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Ahz
Jun 17, 2001
PUT MY CART BACK? I'M BETTER THAN THAT AND YOU! WHERE IS MY BUTLER?!
I have some family in Hong Kong who I want to build a better wireless solution for, the trick is that like almost all condos in HK, ALL walls are 6" or thicker concrete. Right now they have one router in the bedroom at one end and one router in the livingroom, but it's a lovely situation where wifi devices seem to pick the router with the worst signal. Both of these routers are cheap POS's as well.

Any suggestions on a setup that will bounce around lots of walls happily? Antenna changes?

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aperion
May 15, 2007

i want to believe
Grimey Drawer

Devian666 posted:

It really depends on your requirements. If you don't feel any need to change there's no reason to change. Most of us have changed routers and/or modems due to having issues with our existing hardware.

However, if you want wireless coverage and gigabit network speeds between devices on your network then adding a router may be interest (but you would still keep the cable modem as you are not have issues with it).

Actually, we replaced the router about three months ago with a higher-end device recommended in the OP of this thread, and it solved most all of our home network problems, which is why I started looking at the modem itself to see if there was any potential in replacing it, given it's my single oldest piece of hardware now.

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Unless your isp has upgraded to DOCSIS 3.0 -AND- you upgrade to a plan that needs it, as long as that modem is fine, theres no reason to replace it. what isp do you have?

I'm subscribed to Cox, and am currently paying for their top tier service that includes DOCSIS 3.0. Home internet usage is pretty high with two gaming computers, one office computer, an XBox on wireless, iPad, and 2-3 laptops running at any given time with heavy use of online gaming and video streaming.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Ahz posted:

I have some family in Hong Kong who I want to build a better wireless solution for, the trick is that like almost all condos in HK, ALL walls are 6" or thicker concrete. Right now they have one router in the bedroom at one end and one router in the livingroom, but it's a lovely situation where wifi devices seem to pick the router with the worst signal. Both of these routers are cheap POS's as well.

Any suggestions on a setup that will bounce around lots of walls happily? Antenna changes?

is there a HK equivalent to the powerline networking stuff that works in the US? You could tie an AP at the other end...spend a little extra, but stable connection

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

aperion posted:

Actually, we replaced the router about three months ago with a higher-end device recommended in the OP of this thread, and it solved most all of our home network problems, which is why I started looking at the modem itself to see if there was any potential in replacing it, given it's my single oldest piece of hardware now.


I'm subscribed to Cox, and am currently paying for their top tier service that includes DOCSIS 3.0. Home internet usage is pretty high with two gaming computers, one office computer, an XBox on wireless, iPad, and 2-3 laptops running at any given time with heavy use of online gaming and video streaming.

You do have rather heavy usage and with your subscription you should get a significant increase in bandwidth by upgrading your cable modem. Going from DOCSIS 2.0 to 3.0 is potentially a large leap in performance.

aperion
May 15, 2007

i want to believe
Grimey Drawer

Devian666 posted:

You do have rather heavy usage and with your subscription you should get a significant increase in bandwidth by upgrading your cable modem. Going from DOCSIS 2.0 to 3.0 is potentially a large leap in performance.

Fair enough, I'll make it happen. Thanks for the help.

Ahz
Jun 17, 2001
PUT MY CART BACK? I'M BETTER THAN THAT AND YOU! WHERE IS MY BUTLER?!

notwithoutmyanus posted:

is there a HK equivalent to the powerline networking stuff that works in the US? You could tie an AP at the other end...spend a little extra, but stable connection

Unfortunately the real issue is that I would prefer to just have one wireless AP in the condo that works throughout. Not to mention that it doesn't work well at all in the middle two bedrooms between the master suite and living room.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Ahz posted:

Unfortunately the real issue is that I would prefer to just have one wireless AP in the condo that works throughout. Not to mention that it doesn't work well at all in the middle two bedrooms between the master suite and living room.

If the building is anything like what I've seen in HK it's likely that the thick concrete walls have a lot of steel reinforcing (typical for buildings that high). You will struggle to get a good wireless signal.

You could try a better router, changing the antenna, or using directional antenna but I can't say if you'll get any improvement.

pctD
Aug 25, 2009



Pillbug
Recently I've been having all kinds of disconnects and network stutters with my current setup. Linksys E4200 on stock firmware (although recently went to DD-WRT), comcast cable 20mb (although I regularly get 28-30mb).

