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Ah, dang guys  . My fear of discussing this is rooted in the backlash that LOST and Battlestar Galactica both received for delving into the metaphysical. As someone currently studying Comparative Religion at University, I ate that stuff up.In Richard Linkletter's film A Waking Life he appears on camera in the final act to deliver a monolouge about a dream he had after reading Philip K Dick's Speech that I linked above (you can watch it here, it starts slightly before the cut-off on that youtube). The whole scene is great, but something he says in particular should resonate with folks who remember the beginning of The End: Richard Linkletter's hosed Up Dream posted:Let me explain to you the nature of the universe. Now, Philip K. Dick is right about time, but he's wrong that it's 50 AD. Actually, there's only one instant, and it's right now, and it's eternity and it's an instant in which God is posing a question... basically, 'Do you want to, you know be one with eternity? Do you want to be in heaven?' And we're all saying, 'No, thank you. Not just yet.' And so time is actually just this constant saying no to God's invitation...this is the narrative of everyone's life.... and that's the story of moving from the "no" to the "yes." All of life is, "No, thank you. No, thank you." Then ultimately it's, "Yes, I give in. Yes, I accept. Yes, I embrace." I mean, that's the journey. Does that sound familiar? Let's revisit the first real scene of dialogue of the final episode of LOST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscOXPb6QvU Jesus, I still get chills when rewatching almost any scene from this show. A lot of things happen here right off the bat. Lindelof and Cuse do a neat bit of writerly foreshadowing with the opening line, "Who died?" (see also: Jack holding up an x-ray to superimpose a human skull over his face in the opening montage. Then of course we get Kate's awesome smirk at the silliness of a man literally named Christian Shepard. Now, full disclosure, I'm a stanch goony goon goon atheist. I grew up in a Christian household with a pastor for a father, and fell away from the faith in my teenage years. The straws the broke the back of my faith were items such as inconsistencies in the Bible, the superiority of scientific theory over Intelligent Design, and the convincing writings of Douglas Adams. However, the seeds of my discontent with religion were planted mostly in emotive areas. I was born with a cleft palate and suffered a lot of hardships in my early life. It was simply easier for me to believe that the cruelties in my life were the results of a genetic accident, an output of a random chaotic universe. To accept Jesus and God would mean to accept that my disfigurement was apart of his grand master plan, which seemed evil and nonsensical to me. I mention this because I believe it has a lot to do with why I love LOST so much. I'm drawn to the character of Jack Shepard, so determined to assert his worldview that No, John, we are not special, we do not have a destiny. I could post a hundred youtubes showing the transformation of Jack and the hundreds of arguments he had with Locke over matters of faith, but this one minute prophecy the reverend Ben Linus sums it up more succinctly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQxO5cihKQ Let us go so that we might die with him indeed. We're all convinced sooner or later. Convinced of what exactly? The truth of Christianity? Maybe. There was a thread around the time of the sixth season in FYAD or PHIZ or something lambasting LOST for being Evangelical propaganda. There's certainly plenty of imagery to support that sort of reading. The above clip in it's entirety, Jacob dunking his prophet Richard under the water three times in ritual baptism, everything to do with Echo, Charlie having visions and building the church, the church at the end, and the six season recreation of The Pilgrims Progress. The plot line (that takes place largely in the excellent five season, ye six season haters!) that stands out the most is the Jesus figure (Jacob) being betrayed and murdered by one of his own disciples, and the resurrection of the False Christ (Locke), ultimately defeated by Jesus metaphorically resurrected inside the heart of one of his followers who partook in holy communion. Yikes! What Bible-thumping nonsense! And yet, is it? I don't remember the part in the Christian narrative where Jesus Christ you know, murdered someone out of spite accidentally. Christianity does not condone the narrative that Christ was an imperfect person doing the best job he could, that his followers often were conniving dicks who massacred scientists over territorial beliefs, nor would Christians like the comparison that their theology was born out of acts of horrific violence, lies, and deceit. That sounds more like an analogue to Church history, which is why I would argue that the Jacob and Smoke Monster were not, as many of you would agree, The Answer to the Island