches unofficially fix the glichers or is being in the Blade of the Darkmoon still mean getting one shotted by someone waiting for you in dark Anor?
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Nov 4, 2011 00:14
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Is level 10 too high or low to get summoned for the gargoyles?
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Nov 4, 2011 00:28
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invalid posted:So did the patches unofficially fix the glichers or is being in the Blade of the Darkmoon still mean getting one shotted by someone waiting for you in dark Anor? Well it's save file compatible surely so anyone that was maxing levels to PvP is still probably maxed level. Also the patch isn't even live yet except in Japan. But it should fix future people who glitch.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:30
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While it's nice that I don't have to get the Ghost Blade for the weapons achievement, I just went through a stack of 40 Homeward Bones killing the 2 channelers in the upper part of the Duke's Archive at 320 Item Discovery, and I still don't have their god damned trident. 
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Nov 4, 2011 00:30
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Sacrificial Toast posted:While it's nice that I don't have to get the Ghost Blade for the weapons achievement, I just went through a stack of 40 Homeward Bones killing the 2 channelers in the upper part of the Duke's Archive at 320 Item Discovery, and I still don't have their god damned trident. I know your pain. I went grinding for it last night and it took me around four hours to get it to drop at 410 item discovery. Probability is a serious bitch. Try going down to the bottom front part and killing a third channeller there to give you an extra chance every go.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:32
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Sacrificial Toast posted:While it's nice that I don't have to get the Ghost Blade for the weapons achievement, I just went through a stack of 40 Homeward Bones killing the 2 channelers in the upper part of the Duke's Archive at 320 Item Discovery, and I still don't have their god damned trident. Also I got my trident in like 30 minutes at 350 or so. Whoo
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Nov 4, 2011 00:33
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Elysiume posted:It'd be easier to list the things in this game that aren't depressing. I have compiled such a list: Patches drops humanity. Thus, he is murdered at the end of every playthrough.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:40
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Vargs posted:Patches drops humanity. Thus, he is murdered at the end of every playthrough. 
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Nov 4, 2011 00:42
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McTimmy posted:Ingward actually gets a happy ending! ...huh, I've never actually tried re-visiting him after beating the 4 kings. I ought to go and do tha- Oh. Right. I killed him for his key. 
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Nov 4, 2011 00:43
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oneliquidninja posted:Well it's save file compatible surely so anyone that was maxing levels to PvP is still probably maxed level. I guess I'll be doing my third playthrough with a new character then. I really need those ten stones.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:44
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Pigbuster posted:...huh, I've never actually tried re-visiting him after beating the 4 kings. I ought to go and do tha- 
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Nov 4, 2011 00:45
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Elysiume posted:I totally forgot about him! I'm going to go visit him, and we're going to hang out and be best bros because I didn't murder him in cold blood. I think he actually moves to somewhere in Firelink after you kill 4 Kings. I haven't talked to him myself, though.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:48
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Sacrificial Toast posted:While it's nice that I don't have to get the Ghost Blade for the weapons achievement, I just went through a stack of 40 Homeward Bones killing the 2 channelers in the upper part of the Duke's Archive at 320 Item Discovery, and I still don't have their god damned trident. You might want to wait until the patch drops. Supposedly drop rates have been increased by a fair amount, so you might have better luck then.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:51
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So, I'm curious to see what others think about this. It seems that going Hollow actually seems to be a function of some sort of backwards achievement of your goals. Despair and hopelessness actually seem to fend it off because there is no sense of completion. Solaire is constantly striving for his sun. He finds it, goal achieved, bam, hollow. Siegmeyer finally actually 'saves' you from monsters and repays his debt, dead. The pyromancer goes to the swamp and finds a stronger flame, hollow. Logan finds all the knowledge he could ever want, hollow. So why does Patches come out all right? Well, he's a greedy, murderous little gently caress who's always looking for his next sucker. He never achieves anything real or meaningful to him other than a sale, and he can never make enough sales. Petrus also has some weird poo poo going on with the creepy way he talks about Rhea and ultimately kills her. What I'm getting out of all of this are the people who barely have any humanity left are the ones who seem to be able to hold onto it the most. Which adds a whole new depressing element to the game. Jesus, From.