I've had this setup for the past 8 months and it was totally fine. Now I get disconnected about 3 times a day, sometimes more. I returned the router for a new one about 2 weeks ago to no avail. After speaking with Comcast tech support they said they have not seen any issues with connectivity to my home and would not replace the modem. I tried flashing DD-WRT a couple nights ago, and that didn't solve anything either. I borrowed a Juniper Netscreen 5GT from work that we were not using and was able to get a stable connection for about a week, so I'm inclined to believe it is not the modem although I wouldn't be against replacing it.

Any suggestions on hardware to purchase or things to try? I'd like to keep the 802.11n and gigabit ports of the e4200.

EDIT: Just flashed to the latest Tomato build, hopefully I get some semblance of stability.

pctD fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Nov 15, 2011

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
Check the exterior to see how hot the router is running. Linksys routers tend to have poor cooling which can cause issues. You may want to consider physically modifying the router to add a fan.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
I have a Netgear WNR2000 v3 modem. It has been working totally fine for the last 6 months or so until about a week ago. Now the internet connection stops working all the time! The wireless signal is strong though, and it works fine if I plug directly into the router.

I have cable internet, so there is no username/password required or log-in that could time out.

I googled around and this seems like a pretty common problem, but I haven't found any effective solutions. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

Thoom
Jan 12, 2004

LUIGI SMASH!
I have a gigabit fiber connection and the Cisco TES301-NA router that Google provided seems to be woefully inadequate for its job. Every day or so it goes completely catatonic and needs to be rebooted. This is probably not a hardware defect, because I exchanged it and the new one does the exact same thing. So I'm in the market for a new wired router. My requirements:

  • Gigabit WAN throughput.
  • Doesn't poo poo the bed on a regular basis
  • Port forwarding
  • Straightforward administration (preferably web-based)
  • Edit: NAT, though I figured this would be a given

Nice-to-haves:

  • VPN support
  • Multi-WAN. I've got an old DSL connection I'd like to use as a backup that also has a block of 12 static IPs that are useful because they're associated with Stanford University and give access to Stanford's various scientific journal subscriptions. I have spare server hardware that could run a VPN on this connection, so it's not super critical.

My budget target is $100-600. Any suggestions?

I looked at pfsense, but it claims I'd need incredibly expensive/powerful hardware (3.0GHz+ server class CPU) to do gigabit throughput, which seems a little odd since my current router is tiny, probably runs some embedded ARM or PPC CPU, and does a gigabit just fine other than the periodic crashes. Is pfsense just poorly optimized or feature bloated or something?

Thoom fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 15, 2011

Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
Most Loved

Thoom posted:

I have a gigabit fiber connection and the Cisco TES301-NA router that Google provided seems to be woefully inadequate for its job. Every day or so it goes completely catatonic and needs to be rebooted. This is probably not a hardware defect, because I exchanged it and the new one does the exact same thing. So I'm in the market for a new wired router. My requirements:

  • Gigabit WAN throughput.
  • Doesn't poo poo the bed on a regular basis
  • Port forwarding
  • Straightforward administration (preferably web-based)

Nice-to-haves:

  • VPN support
  • Multi-WAN. I've got an old DSL connection I'd like to use as a backup that also has a block of 12 static IPs that are useful because they're associated with Stanford University and give access to Stanford's various scientific journal subscriptions. I have spare server hardware that could run a VPN on this connection, so it's not super critical.

My budget target is $100-600. Any suggestions?

I looked at pfsense, but it claims I'd need incredibly expensive/powerful hardware (3.0GHz+ server class CPU) to do gigabit throughput, which seems a little odd since my current router is tiny, probably runs some embedded ARM or PPC CPU, and does a gigabit just fine other than the periodic crashes. Is pfsense just poorly optimized or feature bloated or something?

Probably a Mikrotik or the like would be good for this.
A goon is selling a higher end one here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3446462
They sell other versions in various price ranges.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.

Triikan posted:

Probably a Mikrotik or the like would be good for this.
A goon is selling a higher end one here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3446462
They sell other versions in various price ranges.

I don't know a lot about Mikrotik but that router says it can do 199k pps with conntrack off, which I assume needs to be turned on to do NAT. So, do you need NAT?

Thoom
Jan 12, 2004

LUIGI SMASH!

Ninja Rope posted:

I don't know a lot about Mikrotik but that router says it can do 199k pps with conntrack off, which I assume needs to be turned on to do NAT. So, do you need NAT?