and it's mysteries but rather just one more institution that was a part of it. They complete the Island-as-microcosm-of-the-human-experience, just more cogs in the machine. The flash-sideways seems to me to have been an attempt to bring this all together so that it matters to the characters and serves as a parable for the audience. Trying to decode the thing may take another post at another time, but I'll quickly point out that once you start trying to peel away the layers at the WHY of it, the Flash-Sideways is loving deep, I struggle to even know where to begin. Set aside the transparent surface functions of it that are obvious to everyone: It allowed the show to perserve the split-narrative format and created a "mystery" to keep people tuned. Plot wise, it was the place the characters go when they die before they go to the great beyond. Do not ignore the genius of establishing that the mystical Sci-Fi magic island as the "real" world so early in the show's run. The showrunners loudly denied that the island was purgatory time and time again both in the show and outside of it to implant the idea in our brains, and then end the show with the reveal that the "fake world" is the one that looks exactly like ours. "No one can tell you why you're here Kate," this strange man says to Kate. She's never met him before this day, but when he tells her he's a friend she can't help but believe him. Imagine that one day you meet Desmond Hume for the first time. He takes you somewhere, to a concert, and there you meet someone who you've never seen before in your life, and you touch their hand, and suddenly you remember, this isn't real, this job you work day in and day out, this exhausting, mind-numbing, technology stuffed life. You've already lived the real life, on an magical world, where you fought pirates and monsters and ate boar for dinner. All your closest friends were there with you, and some of your enemies too, but in the end even they grew on you. You feel in love there, had a family. You met the most powerful beings in existence, and even caught a glimpse at the Source of All Life. And... you died. You're friends, they died too, some before, some after. But... it's ok. All the bad things melt away as you realize that death is not the end, you defeated it. It lies shattered on the rocks below, and you get to spend the rest of eternity with the ones that you Love. That is gnosticism, and that is LOST. I dunno, it wasn't perfect, but at least it wasn't loving Atlantis or some poo poo. press for porn fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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I don't really have anything to add to your discussion, but it's fascinating and you should be posting a lot more in this thread. Also not judging or anything since I have no religious beliefs, but what the hell will an atheist do with a comparative religion degree? Cpt. Spring Types posted:I'm an atheist, but I'm fascinated by religion. I think there are plenty of people who get degrees in things just because they're interested in them, and not to score job opportunities. Knowledge is cool, homie. This I know, I got a degree and I will never use it. It will look good if I apply to law school but gently caress more schooling redz fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Nov 4, 2011 |
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^^^ True dat. Well drat. That's definitely one of the best interpretations of the show I've heard. I hereby swear to keep that fully in mind the next time I watch Lost. redz posted:Also not judging or anything since I have no religious beliefs, but what the hell will an atheist do with a comparative religion degree? 
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REY DE LA PLAYA posted:I dunno, it wasn't perfect, but at least it wasn't loving Atlantis or some poo poo. This line right here is the definitive statement on why I personally like Lost so much- We can bitch about things that were weird, or we didn't agree with in the show, but the fact that the show didn't devolve into something that has already existed (Atlantis, Bermuda Triangle, spaceships, whatever) went a LONG way to me. Little flaws aside, this show created a pretty fascinating universe out of nothing, and I'll always appreciate it for that.
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REY DE LA PLAYA posted:I typed a long post about this, but then erased it because gently caress it, no one is going to like this anyways, so I won't try and convince anyone, although I guarantee I am right, damnit.  The empire never ended.
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Holy poo poo Rey De La Playa - That is a kick-rear end interpretation. Well done! I think I caught brief glimpses of that interpretation while watching it, but didn't get to form a cohesive thought like you have. ...I think I got caught up in wanting to find out about all the neat little side-poo poo...  I think you've made me want to rewatch Lost all over again. Thanks!!
