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Grez posted:you wouldn't be arsed if you'd bought some decent players with it and were top of the league. I honestly don't know how I'd feel if we were in City's position. I've always said I'd much, much rather us follow Arsenal's blueprint than any other big team but perhaps once we were linked with every superstar in the world and won everything I'd feel differently. Seems so hollow though.
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tekz posted:Don't think that's correct, mate Put in a position where a club is forced to sell a player (Pastore, Sanchez, Fabregas, take your pick of any of the disillusioned/wantaway players out there), do you think the club would prefer to drive up that price as much as possible or take solace in the fact that everyone's capped at £30mil per window? City/Chelsea/Madrid/United/etc... have money to spend on wage bills. They'll get whoever they want regardless of how much they're allowed to spend per window. Whatever false sense of comparative normalcy a transfer fee cap will provide (Assuming £30mil = best player available that window) will work against clubs forced to sell players. And if City hit their £30mil cap before they sign PlayerX, that just means PlayerX is going to a different club that will offer similar wages instead. Smaller club still gets bent over the table. Wages dictate everything. If the bench players at City weren't making £100k a week, they wouldn't have moved to Manchester even if City spent £100mil on their transfer fee (Hyperbole, obviously).
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I love the 'Doing X doesn't solve the problem. In fact,' cliches that pop up whenever X is putting in place any kind of rule or regulation to make things fairer. Clubs being able to hold on to their good players instead of just being feeder teams to the rich ones would lead to better attendances and matchday revenue, a better chance of promotion/staving off relegation, a higher chance of improved league positions and resultant greater share of the TV revenue pool etc.
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Nov 23, 2011 09:42
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I want to say its kind of refreshing supporting a club with a proper, sound financial plan. Even if it was helped along somewhat by somehow selling Andy Carroll for £35m
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Nov 23, 2011 10:03
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Someone had to hand Man United their worst home loss in near 100 years so I am glad City spent the money in all honesty.
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Nov 23, 2011 10:22
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Pissflaps posted:No my argument is still that Manchester City are doing nothing that plenty of other clubs havent done, including Manchester United. They're just doing it on a grander scale. I don't remember Manchester United ever being owned by by a sugar daddy who bought them all the best players. Must have been before my time.
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Nov 23, 2011 10:30
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Ewar Woowar posted:I just couldn't take satisfaction in winning anything when the owners of my club spent the kind of sums Chelsea and now City are spending. get off your pedestal
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Nov 23, 2011 12:29
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I desperately wish my club would suddenly come into millions out of nowhere. Oh wait, that happened, and turned out to be a hilarious hoax, and we nearly loving died. (notts county)
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Nov 23, 2011 12:40
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Lot 49 posted:I don't remember Manchester United ever being owned by by a sugar daddy who bought them all the best players. You're a Manchester United fan its ok you can just say you think we're cunts without trying to justify it by pretending you're any better than us
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Nov 23, 2011 12:45
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Are any of your clubs owned by Skeletor? thought not
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Nov 23, 2011 12:50
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Remember when Portsmouth almost went out of business those were the days so what's all this about wage structure?
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Transatlantic Gulp posted:You're a Manchester United fan its ok you can just say you think we're cunts without trying to justify it by pretending you're any better than us At least united isn't funded on the back of slavery I guess.
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Nov 23, 2011 13:08
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Byolante posted:At least united isn't funded on the back of slavery I guess. I'm sure none of their tops that are sold around the world are made by kids in terrible conditions
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Byolante posted:At least united isn't funded on the back of slavery I guess. no thats liverpool
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^^^^ Just because American plastics will post obliviously for free it doesn't make it slavery. Jose posted:I'm sure none of their tops that are sold around the world are made by kids in terrible conditions Nike sweatshops vs importing workers from the third world then confiscating their passports so they are unable to go home. Hmmm, if only you could work out which was worse.
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Byolante posted:Nike sweatshops vs importing workers from the third world then confiscating their passports so they are unable to go home. Hmmm, if only you could work out which was worse. Does it matter which one is worse? They're both pretty shady.
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Byolante posted:^^^^ I don't think this is what
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I knit my own shirts from wheat but that's just because Pompey can't afford even child labour at this point
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Someone convince me about a wage cap because I can't see it help at all and it's astonishingly anti-competitive and possibly illegal. Also trivial to circumvent.
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Dudley posted:Someone convince me about a wage cap because I can't see it help at all and it's astonishingly anti-competitive and possibly illegal. What would you set the salary cap at and why. Either it would be beyond the means of most of the teams spending themselves into nothing achieving precisely gently caress all or all the pricey players would gently caress off to Qatar like Gyan.