I definitely need NAT.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Thoom posted:

I looked at pfsense, but it claims I'd need incredibly expensive/powerful hardware (3.0GHz+ server class CPU) to do gigabit throughput, which seems a little odd since my current router is tiny, probably runs some embedded ARM or PPC CPU, and does a gigabit just fine other than the periodic crashes. Is pfsense just poorly optimized or feature bloated or something?

The embedded cpus in routers are all system on a chip designs which are specifically customised for the purpose. A general cpu has to do a lot more processing to do the same job.

If I recall correctly pfsense caps out at around 3 gigabit no matter what the hardware is, and then they recommend specialised commercial routers over that speed.

On a side note that highest performing domestic router listed in the op can achieve about 800 mbit/s WAN to LAN throughput which is below what you have requested.

Thoom
Jan 12, 2004

LUIGI SMASH!

Devian666 posted:

On a side note that highest performing domestic router listed in the op can achieve about 800 mbit/s WAN to LAN throughput which is below what you have requested.

Yeah, this is the first time I've ever had to consider router throughput performance, and it feels a little weird. All my previous uplinks could be handled by even a lovely bargain bin router without breaking a sweat (other than the constant crashing, of course).

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Devian666 posted:

On a side note that highest performing domestic router listed in the op can achieve about 800 mbit/s WAN to LAN throughput which is below what you have requested.

Just a note about the smallnetbuilder.com figures: if you read their testing methods for LAN-WAN throughput they put the LAN system in the DMZ which means that their throughput tests don't reflect real world usage in a typical setup (no NAT, no firewall, etc...). In fact, I'd wager that some of those home gigabit routers that they have tested to "route" at near wire speed are just doing switching in that configuration.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

The_Franz posted:

Just a note about the smallnetbuilder.com figures: if you read their testing methods for LAN-WAN throughput they put the LAN system in the DMZ which means that their throughput tests don't reflect real world usage in a typical setup (no NAT, no firewall, etc...). In fact, I'd wager that some of those home gigabit routers that they have tested to "route" at near wire speed are just doing switching in that configuration.

That's pretty crap if that's the case. I'll have to look into this and add a note in the op.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

There's a Motorola SB6120 DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem over in SA-Mart for a pretty decent price.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Triikan posted:

Probably a Mikrotik or the like would be good for this.
A goon is selling a higher end one here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3446462
They sell other versions in various price ranges.

The newer RB1100AH should do the trick as well. I think that within a month or two Mikrotik is also launching the RB1100AHx2 which is basically the RB1100AH with a dual-core CPU.

Since VPN was mentioned it also worth noting the the RB1000 and RB1100AH have hardware accelerated encryption. Some of Mikrotik's benchmarks showed that these things can still manage 500mbps+ when running encrypted VPN connections.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.

The_Franz posted:

The newer RB1100AH should do the trick as well. I think that within a month or two Mikrotik is also launching the RB1100AHx2 which is basically the RB1100AH with a dual-core CPU.

Since VPN was mentioned it also worth noting the the RB1000 and RB1100AH have hardware accelerated encryption. Some of Mikrotik's benchmarks showed that these things can still manage 500mbps+ when running encrypted VPN connections.

That does appear to be fast enough, but I doubt it does NAT in hardware so it's hard to estimate exactly what performance impact it would have. Something from Cisco or Juniper would run $750-$1000 if you bought it new.

Not really related, but I wonder how that differs from a standard PC in this instance. If NAT isn't done in hardware, you're limited by the CPU speed for NAT performance. In that case why not use a standard PC (form factor? power usage? price?)?

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004

Thoom posted:

  • Gigabit WAN throughput.
  • Doesn't poo poo the bed on a regular basis
  • Port forwarding
  • Edit: NAT, though I figured this would be a given
  • VPN support
  • Multi-WAN.

This should do the trick: http://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/rb750gl.html

Notice I removed "Easy web-based management". In the 5.7 firmware their web management is vastly improved. Winbox is still super nice to work with and sometimes you have to dig in with a terminal session to program some of the more esoteric settings. High-level stuff - setting up NAT, multiple IP's, etc. - is all done through graphical interfaces.

This isn't a Linksys with a cuddly set of dropdown boxes. It's a business grade router that kicks a lot of rear end in its teeny tiny package. Their online documentation is pretty decent and there's a thread here in SH/SC that you can check out to see what you're getting into.

I think you'll be happy with this unit and it's hard to beat the price.

Update: Just saw the recommendation up above for the RB1100AH. If you run a lot of data over your VPN's, then having the extra horsepower is going to be helpful. It should also have better raw throughput than the RB750GL, but it's going to be much more expensive (and noisy).