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Nov 4, 2011 00:54
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DarkArchimedes posted:So, I'm curious to see what others think about this. I think Logan goes insane more than hollows, though.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:00
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Sacrificial Toast posted:I think he actually moves to somewhere in Firelink after you kill 4 Kings. I haven't talked to him myself, though. You have to speak to him to move him to Firelink, but yes. He's just to the right of the stairs you go up to meet Petrus. DarkArchimedes posted:So, I'm curious to see what others think about this. I think you're close, personally. Hollowing seems to be a response to stoked obsession. In the case of the crestfallen guy, he initially gave up because he didn't think he had what it took to go further. When you find him he's not even deep in New Londo at all, like he said "Alright, I'm gonna do this" and then got his rear end killed right away. Siegmeyer doesn't really have what it takes to "save" you - you have to really even the odds for him so when he jumps in he has a chance. On some level, I think he recognizes that, and the part of him that wanted to be the brave, magnanimous hero died a bit. Logan was obsessed with the pursuit of knowledge, and Laurentius was initially totally chill with hanging out right where he was - until he discovered there was a flame that burned hotter than his. In their case, the hollowing is them being consumed by their lust and greed for greater power - you could even say that them both being trapped (in Logan's case, twice) while they were out and about initially should have been a warning to them. Lautrec never hollows because he kills others for their humanity; it can be assumed Patches is the same. Solaire hollows, I think, because the "personal sun" he acquires is no true sun at all, it's just a gross little bug. Him hollowing is him giving up and accepting that the nasty bug he found is 'good enough' for him. Incidentally, I noticed something while stopping by the bonfire by the Sunlight Altar. At the base of every bonfire is a small pile of human bones, including a ribcage, and the grey poo poo is probably bonemeal.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:02
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doomfunk posted:Incidentally, I noticed something while stopping by the bonfire by the Sunlight Altar. At the base of every bonfire is a small pile of human bones, including a ribcage, and the grey poo poo is probably bonemeal. Bone fragment reduced to white ash. Return to last bonfire used for resting. Bonfires are fueled by bones of the Undead. In rare cases, the strong urge of their previous owner's to seek bonfires enchants their bones with a homeward instinct.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:04
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Just saying, I keep finding more and more reasons to side with Kaathe.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:06
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doomfunk posted:Just saying, I keep finding more and more reasons to side with kaathe. Also, I wasn't trying to be a dick, just backing up what you said. It looks kind of rude in retrospect.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:07
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Logan never actually hollows. When you fight him in the archives he still looks human. He probably just went insane(the normal kind) like Seath.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:08
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Cbouncerrun posted:Logan never actually hollows. When you fight him in the archives he still looks human. He probably just went insane(the normal kind) like Seath.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:10
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Just beat 0&S and had a "Very tight spot" message in front of the next NPC I talked to. I've been screwing around since then, but where should I go next?
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Nov 4, 2011 01:12
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Elysiume posted:Actually, there are a few. Uh, Patches is a success story. I guess. All the smiths and merchants seem to make it out of the game unscathed, it seems going crazy/hallow only applies to those who dabble in the supernatural arts (Magic/Pyro/Faith) interpret this as you will. Elysiume posted:I think Logan goes insane more than hollows, though. So insane that he was totally naked except for his Big Hat when you meet him in Upper Archive. Also if you go back to him directly after killing Seath before exiting the zone the text changes and he gets super aggressive.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:13
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Penny_Dreadful posted:All the smiths and merchants seem to make it out of the game unscathed, it seems going crazy/hallow only applies to those who dabble in the supernatural arts (Magic/Pyro/Faith) interpret this as you will. Some of the merchants are super nasty and close to hollowing, from what it looks like. The merchant in Undead Burg is crazy as gently caress if you keep talking to him.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:15
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Penny_Dreadful posted:All the smiths and merchants seem to make it out of the game unscathed, it seems going crazy/hallow only applies to those who dabble in the supernatural arts (Magic/Pyro/Faith) interpret this as you will. Neither Crestfallen Warrior nor Sieg use magic. Also, you fight lots of hollow stuff that are apparently just warriors. I wonder if the Bonfires bearing a resemblance to the Archstones from Demon's Souls is just a nod to the first game, or actually has some more significance. It would go along interestingly with the theory that the shattered Archstone for the Land of Giants actually leads to Lordran, where there seem to be plenty of things larger than humans, and a Tomb of the Giants to boot.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:23
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Penny_Dreadful posted:All the smiths and merchants seem to make it out of the game unscathed, it seems going crazy/hallow only applies to those who dabble in the supernatural arts (Magic/Pyro/Faith) interpret this as you will. Nothing bad happens to Ingward, though, unless you happen to Ingward. e: Also, I think  is a restored image of the Giant's Archstone, right? I hold to the theory that it would have led to Lordran, but I don't know who that would have depicted. Gwyn wears a horned crown, but not like that.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:24
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Elysiume posted:First playthrough I didn't even know Kaathe existed. Now, with everything I've encountered in game, and everything I've read here, I make a beeline for Kaathe. Frampt can go gently caress himself. gently caress the Flame, bring back the Dark. Actually curious since I ran into him right away, but how are people missing Kaathe? I mean, you kill the Four Kings and a giant rear end Serpent flops up, are people ignoring him and just sitting at the bonfire to warp away?
