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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
In retrospect though, all the elements for it were set up well in advance.
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Affi posted:Oh no! Please have the next strip be what I hope it will be! Xykon coming in and slaughtering everyone?
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Jan 4, 2012 17:26
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I'd really like to play an Azure City Underground D&D scenario, it could be a really nice diversion from the typical adventure routine. Low level characters, fighting to survive, emphasis on stealth and tactics.
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Geekner posted:I'd really like to play an Azure City Underground D&D scenario, it could be a really nice diversion from the typical adventure routine. Low level characters, fighting to survive, emphasis on stealth and tactics. I did that in a d20 Modern campaign set in Nazi France. It was good times.
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terminal mehmet posted:Xykon coming in and slaughtering everyone? Exactly!
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One does wonder how the Resistance get's such good intel, I guess they literally have nothing better to do though. What I see happening is Xykon flips his poo poo and decides to burn Gobtopia down and murder everyone in it,both to root out the Resistance and he'll finally see having a populated city around as more of a liability than a benefit (no resistance if there's no populace). This will of course ignite the long brewing tension between Xykon and Redcloak. At least I hope so, it seems like the most interesting way for things to play out from here. e:VVVVV Still, even knowing that the phylactery is missing, the search for it was massive, there were thousands of goblins looking. Even so they were able to identify when the goblins found it, which goblins found it, and organize an ambush to intercept it before it was bought back to the tower, which the goblins set off to do immediately, that's extraordinarily good intelligence. The Rooster fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 4, 2012 |
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terminal mehmet posted:Xykon coming in and slaughtering everyone? Whiles that's certainly possible, and would be an interesting lead-in to Xykon getting back into the game, it seems kind of cheap. With the Cloister effect going on, there should be no way for Team X to know that the phylactery was found. I mean, I suppose they could have sent a runner ahead with the news, but there's no evidence of that in the strip. Also, I think giving the good guys an edge vis a vis the stolen phylactery adds more drama to events than another massacre. We get that Xykon is powerful and ruthless. Giving him back his phylactery and ending any hope that Azure City will ever be freed just reinforces the status quo. Xykon going after Girard's Gate but being unable to risk death? THAT'S more interesting. EDIT: ^^^^ That's the advantage the good guys have...they're working as a team. Hinjo passed the word to the Elves who, in turn, told Team Peregrine that the goblins are looking for the phylactery. That's how Hinjo knew what was going on in Azure City to be able to tell V, after all. So the Resistance has been busy watching the search and looking for this exact opportunity. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 4, 2012 |
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Jan 4, 2012 18:21
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You know, paladins... All this letting the goblins sweat and bleed and die to overcome the many obstacles inherent in finding the treasure, only for you to seize it from them at the last minute... is kinda antagonist-ty...
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Wili posted:You know, paladins... All this letting the goblins sweat and bleed and die to overcome the many obstacles inherent in finding the treasure, only for you to seize it from them at the last minute... is kinda antagonist-ty... the current leadership of the Sapphire Guard isn't Lawful Stupid. edit: i know you're referencing Tarquin's (  ) plan for OOTS, but my point vis a vis Saphirre Guild stands
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jng2058 posted:Whiles that's certainly possible, and would be an interesting lead-in to Xykon getting back into the game, it seems kind of cheap. With the Cloister effect going on, there should be no way for Team X to know that the phylactery was found. I mean, I suppose they could have sent a runner ahead with the news, but there's no evidence of that in the strip. I agree, I think that this theft means that Xykon will give up on the search and just go for the gate without getting the phylactery back.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I agree, I think that this theft means that Xykon will give up on the search and just go for the gate without getting the phylactery back. Xykon is impulsive, not stupid.
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Pope Guilty posted:Xykon is impulsive, not stupid. Xykon also knows he;s not the only person looking for the gates anymore.
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Toussaint Louverture posted:Xykon also knows he;s not the only person looking for the gates anymore. I'm not sure he does know that. I mean, he can suspect that between Team Peregrine's activities and V's attack on him that the Elves are after his bony rear end, but that could just be in retaliation for Azure City, not because of the Gate situation. Likewise, he has no reason to believe that the Order of the Stick is still functional, considering that he killed Roy, and only Haley and Belkar were still part of the Resistance. Granted, he can suspect it. And if he doesn't, I'll bet you that Redcloak does. Still, it seems to me that we actually have the inverse of what was going on before the Battle of Azure City. Back then, the Bad Guys were organized and on the move, while the Good Guys were complacent in their belief that they knew what was going on. Now the situation is reversed. The Good Guys are moving and the Bad Guys are on the back foot....and they don't even know it. In short, never rule Azure City. It makes you drop your guard. 
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Pope Guilty posted:Can Xykon scry outside of Azure City? Is the Cloister one-way or two-way? He may be completely unaware of anything outside the City at all. Durokan was able to scry outside his fortress when he Xykon was besieging it. Also, he's not in Azure city atm.
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jng2058 posted:Whiles that's certainly possible, and would be an interesting lead-in to Xykon getting back into the game, it seems kind of cheap. With the Cloister effect going on, there should be no way for Team X to know that the phylactery was found. I mean, I suppose they could have sent a runner ahead with the news, but there's no evidence of that in the strip. Xykon was the updating the cloister and he hasn't been around Azure city in ages. We don't know how long it's been though.
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Alchenar posted:Xykon was the updating the cloister and he hasn't been around Azure city in ages. We don't know how long it's been though. EDIT: Actually, it's even longer than that. According to Tsukiko, Xykon renewed the Cloister every few weeks, so there's still months to go on that clock. Since the action's moving away from Azure City, I think we can safely say that the duration of the Cloister is "the rest of the story." jng2058 fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 4, 2012 |
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Maybe Redcloak tipped the resistance to 1) gently caress the hobbos and 2) gently caress Xykon.
