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fatherdog posted:When "first getting into MMA" Hughes had five decisions in his first thirty matches. I meant when I was getting into it and reading about MMA to learn - at the time LNP and Matt Hughes were synonymous it appeared when people talked about W.R.E.A.M.
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Lid posted:Not sure the Nog fight counts as that is more seen as a gift robbery than Big Nog winning from his back. that is part of the point quote:When first getting into MMA "Matt Hughes" was synonymous with LNP The only time I remember him being accused of lay n pray was against Charuto. Which is another example of a time maybe the guy on bottom should've won. The last high profile guy with a real reputation for lay n pray I can remember is Rashad Evans, but he's reversed that
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Bundt Cake posted:that is part of the point He had a pretty lame performance against Chris Lytle before Chris Lytle became Chris Lytle.
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Sean sherk was known for lay and pray during his title reign. He would constantly improve position but never really cause damage or go for subs Dangersim fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Dec 30, 2011 |
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Ah, something I'll notice after watching more fights, I suppose. I thought the way "lay and pray" is brought up, it might have been a thing that actually happened more than almost never. (Good fighters usually don't try that many subs from the bottom anyway, they're too busy using their hooks to initiate a scramble and escape back to their feet. See Edgar, Frankie.)
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quote:UFC 141 Salaries posted: Crossposting from the UFC Dec thread, but are low-tier fighters exclusively contracted to the UFC? 6,000 to show doesn't seem like a lot, even before management's cut and taxes and such; since they have to go 3+ months between fights, I'm wondering how they fill in the gaps between fights as far as making money. I know a lot of guys teach martial arts on the side and there's sponsors, but can low-level UFC fighters fight in other promotions?
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No, UFC contracts are exclusive with very few exceptions (they let Houston Alexander take a fight in MFC or something because he needed the money).
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red19fire posted:Crossposting from the UFC Dec thread, but are low-tier fighters exclusively contracted to the UFC? 6,000 to show doesn't seem like a lot, even before management's cut and taxes and such; since they have to go 3+ months between fights, I'm wondering how they fill in the gaps between fights as far as making money. I know a lot of guys teach martial arts on the side and there's sponsors, but can low-level UFC fighters fight in other promotions? Hopefully if a fighter has decent management they are also making money from sponsorships, and many professional fighters also teach between camps.
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Various writers, fighters, and legal proceedings have also revealed that everyone makes significantly more than their listed guarantee in contractual or discretionary bonuses.
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jeffersonlives posted:Various writers, fighters, and legal proceedings have also revealed that everyone makes significantly more than their listed guarantee in contractual or discretionary bonuses. They've got revenue streams, most of them coach on the side, get paid to be training partners of other fighters at their gyms, sponsorship money, seminars, appearance fees, their purse is just a part of what they make year to year.
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Decades posted:Just watched Dana White's last video blog where Claude Patrick (at least I think it was Patrick) complains about losing a decisions and brings up his sub attempts as a reason he should have won. Which if I recall consisted mostly of holding ebersole in futile guillotines. Even the fighters don't know what's what. But as we saw ebersole has an iron neck and stated "guillotines are a myth" and therefore should win. Attempting a futile move on such a powerful neck is merely a waste of energy
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Quodio Stotes posted:But as we saw ebersole has an iron neck and stated "guillotines are a myth" and therefore should win. Attempting a futile move on such a powerful neck is merely a waste of energy Called guillotines a myth on the same night a fighter was put to sleep with one.
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BlindSite posted:Called guillotines a myth on the same night a fighter was put to sleep with one. Yea but JJ did it Marcelo style/ Mckenzie style AKA the only real guillotine. Standard guilloties are for scrubs. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing a guy concede a takedown to go for a guillotine. It's happened like 500 times and the only time it actually worked was for that British lightweight guy whose name escapes me at the moment. Chexoid fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 5, 2012 |
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I'm pretty sure Melvin gullairded himself into one with Nate, and Kang/Belcher ended that way too. What I'm saying is the best fighters and fights end that way.
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Chexoid posted:Yea but JJ did it Marcelo style/ Mckenzie style AKA the only real guillotine. Standard guilloties are for scrubs. There's more than two variations of a guillotine and his way wasn't overly unique.
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I've been finally getting around to watching "the reem" it's really good is there anything else like it that I should watch?
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Watch "The Smashing Machine" if you want to learn about the soul crushing misery that is Mark Kerr's existence. Also Mark Coleman is in there.
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Chexoid posted:Watch "The Smashing Machine" if you want to learn about the soul crushing misery that is Mark Kerr's existence. Also Mark Coleman is in there. Smashing machine is interesting because it kind of shows why some fighters who you'd think would be great end up going to poo poo. Also it's interesting to see some of the fighters' interactions at the pride GP. Steroid users loving everywhere too.
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You pay money and you can watch fights. During the fights you can change angles to anything that the camera crew is looking at (there's generally 4 cageside angles, 1 overhead or wide, and each fighter's corner. You can also do multiple angles simultaneously, though the quality drops a bit and you'll need a good connection to maintain this.
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I found an easier and freer way to catch up on the cards I've missed
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gimpsuitjones posted:I found and easier and freer way to catch up on the cards I've missed please keep in mind once you actually start watching fights you are no longer allowed to make posts in the MMA threads. view fights at your own risk. unless you're just catching up on old Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg banter during fighter walkouts, then by all means disregard this warning.