Thoom
Jan 12, 2004

LUIGI SMASH!

CuddleChunks posted:

Update: Just saw the recommendation up above for the RB1100AH. If you run a lot of data over your VPN's, then having the extra horsepower is going to be helpful. It should also have better raw throughput than the RB750GL, but it's going to be much more expensive (and noisy).

I think I'm going to try to pick up the RB1000 the gentleman is selling in SAMart. If that fails, the 750GL looks like a nice cheap interim solution. Noise isn't a concern since the ONT, router, and switch live in the garage.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

CuddleChunks posted:

This should do the trick: http://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/rb750gl.html

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/hardware-analysis/17-mikrotik-routerboard-750-gl-review.html?start=2

The 750GL is a great unit, but there is no way you are going to actually do routing/firewall/NAT on a full gigabit connection with it.

Ninja Rope posted:

That does appear to be fast enough, but I doubt it does NAT in hardware so it's hard to estimate exactly what performance impact it would have. Something from Cisco or Juniper would run $750-$1000 if you bought it new.

Not really related, but I wonder how that differs from a standard PC in this instance. If NAT isn't done in hardware, you're limited by the CPU speed for NAT performance. In that case why not use a standard PC (form factor? power usage? price?)?

If you look at bottom of the spec page there is a row in the table with firewall: on and conntrack: on (conntrack is connection tracking for NAT). It can do near gigbit speeds with 512 byte frames and 2.5 gigabits with 1518 byte frames with routing, NAT and firewall capabilities turned on.

The_Franz fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Nov 16, 2011

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004

The_Franz posted:

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/hardware-analysis/17-mikrotik-routerboard-750-gl-review.html?start=2

The 750GL is a great unit, but there is no way you are going to actually do routing/firewall/NAT on a full gigabit connection with it.
Cool, thanks for finding that review. I guess the RB1000 or RB1100AH units will be needed to push the megabits through his fast connection.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.

The_Franz posted:

If you look at bottom of the spec page there is a row in the table with firewall: on and conntrack: on (conntrack is connection tracking for NAT). It can do near gigbit speeds with 512 byte frames and 2.5 gigabits with 1518 byte frames with routing, NAT and firewall capabilities turned on.

conntrack isn't necessarily NAT, it's just the module that allows for stateful logic (by tracking connections!). NAT requires conntrack but is another layer. conntrack does most of the work, but I don't know how much NAT costs on top of that. Maybe nothing!

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist

The_Franz posted:

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/hardware-analysis/17-mikrotik-routerboard-750-gl-review.html?start=2

The 750GL is a great unit, but there is no way you are going to actually do routing/firewall/NAT on a full gigabit connection with it.

It probably hurts that the CPU power has been reduced, the 750G was 680MHz, the GL is 400. I don't think the price has gone down either.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

NOTinuyasha posted:

It probably hurts that the CPU power has been reduced, the 750G was 680MHz, the GL is 400. I don't think the price has gone down either.

They weakened the CPU but doubled the RAM, probably to further differentiate it from the 450G. Still, for most cable and DSL connections it has more than enough power for normal use.

The_Franz fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Nov 16, 2011

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist

The_Franz posted:

They weakened the CPU but doubled the RAM, probably to further differentiate it from the 450G. Still, for most cable and DSL connections it has more than enough power for normal use.

CPU power can be a bottleneck even on residential connections if you use it as a VPN server/client or something. I don't know how RAM effects it, but 32MB wasn't a problem on the old model, at least with the current firmware.

Wheelchair Stunts
Dec 17, 2005
How expensive are the hardware encryption solutions? It'd be nice to be able to buy a unit with that built-in to offload some of the VPN lifting.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

NOTinuyasha posted:

CPU power can be a bottleneck even on residential connections if you use it as a VPN server/client or something. I don't know how RAM effects it, but 32MB wasn't a problem on the old model, at least with the current firmware.

I think the extra RAM was put there to use with metarouter.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Was hoping you guys could help.

I've got a buddy who's running a small startup business, and he's got a little self-hosted web server. It's behind a D-Link WBR-2310 @ Firmware 1.04 (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=470) which is currently in EOL. I've went in there and set his virtual servers, port forwards, etc. But what happens is the thing will just flip out and not accept connections for 2-3 seconds at a time. I think it's resetting itself spontaneously. I think this because I can't get the drat thing to be 'on time'; every night the date/time reverts to April 1, 2002, 00:00:00.

Basically my question is, is this thing even worth salvaging/working with? Googling around shows me that lots of people are complaining about it, and the thing is EOL already. Otherwise I'll check out the first page and start shopping around.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.