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The Midniter posted:Maybe Redcloak tipped the resistance to 1) gently caress the hobbos and 2) gently caress Xykon. Nah, Redcloak's fine with Hobbos now. And doing it to slow down Xykon to give himself more time to set Gobbotopia up would make sense except that it would jeopardize The Plan, and he just got word from his god to "Don't screw this up." Screwing over the arcane caster he needs would go against that directive.
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I'm trying to construct a theory to explain why it's Tsukiko behind it, but I can't. So I'll just throw out that my gut feeling is that it's her.
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ZeeToo posted:I'm trying to construct a theory to explain why it's Tsukiko behind it, but I can't. She wants to set up Redcloak as incompetent and get more power with Xykon? Poor girl just doesn't know that it's better to be further away from Xykon, not closer to him.
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Alchenar posted:Reminder: It's been about 140 strips since we last saw the real villain Holy poo poo, this is the first time we've seen Xykon since 2009
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I'm getting a bad feeling that no matter what happens, the Resistance has outlived their narrative usefulness. Maybe the elves backstab them in order to retrieve the phylactery (the elves might want it as leverage against Xykon), or maybe there's a fight to retrieve it during which they're wiped out, but this whole scene with the phylactery seems like the payoff for the current status quo in Azure City which means the last use these Azurites have plot-wise is in dying.
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Regarding the Cloister: it was very specifically said that you could scry inside the Cloister's boundaries, so perhaps they have someone inside the city who can do that.
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MikeJF posted:Regarding the Cloister: it was very specifically said that you could scry inside the Cloister's boundaries, so perhaps they have someone inside the city who can do that. True, but they also have the best anti-detection spells they known on the phylactery so they can't use magic to find it. That's why they have to look for the phylactery by hand. Ergo, you can't scry on whomever's holding it or the people around it, so the very presence of the phylactery should render the strike team scry-proof.
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jng2058 posted:True, but they also have the best anti-detection spells they known on the phylactery so they can't use magic to find it. That's why they have to look for the phylactery by hand. Ergo, you can't scry on whomever's holding it or the people around it, so the very presence of the phylactery should render the strike team scry-proof. Scry everywhere. The spot you can't is where they are.
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builds character posted:Scry everywhere. The spot you can't is where they are. Interesting in theory, but that might be like trying to see your own blind spot.
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Speedball posted:Interesting in theory, but that might be like trying to see your own blind spot.
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Colon V posted:Stare at a slightly-painfully bright white/yellow wall? The Azure City becomes Gobbotopia, which then becomes the Slightly Painfully Bright White/Yellow City
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builds character posted:Scry everywhere. The spot you can't is where they are. As demonstrated by the Ob'enn
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jng2058 posted:Nah, Redcloak's fine with Hobbos now. And doing it to slow down Xykon to give himself more time to set Gobbotopia up would make sense except that it would jeopardize The Plan, and he just got word from his god to "Don't screw this up." Screwing over the arcane caster he needs would go against that directive. Tsu would be much easier for him to control than Xykon, and she could conceivably handle the arcane side of the ritual. Maybe he's planning a power grab?
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Cabbit posted:Tsu would be much easier for him to control than Xykon, and she could conceivably handle the arcane side of the ritual. Maybe he's planning a power grab? Maybe, but Tsukiko works for Xykon 'cause of the whole undead lust thing she's got going there. Redcloak's got no hold on her, and in fact they hate each other stemming from when Redcloak tried to kill her. Further, unlike Xykon, she's never shown any interest in ruling the world, so tempting her with the power to rule the world isn't going to work unless she thinks she can make the whole world undead...but since she also knows that Redcloak won't stand for that, there's even less common ground. In short, not only would I expect Tsu to fight to the death...or undeath...to protect Xykon, even if you found a way to take him out without also taking her out, she'd either go out of her way to try and kill Redcloak, or just teleport the hell on out and plot revenge. No, turning on Xykon now would involve starting over with a new arcane caster, and Redcloak doesn't have time for that, especially with The Dark One breathing down his neck.
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IMJack posted:As demonstrated by the Ob'enn Between the date of the comic, the writing, the concept, the art, and the context in which it was referenced, this is one of the most powerfully nerdy hyperlinks I've seen in ages, and I unironically salute you sir or madam.
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TremendousMajestic posted:Between the date of the comic, the writing, the concept, the art, and the context in which it was referenced, this is one of the most powerfully nerdy hyperlinks I've seen in ages, and I unironically salute you sir or madam. Schlock Mercenary fascinates me mostly because you watch a guy go from having the drawing skills of a twelve-year-old to actually having his own cohesive style.
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Ze Pollack posted:Schlock Mercenary fascinates me mostly because you watch a guy go from having the drawing skills of a twelve-year-old to actually having his own cohesive style. I liked Schlock Mercenary but eventually it hit up against the "END ALREADY" feeling I get that keeps me from enjoying many things.
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There's probably plenty of arcane casters in Gobbotopia, but as Start of Darkness shows us, Red Cloak sticks with Xykon for...other reasons...
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Ze Pollack posted:Schlock Mercenary fascinates me mostly because you watch a guy go from having the drawing skills of a twelve-year-old to actually having his own cohesive style. See also: Penny-Arcade.
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Another update: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0825.html Well, poo poo.
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Demons/devils and an... Osmium Elemental? Redcloak is picking up some style.
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