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combat sports related question: why was mobn banned and someone buy him a new account please. thank you
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Bubba Smith posted:please keep in mind once you actually start watching fights you are no longer allowed to make posts in the MMA threads. view fights at your own risk. If I stick to only watch local shows and then claim some Swedish fighters who beat up cans would crush any UFC competition they face but that I prefer they stay in Europe and fight in stuff like KSW and M1, because the UFC is corrupt, can i still post then, or is there a complete ban on watching fights?
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DekeThornton posted:If I stick to only watch local shows and then claim some Swedish fighters who beat up cans would crush any UFC competition they face but that I prefer they stay in Europe and fight in stuff like KSW and M1, because the UFC is corrupt, can i still post then, or is there a complete ban on watching fights? You should post and if anyone believes you immediately submit an application to be the new M1 global PR rep.
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Bubba Smith posted:combat sports related question: why was mobn banned and someone buy him a new account please. thank you he was fat e: is fat
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I've never really seen any non-UFC MMA, so if they haven't competed there, I pretty much have never heard of them. So then, who's the best current non-UFC fighters in each division, and how would they fare in the UFC?
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workinonit posted:I've never really seen any non-UFC MMA, so if they haven't competed there, I pretty much have never heard of them. So then, who's the best current non-UFC fighters in each division, and how would they fare in the UFC? fedor; would get mexicuted
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workinonit posted:I've never really seen any non-UFC MMA, so if they haven't competed there, I pretty much have never heard of them. So then, who's the best current non-UFC fighters in each division, and how would they fare in the UFC? Others here know far more than me, but I'd guess the best outside of the UFC right now tend to be in Strikforce and Bellator. The current champs there would probably do fine in the UFC even if most wouldn't be serious contenders. Read the non UFC MMA thread. It's also important to keep in mind that the best fighter of all time (Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emilianenko) is not in the UFC, due to his disgust over UFC's and Dana White's corrupt nature, making the UFC heavyweight title completely illegitimate.
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workinonit posted:I've never really seen any non-UFC MMA, so if they haven't competed there, I pretty much have never heard of them. So then, who's the best current non-UFC fighters in each division, and how would they fare in the UFC? This is essentially a "who are the notables in Bellator and Strikeforce?" question. A lot of these fighters haven't faced great competition so it's hard to predict how they would succeed in the UFC. Gilbert Melendez (155) is probably the best non-UFC fighter out there. He hasn't faced many high quality opponents, but he would at least be a contender in the division. 155 is deep as hell so it's hard to say anything with certainty though. A few months ago you could say the same for Alvarez but he just got beat by a a relative unknown in Chandler. 155 rules in general so it's not necessarily a knock on him. At heavyweight, Barnett and Cormier are about to face each other to determine the king of the non-UFC heavyweights...but the Strikeforce HW division is folding so expect to see them both fight in the UFC by the end of the year. They could both make waves in the UFC, but that's not saying much because heavyweight sucks rear end. Lightheavyweight I guess it's a toss up between King Mo and Cavalcante. They could be contenders but they're both relatively new to the sport and haven't faced too many notables between each other with much success. They seem solid though. 185 has Hector Lombard but he hasn't fought anybody of note ever. An unproven commodity with an overblown record. My guess is he'd get blown out of the division in the UFC, but maybe I just don't like him after all the stories I've heard about him and his attitude in the gym. Outside of him you have Jacare who I assumed had a very solid skillset, but just got beat by Rockhold who I think is a pretty mediocre fighter. You also have Tim Kennedy, but I'm pretty sure he's Rockhold's twin brother. At 170 I guess you could say Ben Askren is the best, but he's green as hell. He's still essentially a wrestler. Someone is going to have to fill in for me as to 145 and below as those are still developing divisions. That said, my uninformed opinion would be Pat Curran at 145, Bibiano Fernandez at 135, and I have no idea at 125. The divisions are really weak below 155 so anybody could be a title contender with a win or two.
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Eddie Alvarez spent so much time shaping his eyebrows that the one true God Muhammad (SAW) took away his hair, which goes to show that ultimate fighting outside of the UFC isn't As Real As It Gets
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Joe motherfucking Warren is the greatest featherweight and bantamweight fighter ever.
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Boregasm posted:Gilbert Melendez (155) is probably the best non-UFC fighter out there. He hasn't faced many high quality opponents, but he would at least be a contender in the division. 155 is deep as hell so it's hard to say anything with certainty though. A few months ago you could say the same for Alvarez but he just got beat by a a relative unknown in Chandler. 155 rules in general so it's not necessarily a knock on him. Excellent post. I like how you left out Gegard Mousasi, good choice. But I would say Jay Hieron is a pretty decent WW too. He may not be able to hang with the top guys in the UFC but he could beat a Dan Hardy type dude, which goes far in UFC.
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Tyron Woodley and Tarec Saffedine are pretty good too - they're not elite level guys but they could probably hang around on the Claude Patrick/Daniel Roberts level of welterweights.
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What are your opinions on close fights where the decision could go either way? Should judges score more 10-10s and allow fights to be draws, or is there another way to make the judging system work to make the decision more obviously match what fans see happening in the cage?
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What are your opinions on close fights where the decision could go either way? Should judges score more 10-10s and allow fights to be draws, or is there another way to make the judging system work to make the decision more obviously match what fans see happening in the cage? I think the main problem is the reluctance judges have in awarding anything but 10-9s. A really close round will get the same score as one with a clear winner, while 10-8s will only be awarded to one sided beatdowns. If they gave 10-9s to close rounds, 10-8 to clear winner rounds and 10-7 to beatdowns, it would simplify things. Essentially, it would end up with scoring like the Penn-Fitch fight, which I actually agree with.
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