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Edit: Bobx66 pm'd me a link that he's posted here before that discusses many of these things with a depth I can only drool at. It's a must read. Thanks everybody. I adore this thread, I'm really not ready to let LOST go yet, but in the cruel real world (OR IS IT?!?) most conversations about the show involve a lot of groaning and eye rolls, and to be frank, really basic discussion. While I don't mind speculating on what lies in store for Evangeline Lily's career, it is so great to be able to disappear to the corner of the internet where cool guys and gals can have high-level chats about the, like, metaphysics, man. However, that said, Use Less posted:Holy poo poo Rey De La Playa - That is a kick-rear end interpretation. Well done! Thanks dude! There's no activity I endorse more strongly. Let me just say for the record however, even though I'm arguing that detractor's of the show simply haven't allowed themselves to look under the hood, by no means do I want to let my head disappear up my rear end and forget that the surface-level "neat little side-poo poo" was by it's own merits the best loving television ever aired. I mean, when the show first aired it was this cool little mystery story about some charismatic plane crash survivors on an uncharted tropical island, yet by the fourth season we had this freighter off-shore with gun-toting mercenaries crawling all over the place waging war with an intrenched indigenous population. Follow that up with a time travel story that does not break the What Happened, Happened rule but rather has our heroes cause the events they tried to prevent and you pretty much have every true nerd's wet dream. Just typing that out makes me sad, because I just know I will never encounter an artist work more perfectly crafted to my tastes every again. The "problem" is that the sci-fi purists are unwilling to acknowledge the importance of the spiritual aspects of the show. You might say they're like Jack in this following clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZ11vKP9Sw (White Rabbit! Alice in Wonderland! It's so hard to stay on topic when discussing this show, there's so many rabbit holes to go down, conversationally). "The others don't want to talk about it, because it scares them." This statement by Locke can be used to both pose and answer a vital question in examining the reaction to The End: Why do certain people hate that LOST so heavily immersed itself in spirituality? Many of these people spread the falsehood that aspect of the show was sprung on the viewers in the final hour, but as the clip proves, they've truefully ran parallel to the main plot since the start. Very grudgingly I must admit, LOST did not always manage to be 100% consistent to itself in the end when it came to the details of it's universe (Goddamn that apparition of Christian Shepherd appearing off-island, on-frieghter, and in underground tunnel in the wrong timeline!!!). However, it remained remarkably consistent thematically from the moment Jack opened his eye in the pilot to the moment he closed it in the finale. That required almost inhuman foresight on the part of the show-runners, and careful consideration of every single line of dialogue written. Only a handful of the serious dramas can claim that feat Breaking Bad, The Wire. For a Sci-Fi show to accomplish it is almost a miracle. Battlestar, which I have major problems with in this area, probably came the closest with it's focus on the role of government in response to an existential crisis holding the narrative together. The people who grumble about the themes LOST decided to weave into it's fabric and claim that it should have stuck to the basic narrative need only to look at the shows that did just that: The Event, Terra Nova, Flashforward, and loving Heroes. These shows are and were plain stupid, all because they layered their mythology over vapid, vacuos, nothing. The people behind LOST were not about to make that mistake, which is why matters of faith were present from the beginning, but many viewers were unwilling to accept their importance, like Jack in the clip. They expected that there would be a grounded scientific "answer", some "hallucination, dehydration, post-traumatic stress" that would explain away the magical things happening in the show to their satisfaction. These people felt betrayed by the sixth season. They felt that religion had essentially won, triumphed over other viewpoints in the show. The reason that I'm so passionate about getting people to open themselves up to the deeper themes of the show is that I strongly believe that this isn't the case. LOST is not an argument for religion over science, nor is it an argument for science over religion, it's a rather cultured argument for a healthy relationship with both. It's like this infamous Einstien quote, Albert Einstein posted:Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. If LOST can be paired down to anything besides a diorama of Life, it would be the relationships between co-existing opposing forces. The sci-fi fun mythology of the show exists alongside the metaphysical musings in the same way that Dharma and the Others both took up space on the island. It's Yin and Yang, and without both sides of that coin the show would have been as lame as the ones I listed above. press for porn fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Nov 8, 2011 |
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LOST taught me the difference between "religion" and "faith". I don't think there is an ounce of religion in the narrative at all.
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I just want to say that the moment when Hurley says "I have to go after Sayid!" and Jack responds "THERE IS NO SAYID!" is, easily the most heart-breaking, gut-wrenching moment of the entire series.
