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Batista liked Daniel Bryan before everyone did and started hating him before everyone did. Basically, Batista is a wrestling hipster
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To be fair it's not as if they've been booking him to be some kind of world beater. He shouldn't be world champion. Not till he's had a great big push that makes him look great. Now they're ether going to book him well after they've thrown him to the top or do the same thing they've done with Swagger and both won't really get him over. Although with Batista it might have been size and promo ability he's talking about.
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Dec 19, 2011 15:52
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So if Bryan goes down to Gracie Fighter Tampa and taps Batista out, will he accept Bryan as a champion, or what?
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Dec 19, 2011 15:54
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Batista outweighs Bryan by about 70lbs and trains in MMA regularly, so that would be a pretty interesting fight to behold
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Dec 19, 2011 15:59
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Mystery Opponent posted:Batista outweighs Bryan by about 70lbs and trains in MMA regularly, so that would be a pretty interesting fight to behold And I've heard Batista is quite legit at it, but Bryan - supposedly - was a lot better at it than Batista is, back when Bryan trained regularly.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:02
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Mystery Opponent posted:Basically, Batista is a wrestling hipster 
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Dec 19, 2011 16:06
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Still, very good of Batista to do that for Daniel Bryan. If he hadn't there's a very good chance he could have gotten the Low-Ki treatment.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:10
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Mega GIRL posted:He is such a giant douchebag-looking dude.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:12
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Edwardian posted:He is such a giant douchebag-looking dude. What do you mean, "-looking?"
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Dec 19, 2011 16:18
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Batista is about as eloquent as Manflurry talking about catears, but there's nothing wrong with his point. It's pretty much my attitude. I love Daniel Bryan as a worker but giving him a belt he isn't over enough for, he isn't ready for and storyline sense he's clearly not good enough for only undermines the win in itself. We've been through this before with Jack Swagger.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:45
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The Increasingly Desperate Axl Rotten posted:RAW in Philly 2nite. old school ECW fans going? I'd Love an "AXL ROTTEN" sign on TV. I'll Give a shirt & signed 8x10. Need proof it was u!
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Dec 19, 2011 16:51
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Lone Rogue posted:Batista is about as eloquent as Manflurry talking about catears, but there's nothing wrong with his point. It's pretty much my attitude. I love Daniel Bryan as a worker but giving him a belt he isn't over enough for, he isn't ready for and storyline sense he's clearly not good enough for only undermines the win in itself. We've been through this before with Jack Swagger. I'd wager that Batista isn't saying Bryan shouldn't have the title because he isn't booked strongly - it's because Bryan is small. Or he thinks Bryan lacks star quality, is just a vanilla technician, or something.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:51
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:I'd wager that Batista isn't saying Bryan shouldn't have the title because he isn't booked strongly - it's because Bryan is small. Or he thinks Bryan lacks star quality, is just a vanilla technician, or something. Daniel Bryan: 5'10" Eddie Guerrero: 5'8" Maybe I'm giving Batista the benefit of the doubt (I've done stupider things) but I don't think he doubts Daniel Bryan because of his size. He doubts him because he doesn't buy into him as Champ right now. And gently caress, I agree with him. I wouldn't buy Eddie Guerrero as WWF World Champ in 2002 but enough changed by 2004 that I did. Is that so wrong?
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Dec 19, 2011 16:55
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Lone Rogue posted:Daniel Bryan: 5'10" Remember how big Eddie was at the end of his career? He wasn't that tall, but he was juiced to the gills.
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Dec 19, 2011 16:59
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Lone Rogue posted:Daniel Bryan: 5'10" Given that Batista does not watch the product, it would be difficult for me to accept he's looking at it from a booking perspective. He doesn't know what the current booking is. And Eddie was jacked up to a ludicrous degree, while Bryan is a much smaller, athletic-looking wrestler. Height aside, I could definitely see Batista docking Bryan for being smaller. Ultimately though, who knows? Batista was probably just drunk ranting (and god forbid if that wasn't drunk ranting).
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Dec 19, 2011 17:01
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Grant DaNasty posted:Remember how big Eddie was at the end of his career? He wasn't that tall, but he was juiced to the gills. Am I the only one noticing how much more jacked Bryan looks right now compared to how he did when he came in at NXT? Dude is gettin' cut. I'm not accusing him of anything, just pointing out that he's a lot bigger than he was a year ago.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:01
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Lone Rogue posted:Daniel Bryan: 5'10" Danielson had a pussy win last night but that's typical of all MITB winners; like the way he is booked, it's not his fault and at least he has consistently good matches even when he's on the losing end. Given that a big difference between Eddie 2002 and Eddie 2004 was steroids, yes I'd say there is something wrong.
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Mega GIRL posted:Danielson had a pussy win last night but that's typical of all MITB winners; like the way he is booked, it's not his fault and at least he has consistently good matches even when he's on the losing end. Given that a big difference between Eddie 2002 and Eddie 2004 was steroids, yes I'd say there is something wrong. Yeah, Eddie was doing nothing different in his career in 2004 compared to 2002 and honestly had no big wins or programs in that span. It was just HGH. Heeeyuck yup.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:06
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Lone Rogue posted:Yeah, Eddie was doing nothing different in his career in 2004 compared to 2002 and honestly had no big wins or programs in that span. It was just HGH. Heeeyuck yup. Eddie's work was always consistent and good. You don't believe his look had any influence on the way he was booked in 2004?