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Transatlantic Gulp posted:You're a Manchester United fan its ok you can just say you think we're cunts without trying to justify it by pretending you're any better than us I quite like City. I don't think there's anything wrong with spending all your owners money and if United don't win the league then I hope City do. Manchester pride  I just think it's silly to say that how they are achieving success is the same as how United did it.
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A wage cap can't work unless it's implemented by FIFA across all countries and applied fairly. With FIFA's record for fair and transparent dealings in financial areas this is a plan that can't fail.
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Pissflaps posted:I do not see the difference between a club attracting a single investor from the middle east, and another a million investors from the far east. Quoting this so people notice it
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Ewar Woowar posted:I just couldn't take satisfaction in winning anything when the owners of my club spent the kind of sums Chelsea and now City are spending. It's kind of like playing Ultimate Soccer Manager, but editing the player stats beforehand so that everyone was 99 in each stat. Fun to pummel a load of teams, but it's not really like you've done anything involving skill.
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I am the law, but an easily bribed kind of law.
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I've done an analysis by using Excel and assorted variables. These include cunty players, cunty fans, how shady the financial framework is, labour rights in the third world and arabic countries, etc. My conclusion is that we're all cunts, some marginally worse than others. I'll upload the spreadsheet later.
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Nov 23, 2011 14:00
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Your (whichever) team has more money and resources and options than any team lower down the pyramid, therefore supporting any club that isn't at the lowest level of the pyramid is ultimately a pointless exercise since you started with a loaded deck anyway.
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Researchers have found that salary caps, revenue sharing and luxury taxes didn't increase parity in american sports leagues. So it is doubtful they would in Europe. Our only remaining option is to implement a draft. Hashtag Banterzone fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Nov 23, 2011 |
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http://football365.com/news/21554/7326534/Wenger-Not-Sure-UEFA-Will-Enforce-FFP-Rules Wenger is optimistic about it
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Vinestalk posted:Restricting transfer fees doesn't solve the big problem. If anything, you're just hurting smaller clubs dependent on selling the players they nurture/create. The big clubs would absolutely love it if they were almost always guaranteed to be able to sign whoever they wanted for £30mil. The Fabregas saga in particular would have had a slightly more hilarious/depressing outcome had there been a cap on spending per window. Lot 49 posted:I quite like City. I don't think there's anything wrong with spending all your owners money and if United don't win the league then I hope City do. Manchester pride
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8raz posted:Not per player. In total!! But otherwise, yeah. Looking forward to Qatar bankrolling a 400m per year loss to supplant City with Reading.
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Byolante posted:Looking forward to Qatar bankrolling a 400m per year loss to supplant City with Reading.
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The same clubs should continue to be big clubs because they got there first and it's unfair for fans who picked those big clubs to see someone else come along and take that away. HOW AM I GOING TO MAKE POSTS LAUGHING AT ARSENAL IF UNITED DON'T WIN TROPHIES ANY MORE EITHER????
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8raz posted:Thought experiment Byolante: Stoke get bought tomorrow and become the richest club of all time. They then buy Barcelona FC and simply field their starting 11. How do you react? I'm guessing surprised.
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Meanwhile, back at Portsmouth a euro wide arrest warrant is issued for their owner. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15859800
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MattWPBS posted:It's kind of like playing Ultimate Soccer Manager, but editing the player stats beforehand so that everyone was 99 in each stat. Fun to pummel a load of teams, but it's not really like you've done anything involving skill. you pathetic oval office
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willkill4food posted:Researchers have found that salary caps, revenue sharing and luxury taxes didn't increase parity in american sports leagues. So it is doubtful they would in Europe.
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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2885/europe/2011/11/23/2770887/uefa-drop-proposals-to-impose-strict-penalties-on-clubs-that basically its all a massive joke!
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Dudley posted:Meanwhile, back at Portsmouth a euro wide arrest warrant is issued for their owner. Remember when nikolai asked for the thread title to be changed because it was unfair? 
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Dudley posted:Someone convince me about a wage cap because I can't see it help at all and it's astonishingly anti-competitive and possibly illegal. If all the greedy talented players are already soaking up the biggest chunk of their club's wage bill, they don't really have a reason to leave for City/Anzhi. Especially when players like Tevez and Eto'o are already soaking up most of the wage bill at their respective clubs. Really, the only legitimate way to circumvent wage bill regulations is having a bunch of talented players willingly take lower wages to play together. Illegitimate ways can vary between "gift giving," outside of the wage bill or providing assets to players (Like houses, cars. etc...). But diving into those waters will more than likely get you a swift visit from HM Revenue. As previously mentioned, the toughest part about wage caps is making sure it's fair across every country/league. Which won't happen because FIFA/UEFA are too lazy/incompetent to sort it out.
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