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I didn't watch this show until it was already over, and then I just marathoned the whole thing over the course of 5 days. I was really, really disappointed, and surprised that the show got this much hype. I mean, I can say it was a "good" show in the sense that it kept me watching- practically every episode felt like a cliffhanger and I just had to find out what happened. Except a lot of times, what happened was essentially: nothing. So many of the plot lines- and I don't just mean the mysteries, but also important character-driven story lines- were either randomly jettisoned with no resolution or explanation, or got an illogical resolution that made no sense in comparison to what had gone on before. Sometimes they'd drop a storyline and spend a lot of time pretending it never happened, and then later they'd bring it back up and basically ret-con it with a totally nonsensical conclusion. The mysteries and character story lines kept me watching, but so many of those got either a ridiculous, half-assed resolution or no resolution at all, and that just left me irritated at the whole show. I don't mind the general idea that they all ended up in heaven together in the last episode. What I minded was the way they did it. The whole flash-sideways universe was obviously a purposeful fake-out. They wanted us to think it was an alternate timeline, and some of the stuff that happened literally made no sense in the context of it NOT being an alternate timeline. What I would have liked best would have been for the island to have turned out to be purgatory. I guess maybe it's a little cliche, but it would have worked so well for this show. We had all these broken characters who, through their time on the island, essentially redeemed themselves. It would have been cool if that was the purgatory, and they couldn't move on to heaven until they'd fixed themselves the way they did through their time on the island. But instead it was just some magic island that was never really explained and then at the end everyone's dead and somehow Sayid is with Shannon instead of with his murdered wife that he loved for years and years. I guess Nadia will be pretty upset when she gets to her own heaven and finds out her husband isn't there because he went off to heaven with some chick he dated for like two weeks on an island. Also unfathomable hate for the fact that Sawyer ended up with Juliet. The way it happened didn't even make sense for his character.
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Use Less posted:Has anyone who was a Lost fan given "Once Upon a Time" a chance? I've kept my distance, but I hear there's a bunch of Lost "Easter Eggs"...
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DeseretRain posted:I didn't watch this show until it was already over, and then I just marathoned the whole thing over the course of 5 days. A lot of what you're saying isn't inaccurate, but how is this possible? Did you mean 5 weeks? If somehow you did watch the entire series in 5 days, then that's probably why you didn't enjoy it as much. No time to let things sit and stew or think about what you just watched and let it turn over in your mind, it's just gogogogogogo.
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stratdax posted:A lot of what you're saying isn't inaccurate, but how is this possible? Did you mean 5 weeks? Watching an episode and having a week before the next episode to pour over every possible little thing. Numbers, black and white, everything that was going on easter egg-wise, and not to mention the breaks between series. That's what made it such a brilliant show, for me.
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Stuface posted:Watching an episode and having a week before the next episode to pour over every possible little thing. Numbers, black and white, everything that was going on easter egg-wise, and not to mention the breaks between series. That's what made it such a brilliant show, for me. Plus in season 6, Nedroid's amazing Twitter comics. 
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stratdax posted:A lot of what you're saying isn't inaccurate, but how is this possible? Did you mean 5 weeks? I actually meant 5 days. I basically did nothing during those 5 days besides eat, sleep, shower, and watch Lost. And the eating was done in front of the TV while watching Lost. Like I said, one thing that would make me say it's a "good" show is that I just didn't want to stop watching, I wanted to find out what happened. I've never done this with any other show, watching so much of it within a short space of time. Who knows, maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I'd spread it out. But I think the problems still would have bothered me.
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The problems are still there, but I feel like marathoning 121 hours of one thing is going to heavily detract from fully appreciating a show. Echoing what others said, part of what made Lost great was contemplating over the hidden meanings and wondering about what ifs. You didn't give yourself any time to just sit back and digest what was going on with everyone. And seriously, why would you do that to yourself?
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REY DE LA PLAYA posted:I typed a long post about this, but then erased it because gently caress it, no one is going to like this anyways, so I won't try and convince anyone, although I guarantee I am right, damnit. About midway through this post I thought "You know, this is a lot like that one Philip K. Dick essay." And then you cited it. And then you brought it home with that great scene from Waking Life as well. Thanks for writing this up because I think it's all really crystallizing why I loved this show so much.