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Dec 19, 2011 17:09
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Mega GIRL posted:Eddie's work was always consistent and good. You don't believe his look had any influence on the way he was booked in 2004? Of course it had influence. This is the WWE. You don't believe Bryan looking a lot more muscular and tanned now has anything to do with how he's being booked now? But Eddie Guerrero in 2002 was still recovering from getting canned for a drug problem and was at best a midcarder. Would you have bought Eddie Guerrero as WWE Undisputed Champion in 2002? If you say yes just because he was a consistent wrestler then WWE booking is perfect for you since you really don't care if it makes sense. You just want to cheerlead your favourites.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:10
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Lone Rogue posted:Would you have bought Eddie Guerrero as WWE Undisputed Champion in 2002? No, but let's not pretend the situations are equal. The undisputed belt was much stronger in 2002 than either belt is now.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:17
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Lone Rogue posted:Of course it had influence. This is the WWE. You don't believe Bryan looking a lot more muscular and tanned now has anything to do with how he's being booked now? Like I said, Danielson can not help how he is booked and I do not believe these new muscles you claim have helped him get over since last night he merely ran in and pinned a dude who kicked out at 3. He was on a losing streak even after he won MITB so I don't see how he is being booked differently besides finally cashing in last night. I want Danielson to have a credible run in the top card because I like him and his work. What's wrong with cheer leading my favorites?
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Dec 19, 2011 17:19
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tzirean posted:No, but let's not pretend the situations are equal. The undisputed belt was much stronger in 2002 than either belt is now. Do people really feel, with the booking of Daniel Bryan in 2011 that he is the level of a main event competitor who is deserving to hold the World Heavyweight Championship? That his booking, his matches, his wins, his losses and his treatment is that of someone expected to headline a major part of the WWE product? If you do, that's cool. But you're cheerleading. Admit it and move on. I have no issue with people saying that they are simply happy to see Daniel Bryan as World Champion. So am I. But anyone saying this was done properly, or done to make Bryan a credible Champion, or that it's wrong to doubt Bryan as Champ right now, is where we get into a much different discussion. There's too much to prove otherwise. Question: what makes Daniel Bryan a more credible choice right now to be World Heavyweight Champion than Wade Barrett?
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Dec 19, 2011 17:23
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Batista is itbegins2012. WM28 Daniel Bryan vs Batista.
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Dec 19, 2011 18:05
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Lone Rogue posted:Question: what makes Daniel Bryan a more credible choice right now to be World Heavyweight Champion than Wade Barrett? He can pass a wellness test? His nose is straight? He didn't get jobbed the gently caress out to Cena repeatedly?
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Dec 19, 2011 19:56
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Lone Rogue posted:Question: what makes Daniel Bryan a more credible choice right now to be World Heavyweight Champion than Wade Barrett? He had the briefcase.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:01
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:And I've heard Batista is quite legit at it, but Bryan - supposedly - was a lot better at it than Batista is, back when Bryan trained regularly. My money would be on Bryan. Seriously.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:10
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Hiram posted:My money would be on Bryan. Seriously. Guy who trains for MMA and is massive or a professional wrestler who watches BJJ tapes? Hmm...
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^He does a LOT more than just watch tapes.Hiram posted:My money would be on Bryan. Seriously. So would mine, but I say this having never seen Batista roll. You never know....
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Dec 19, 2011 20:18
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Lone Rogue posted:Do people really feel, with the booking of Daniel Bryan in 2011 that he is the level of a main event competitor who is deserving to hold the World Heavyweight Championship? That his booking, his matches, his wins, his losses and his treatment is that of someone expected to headline a major part of the WWE product? This is the twitter thread.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:42
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ChampRamp posted:Guy who trains for MMA and is massive or a professional wrestler who watches BJJ tapes? He's been training in BJJ for quite a while now. And you don't have to be massive to tap someone out. It's all about technique. But then again, you've probably watched more BJJ than I ever have so..
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Dec 19, 2011 20:57
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There's a reason why there's weight classes in MMA and Bryan and Batista would never, in a million years, share one. Small guys with a lot of training/technique can tap big guys with little training/technique but if both of them have some skill, the big guy's going to win most of the time.
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Dec 19, 2011 20:59
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Hiram posted:He's been training in BJJ for quite a while now. And you don't have to be massive to tap someone out. It's all about technique. No, BJJ doesn't work. You must be new. We can take this to the UFC thread if you wish.
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Dec 19, 2011 21:06
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Ryder still hasn't tweeted a pic of his title in the fridge. Someone update me when he does.
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Dec 19, 2011 21:12
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Ryder still hasn't tweeted a pic of his title in the fridge. He's afraid Austin will see it and notice all the Bud Light Lime.
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Dec 19, 2011 22:47
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Well, at least nothing can be more pathetic and desperate than that Gabe tweet. So we've got that going fo-apsouthern posted:Axl Rotten 
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Dec 19, 2011 22:53
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ChampRamp posted:Guy who trains for MMA and is massive or a professional wrestler who watches BJJ tapes? Batista isn't massive (anymore) and Danielson's been training MMA longer. And Batista is almost 50.
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Dec 19, 2011 23:24
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Are you people seriously having a "which pro wrestling personality could beat up the other one for realsies?" argument...
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Dec 19, 2011 23:30
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He's also had serious injuries to his bicep and ACL.
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Hiram posted:He's been training in BJJ for quite a while now. And you don't have to be massive to tap someone out. It's all about technique. Didn't Bryan do some training over in Xtreme Couture in Vegas for awhile?
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