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Nov 4, 2011 01:26
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Doesn't Griggs make it out okay?
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Nov 4, 2011 01:27
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Elysiume posted:Seath is gross in the intro, but he's actually kind of beautiful when you fight him. Except for his weird crystal-rock base. I the reason why he's gross in the intro is because he is covered in his dragon brethren's blood.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:27
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SgtSteel91 posted:I the reason why is because he is covered in his dragon brethren's blood.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:28
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Elysiume posted:Doesn't Griggs make it out okay? No, after Logan moves to the archives he tries to go there too but hollows in Sen's. Rhea also moves to Archives and hollows if you buy everything from her.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:28
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Cbouncerrun posted:No, after Logan moves to the archives he tries to go there too but hollows in Sen's. Rhea also moves to Archives and hollows if you buy everything from her.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:30
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sentrygun posted:Actually curious since I ran into him right away, but how are people missing Kaathe? I mean, you kill the Four Kings and a giant rear end Serpent flops up, are people ignoring him and just sitting at the bonfire to warp away? If you talk to Frampt after getting the Lordvessel at all (the guy who told you to go get it, and so probably the first place you go to see what to do next) he forces you to place it, and Kaathe never appears in the Abyss.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:31
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DarkArchimedes posted:It would go along interestingly with the theory that the shattered Archstone for the Land of Giants actually leads to Lordran, where there seem to be plenty of things larger than humans, and a Tomb of the Giants to boot. You could say that the primordial serpents are emissaries of the old one and the Dark Lord ending leads to the Old One taking over Lordan and the Archstone to the Land of Giants being destroyed
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Nov 4, 2011 01:31
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sentrygun posted:Actually curious since I ran into him right away, but how are people missing Kaathe? I mean, you kill the Four Kings and a giant rear end Serpent flops up, are people ignoring him and just sitting at the bonfire to warp away? If you talk to Frampt and place the Lord Vessal, Kaathe doesn't show up. I thought the Seath design was pretty poor. The concept was cool, but actually fighting him I just wished I'd been fighting an actual dragon. Seath had nothing on Hellkite.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:31
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Elysiume posted:I think he's still there on my one character, at least. Does he only go once you buy all of his stuff? That seems to be the modus operandi. Yeah, the sorceror merchants are awesome because they won't disappear until you buy everything from them.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:32
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I always thought the Crestfallen Warrior attacks you because you ruined his haven in Firelink Shrine by summoning Frampt. He starts bitching and moaning about how Frampt snores and stinks up the place. Then he mentions how he just started to like it there and he might have to do something about it. And I don't remember him looking Hollow when he attacks you.
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Nov 4, 2011 01:33
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^^: Nah, he's hollow. You can also tell because he doesn't drop any humanity!Cbouncerrun posted:Yeah, the sorceror merchants are awesome because they won't disappear until you buy everything from them.  On my mage I wasn't really paying attention to my catalyst, and realized the Oolacile one was better. It increased my damage dealt by 30% or something.
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Sacrificial Toast posted:If you talk to Frampt after getting the Lordvessel at all... you know, the guy who told you to go get it, he forces you to place it, and Kaathe never appears in the Abyss. Ah, that makes sense. I didn't even remember that I was supposed to go back to Frampt, largely because I had backpedaled after beating O&S thinking that there'd be more enemies if I pressed on and I forgot to come back until I realized I needed the Lordvessel to go fight the Four Kings (I guess you can kill the guy too but I wasn't thinking about that), so I guess I went straight from getting the Lordvessel to punching ghost men with giant swords.
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