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REY DE LA PLAYA posted:Imagine that one day you meet Desmond Hume for the first time. He takes you somewhere, to a concert, and there you meet someone who you've never seen before in your life, and you touch their hand, and suddenly you remember, this isn't real, this job you work day in and day out, this exhausting, mind-numbing, technology stuffed life. You've already lived the real life, on an magical world, where you fought pirates and monsters and ate boar for dinner. All your closest friends were there with you, and some of your enemies too, but in the end even they grew on you. You feel in love there, had a family. You met the most powerful beings in existence, and even caught a glimpse at the Source of All Life. And... you died. You're friends, they died too, some before, some after. But... it's ok. All the bad things melt away as you realize that death is not the end, you defeated it. It lies shattered on the rocks below, and you get to spend the rest of eternity with the ones that you Love. Seriously, this entire post and *especially* this paragraph is the first thing I've read that actually makes me feel good and happy about the flash-sideways, and makes me legitimately appreciate and love it as a storytelling device. You're absolutely correct - it is gnosticism, and it is all about that PK Dick essay and that Waking Life segment (both of which I've loved for years and spent a lot of time thinking about but never fully connected to Lost). But even stranger, I've honestly had very similar feelings to what you describe Kate as having in my own life at times, which makes it all speak to me in a much more profound way. Except for me, it always had to do with dreams - waking up from what felt like a long, never-ending dream that is right on the cusp of my memory but which I can't totally remember - and the only thing I know is that it was altogether more real, solid, meaningful, and significant than anything I've ever known in my waking state. Anyway. Those are some great thoughts. It makes me want to watch season six again and look at with new eyes. Hopefully I'll get around to that soon. Keep posting! I like that you're reading J. Wood's stuff, I always used to re-post some of his stuff in the Lost threads as the episodes aired, and felt that he was better than anyone else when it came to just free-styling on the literary and metaphysical themes in Lost, which was one of the most fun things about the show for me as it was airing.
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Lost was a different type of tv show that entailed watching an episode, discussing it (sometimes here on SA), reading up on theories, etc. It was expansive compared to the regular type of tv show; part of the fun for me was trying to figure stuff out. I still would've had enjoyed it without the extras, but they really did add to the show. The creators knew it, entire internet communities formed around the show, and the writers had a mouthpiece (usually Hurley or sometimes cameos), and interacted with the audience in their writing. At least a bit. Marathoning the entire thing having never watched it when all that was going on would be a different experience, I would imagine. You're left to your own devices to figure stuff out and don't have time to stew stuff over. Lost is more than just a passive experience.
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Dazerbeams posted:The problems are still there, but I feel like marathoning 121 hours of one thing is going to heavily detract from fully appreciating a show. Echoing what others said, part of what made Lost great was contemplating over the hidden meanings and wondering about what ifs. You didn't give yourself any time to just sit back and digest what was going on with everyone. And seriously, why would you do that to yourself? Well, it's not really 121 hours because each "hour" of Lost is really about 40-45 minutes without commercials and skipping over the "previously on Lost" stuff. You can get the series done in 5 days if you watch it like 16 hours a day. I guess it didn't really occur to me that I needed time to digest episodes since it's just a TV show. Like I said, I've never watched any other show for such a long time in a row, but there have been other shows where I originally got into them because there was a marathon on TV and I sat and watched for several hours and it didn't detract from them. Actually, watching all the season 1 episodes of The Walking Dead one right after another seems to improve the show, because you don't get so bored with episodes where nothing really happens. kaworu posted:Seriously, this entire post and *especially* this paragraph is the first thing I've read that actually makes me feel good and happy about the flash-sideways, and makes me legitimately appreciate and love it as a storytelling device. Actually, I agree. That's the best way to look at the flash-sideways that I've heard. I could almost like it, if only Kate had ended up with Sawyer and Shannon had ended up with Boone and Sayid had ended up with Nadia. DeseretRain fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Nov 11, 2011 |
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DeseretRain posted:and Shannon had ended up with Boone and wait, what Really?
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Oh my god I never realized this before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1NVUeF3WZk
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh my god I never realized this before.  Nice. loving nice.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh my god I never realized this before. Wow, that's great.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh my god I never realized this before. Holy loving poo poo
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh my god I never realized this before. I'm not trying to be all  but I thought this was well known in this thread, even right after the finale.
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They were playing the loving long game with that Apollo bar.
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DeseretRain posted:if only Kate had ended up with Sawyer Why would you want this? He had a fling with Kate while with Juliet he had an actual relationship.
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Yes, it's time for another LOST t-shirt.
