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Nilbop posted:Oh for goodness sake. That's true, however the LoTR movies were full of quite visceral violence, and I would be surprised if the Hobbit didn't have a similar level of blood and guts. Peter Jackson loves blood and guts.
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Also a lot of people watched Terminator and Robocop when they were kids. Heck, they marketed Robocop toys for children.
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Mu Zeta posted:Also a lot of people watched Terminator and Robocop when they were kids. Heck, they marketed Robocop toys for children. How is this relevant? I'm not saying it's good or bad, but the violence of the LoTR movies is one of the more obvious differences from the books and is worthy of discussion.
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Nilbop posted:Oh for goodness sake. Thank you! Kids these days need to see fantastical stuff like this -- we're coddling the gently caress out of children these days.
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Nilbop posted:Oh for goodness sake. And look how normal Germanic tribes' children turned out.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:The Hobbit was very violent for a children's story considering you have the violent decapitation of the goblin king, wolves and goblins being burned alive, Bilbo stabbing the poo poo out of an army of giant spiders, the Battle of the Goddamned Five Armies, not to mention Smaug razing an entire town to the ground, along with all the horrible burning deaths that would seemingly imply drat, I didn't know we were meant to be spoilering things. I'll edit my post.
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exquisite tea posted:It's not a particularly "realistic" sword fight (the actors stand way too close together) but it is a well-shot and compelling sequence that is illustrative of the entire movie's themes as a whole. It's nice that the actors actually show signs of fatigue and there's a sense of weight and proportion to actually swinging the sword, unlike 99% of what we see where people just flail them around effortlessly. Swordplay is interesting enough on its own without the director inserting 100 spastic cuts everywhere. This is interesting, what are some examples of films with really realistic sword fighting?
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ToastyPotato posted:This is interesting, what are some examples of films with really realistic sword fighting? Would Macbeth be one?
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ToastyPotato posted:This is interesting, what are some examples of films with really realistic sword fighting? I don't know much about sword fighting, but I imagine that the duel from Seven Samurai is pretty realistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXhHOEWZfA
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Supreme Allah posted:Then he was awesome. The Man in Black vs Inigo Montoya on the Cliffs of Insanity is the best fight. And the fights develop the characters instead of just being focused completely on fancy choreography.
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what's loving awesome is this: i type "annatar" into wikipedia and the article on sauron pops up. that is so cool. i might have missed this part in the thread, but gently caress we're going to have dol guldur and its necromancer in this movie, are we not?
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Twat McTwatterson posted:what's loving awesome is this: i type "annatar" into wikipedia and the article on sauron pops up. that is so cool. For those who want to know is yes and the Necromancer is played by Sherlock who also voiced Smaug
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awesome. dol goldur is the reason that the 5 istari are sent to middle-earth in the first place. they are there to investigate. you've got gandalf, radagast, saruman... and the two others? i think tolkien names them and mentions that they go into the southeast, into harad and rhur. is there any other information known on the other two wizards? i forget their original colors, too. blue and something?
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Twat McTwatterson posted:awesome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wizards Alatar and Pallando are their names. They are both Blue Wizards. (Awkwaard!) I doubt they will appear in The Hobbit because they were sent to do their wizardy stuff in the East, as you say.
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So pumped to see Dol Guldur, the Necromancer and (I think this is in) his eviction from the place. And I'm frankly glad the BBC Sherlock guy is only voice acting, cause I think he looks funny, but he's got a great voice. Looking forward to see his take on the roles. And lol at Watson being Bilbo. Yeah, I remember those two wizards worked in the East, but they might make an appearance when Gandalf convenes the wizard council to discuss the Necromancer threat. It would be cool to see them all together, and to actually hear the word Istari and perhaps get a bit of explanation on what the wizards are (for the non-Tolkienites).
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Alas, the Blue Wizards weren't members of the White Council. However, Wikipedia says Glorfindel may have been a member so here's hoping he makes an appearance after his absence in Fellowship of the Ring.