Scaramouche posted:

Was hoping you guys could help.

I've got a buddy who's running a small startup business, and he's got a little self-hosted web server. It's behind a D-Link WBR-2310 @ Firmware 1.04 (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=470) which is currently in EOL. I've went in there and set his virtual servers, port forwards, etc. But what happens is the thing will just flip out and not accept connections for 2-3 seconds at a time. I think it's resetting itself spontaneously. I think this because I can't get the drat thing to be 'on time'; every night the date/time reverts to April 1, 2002, 00:00:00.

Basically my question is, is this thing even worth salvaging/working with? Googling around shows me that lots of people are complaining about it, and the thing is EOL already. Otherwise I'll check out the first page and start shopping around.

No. It's a waste of time. Get something new and more reliable if he's trying to use it for business.

Bunk Rogers
Mar 14, 2002

I need to be able to set time limits, on internet connectivity, preferably per MAC on my home network. Is this even possible and if so, how?

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
I believe the following hardocp thread describes the D-Link WBR-2310 appropriately.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1167857

For business use spend money on a decent router as it's both a tax write off and you will lose money using lovely equipment.

Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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My cable company got rid of my speed class a while back, and has now decided that they're bumping legacy customers either up or down to the new tiers. I enjoyed my current speed, so after half an hour on the phone talking to everybody that would listen, I got them to bump my tier up without charging me the current rate, so I now have an additional 3mbps downlink that I don't really need. I'd like to set up a public wifi for my immediate surrounding neighbors, basically limited to that 3mbps (though I probably will QOS it instead of hard limits).

My only requirement is that I want to set up a start page that every new client is redirected to, like they do in most restaurants. I don't need logins or anything, but I do want to be able to create a page that has information (like, "Hey, slackers, this is free wifi provided by Joe Blow, don't mess things up!"), and anything else I want to throw up. Can DD-WRT do this? I'd prefer to have one dedicated router just for this, serving wifi and the webpage with no additional hardware.

I'd prefer this setup vs talking to my neighbors because a few houses around me are populated by students that come and go frequently, so new arrivals are very common.

EDIT: I'd also like to be able to do this on a WRT-54GL, because its not being used, and I have huge rear end antennas for it.

Triikan fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 16, 2011

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Thanks for the infos guys, I figured as much but was hoping to not have to give him bad news. On the plus side he might be getting an angel investor involved who already has a dedicated coloc so it might be moot anyway.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Triikan posted:

My cable company got rid of my speed class a while back, and has now decided that they're bumping legacy customers either up or down to the new tiers. I enjoyed my current speed, so after half an hour on the phone talking to everybody that would listen, I got them to bump my tier up without charging me the current rate, so I now have an additional 3mbps downlink that I don't really need. I'd like to set up a public wifi for my immediate surrounding neighbors, basically limited to that 3mbps (though I probably will QOS it instead of hard limits).

My only requirement is that I want to set up a start page that every new client is redirected to, like they do in most restaurants. I don't need logins or anything, but I do want to be able to create a page that has information (like, "Hey, slackers, this is free wifi provided by Joe Blow, don't mess things up!"), and anything else I want to throw up. Can DD-WRT do this? I'd prefer to have one dedicated router just for this, serving wifi and the webpage with no additional hardware.

I'd prefer this setup vs talking to my neighbors because a few houses around me are populated by students that come and go frequently, so new arrivals are very common.

EDIT: I'd also like to be able to do this on a WRT-54GL, because its not being used, and I have huge rear end antennas for it.

You should also put up some rules including stating that it is not to be used for illegal purposes, or it'll be cut off. There's a few court cases of people being prosecuted from unintentional public wifi being used for child porn. You should also put advertising on the splash page and something like another splash page every 30 minutes.

I know the above can be done but this is outside of my knowledge.

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004

Triikan posted:

EDIT: I'd also like to be able to do this on a WRT-54GL, because its not being used, and I have huge rear end antennas for it.
Read up on Captive Portals and Hotspots using DD-WRT. Chilispot I think is the name of one of the modules you can load in to do this. It's a pretty common thing to do, you shouldn't have any problems using the info at the DD-WRT wiki.

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Chortles
Dec 29, 2008
As my D-Link DIR-601's apparently died, I'm looking at the EDIMAX BR-6228Ns. Yea or nay at ~$20?

Also, by "late model Linksys WRT54G devices with gimped memory," did the OP mean the WRT54GL specifically?

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