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My issue with the finale, actually with the final season, isn't how it ends. I think, with a few caveats, that it's a wonderful send off for those characters. My issues are more based around the plain bad writing the show has exhibited. The final season is mostly filler. The only aspects of real importance are the sideways flashes, the rest is almost meaningless. The temple, the terrible MiB flashback episode (Though I love Pelligrino and Welliver), it's of no worth. The final season basically comes down to theme vs plot, and Lindelof and Cuse decided to serve one at the expense of another. That's fine, but people didn't watch for themes, they watched because mysteries hooked them in. Everything else is what gave the show substance, but you can't just ditch one aspect and expect people to be ok with it. People made a huge investment with Lost. They wanted to know about the Polar Bear, about the Outrigger, about the Dharma initiative; and while Cuse and Lindelof said for years that people will be never satisfied with the answers, that's no reason not to give answers. I think that's what hampers a re-watch of the show, it's difficult knowing that so much of it doesn't pay off. In fact, aside from some moments, the first 3 seasons feel like they belong to a different show. It's as if a new writing staff came in and thought "No we'll put our own spin on this". The worst thing to tint that loving finale is in the church. Sayid and Shannon. Sayid's whole character, his drive and motivation, was his wife. But instead Lindelof and Cuse decided for some vague reason that when he makes his move to the afterlife it's with Shannon, someone he undoubtedly liked but barely mentioned after she died. Offering some idea about "Oh well it's all about the Island and because they made their connection on the Island that's what's important" is loving bullshit, which is just was Cuse and Lindelof had to offer as an explanation. I look back on a lot of the show with fondness, and I like the actors a lot (I think Matthew Fox gets almost no credit for the work he did. He's brilliant in the finale). But for every great thing I think the show did there's a handful of things that just piss me off. I don't regret watching the show though, and as they say it's the journey not the destination that counts, I just wish we ended up somewhere nicer.
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Devil's Advocate: In a world they "created together," Sayid denying himself his true love actually makes some sense to me. He held Nadia up on this pedestal his whole adult life, and Sayid hated himself. He's angsty enough that I can believe he wouldn't find himself worthy of the woman he truly loved, and would deny his eternal soul that extra bit of happiness.
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DrVenkman posted:People made a huge investment with Lost. They wanted to know about the Polar Bear, about the Outrigger, about the Dharma initiative; and while Cuse and Lindelof said for years that people will be never satisfied with the answers, that's no reason not to give answers.
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TequilaJesus posted:Devil's Advocate: I'm pretty certain this exact point has been brought up before. Nadia, as much as Sayid loved her, reminded him of his horrible past, who he was and what he had done. But with Shannon, she accepted that he had a dark past and didn't care and could accept him for the person he wanted to be. It might have worked better if in season 6 they had more time together other than one scene that explored this, but considering availability and budget, they did what they could. I do think that it works better when re-watching Sayid's season 6 episode a few times to really understand it.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:They explained the polar bears in Season 3 so apparently Cuse and Lindelof are right to think people won't be satisfied with the answers they give. You're right to point out the explanation, but that seemed more like an example to a point than actual dissatisfaction with the answer. On point though... so uh, what was up with zombie Sayid? He's back from the grave? And he's evil? Or not evil? And then remembers who he is or what? Season 6 is so disappointing. They kept introducing these neat concepts and then smashing their toys or forgetting about them. Season 5 will always be my favorite for being the boldest with both answers and storytelling that gives no gently caress. They just went with it and it was interesting as could be. That's probably why I loathe 6 as much as I do, in 5 (starting with 4) we got these great revelations and full admiration of the shows sci-fi backgroud. Instead of pushing forward it feels like they went backwards with a lot of empty plots and the "characters, its all about the characters" crap in order to justify their twist ending.
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In season 6 what were they thinking with the "Sun gets hit on the head and forgets English" plot?
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As far as I'm concerned, Lost ended with Juliet setting off the nuclear bomb in the past. That's my postmortem anyway.
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AASman posted:In season 6 what were they thinking with the "Sun gets hit on the head and forgets English" plot?
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AASman posted:In season 6 what were they thinking with the "Sun gets hit on the head and forgets English" plot? Red herring. They were trying to imply a concurrent connection with the "parallel universe", which turned out to be purgatory. Yes, it's was kinda silly.
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FrensaGeran posted:Red herring. They were trying to imply a concurrent connection with the "parallel universe", which turned out to be purgatory. Yes, it's was kinda silly.
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Utter Amnesty posted:As far as I'm concerned, Lost ended with Juliet setting off the nuclear bomb in the past. That's my postmortem anyway. Lost ended when the island disappeared
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