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Indeed. The White Council is basically a who's-who of the most powerful (non-evil) beings in Middle-earth. As a veteran of The Battle of Unnumbered Tears, Glorfindel has been through the sorts of ridiculously epic poo poo that would make the War of the Ring look like a playground scuffle. He's so hardcore, he was even killing Balrogs (and getting killed by them and subsequently resurrected) way before Gandalf made it mainstream. I too was gutted when he was left out of the films, but the non-spergy part of my brain sees the logic in replacing him with Arwen. I really hope we actually get to see these types of people going apeshit on Dol Guldur because we didn't really get to see that sort of stuff in the LotR films (the Guinness horses and Galadriel's radioactive spazz-out was about as close as it got).
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bobkatt013 posted:For those who want to know is yes and the Necromancer is played by Sherlock who also voiced Smaug I have no idea what that means. Edit: Googled around. Is he a good actor? Iacen fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 4, 2012 |
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Iacen posted:I have no idea what that means. All I know him from is BBC's Sherlock, and by god he's brilliant in that.
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Iacen posted:I have no idea what that means. Ian McKellan saw his screentest for Smaug and was absolutely blown away by it. Ian McKellan was blown away, that's how good he is. He's so good that the film-makers decided that they only needed to cast one person to play both of the most iconic villains in Tolkien's legendarium. And yes, watch Sherlock. Now. It's pretty much the best thing. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 4, 2012 |
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ToastyPotato posted:This is interesting, what are some examples of films with really realistic sword fighting? I don't know if there are any, really. I suppose the Seven Samurai example is a good one because the combatants keep their distance and don't spend a long time engaging, making just a few calculated strikes. It's common sense: if you're in a swordfight, you want to keep the maximum space your weapon will allow. You're not going to be standing toe to toe with your opponent because it's dangerous as hell to stay near a bladed weapon for that long. Another thing you don't see too often in scripted sword fights is the use of hands. Your non-weapon carrying hand is almost as useful a weapon as the sword itself, and can be used to disarm, to block the opponent's arm motion, to grab, and to strike. Rob Roy does convey the weight and effort of swinging the blade at least, but that's another thing that movies don't have for the sake of entertainment. You watch LOTR and the main characters seem to never tire of beating down the bad guys. Understand that I'm not saying films should adhere to how an actual swordfight would play out, because nobody has seen one for hundreds of years and certain liberties must be taken. Obviously it would not be as thrilling to have two duelists standing far apart, lunging in for a few strikes and then carefully backing away. But those thrilling choreographed fights in film would be rather unpractical (and unsafe!) in reality.
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Hedrigall posted:All I know him from is BBC's Sherlock, and by god he's brilliant in that. He was great in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy too. He's just generally excellent.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:
I've seen one episode and didn't like it. Not the actors (though I can't for the life of me even remember how that guy talked, behaved or acted) but the setting, I think. Something just prompted me to turn off the television. But hell, if the guy is so good as you say, I'll try to borrow Sherlock from someone.
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Twilight Samurai has a pretty drat realistic feeling swordfight at the end.
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I love in the books when they suggest adding Glorfindel to the Fellowship and Gandalf (loving GANDALF!) pretty much says,"Are you kidding me? Put Glorfindel on the team and Sauron is going to make a loving beeline right for us because he'll know something HUGE is going on."
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Indeed. The White Council is basically a who's-who of the most powerful (non-evil) beings in Middle-earth. As a veteran of The Battle of Unnumbered Tears, Glorfindel has been through the sorts of ridiculously epic poo poo that would make the War of the Ring look like a playground scuffle. He's so hardcore, he was even killing Balrogs (and getting killed by them and subsequently resurrected) way before Gandalf made it mainstream. Was Glorfindel's resurrection and return to Middle Earth an established fact or something Tolkien was mulling around in his head to maybe explain why he used the same name twice?
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FrensaGeran posted:Was Glorfindel's resurrection and return to Middle Earth an established fact or something Tolkien was mulling around in his head to maybe explain why he used the same name twice? Wiki says it was one of the last things he wrote about.
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I just love Glorfindel's name. I think it's the "glorf" in there. Glorf glorf glorf. You never get to say that normally. And if anyone's interested in how Benedict Cumberbatch (another sinfully delicious name!) will sound on the big screen, here's him reading Jabberwocky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsekSA34j7s
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The voice of Smaug in the animated film appropriately sounded like a heavy-set bearded axe warrior, Cumberbatch sounds more like a Vincent Price evil wizard there. Perfect for the Necromancer, but I dunno about Smaug. Who knows, maybe he can do "heavy" too but that's not what I'm hearing in that sample.
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Nilbop posted:I just love Glorfindel's name. I think it's the "glorf" in there. Glorf glorf glorf. You never get to say that normally. Wow. Close you eyes and imagine it's a smug dragon talking. He's perfect. Kemchimikemkem posted:Not more graphic violence. More believable violence. Don't confuse the two. LOTR already has decapitations, orc's with blades coming through their chests, and the gore wouldn't have to top that. Just no more of the damned arm-pit stabs. And a bit more blood spray, just a little. Actually, I'd like more arm-pit stabs and less sword cleaving gratuitously through butter armor. Chainmail and plate armor stop blades. All the time. You literally can't slash through them and you can't stab through them (debatable for butted chainmail, which is historically not used). Super.Jesus fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Jan 5, 2012 |
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Steve Yun posted:The voice of Smaug in the animated film appropriately sounded like a heavy-set bearded axe warrior, Cumberbatch sounds more like a Vincent Price evil wizard there. Perfect for the Necromancer, but I dunno about Smaug. Who knows, maybe he can do "heavy" too but that's not what I'm hearing in that sample. I disagree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlR_UEs4q9g This is crap. In fact I intensely disliked every voice Rankin Bass vomited into our ears, but this one in particular bugged me. Smaug is not a drill boss from the American midwest. I don't know what I expected him to sound like, but this isn't it.
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FrensaGeran posted:Was Glorfindel's resurrection and return to Middle Earth an established fact or something Tolkien was mulling around in his head to maybe explain why he used the same name twice? Just something he came up with later to explain why he messed up. Whatever the 'truth', I like the idea that the Glorfindel we meet in LotR is the same badass who was around in the First Age.
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Nilbop posted:And if anyone's interested in how Benedict Cumberbatch (another sinfully delicious name!) will sound on the big screen, here's him reading Jabberwocky. This is going to be the coolest thing ever
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FrensaGeran posted:Was Glorfindel's resurrection and return to Middle Earth an established fact or something Tolkien was mulling around in his head to maybe explain why he used the same name twice? It's because Glorfindel is so goddamn powerful, that even when Tolkien killed him off in the First Age, the Glorfmeister transcended the medium of fiction and possessed Tolkien to include him chilling in Rivendell when he wrote LotR. One morning, many years after the publication of LotR, Tolkien suddenly realised what had happened, and once he'd finished sharting his pantaloons, proceeded to frantically "discover" a story about how The Glorf was resurrected after his epic death and explaining why he was still at large in LotR. Jerusalem posted:I love in the books when they suggest adding Glorfindel to the Fellowship and Gandalf (loving GANDALF!) pretty much says,"Are you kidding me? Put Glorfindel on the team and Sauron is going to make a loving beeline right for us because he'll know something HUGE is going on." Haha, I remember that. In fact, that reminds me of this bit (I'm just gonna lazily copy from the Tolkien wiki): "Elrond had chosen him partially because Glorfindel did not fear the Ringwraiths, as he had great presence in both the Seen and Unseen worlds. While on his perilous mission the Ringwraiths avoided him; he met five of them, and they fled at his presence." Dude just strolls through the Wraith-world and is all like "'sup, wraith-dudes". Glorfindel would basically have been a cheat code for the Fellowship, but as Gandalf said, Sauron would see that bullshit coming and would not be amused. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jan 5, 2012 |
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Hedrigall posted:All I know him from is BBC's Sherlock, and by god he's brilliant in that. The second season just started if anyone wants to check it out. He's doing a great job of playing Sherlock as having been more "humanized" by his friendship with Watson. For a man who places little stock in emotions, Cumberbatch's Sherlock hits some genuine ones at various points in the first episode.
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I made a cool Glorfindel wallpaper for your computer desktops, I hope you Glorfindel fans will love it.
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TheBuilder posted:I made a cool Glorfindel wallpaper for your computer desktops, I hope you Glorfindel fans will love it. All I can think of is V for Vendetta  and is your desktop really 1024x768?!
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He's going for that vintage 2002 feel.
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Red Robin Hood posted:All I can think of is V for Vendetta The desktop I'm on now is. I never left 2002.
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Octy posted:The desktop I'm on now is. I never left 2002. How do you do it? 
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