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AASman posted:Could you explain? I can't think of any connection. I think he's meaning in that Sun in the Sideways couldn't speak English either, so her sudden physical trauma caused a cross-over/connection from "the other universe" as everyone was interpreting the Sideways to be, thus strengthening those people's belief that the two "universes" were going to in some kind of crazy way collide/mesh/whatever, which was in fact no where near the truth.
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:On point though... so uh, what was up with zombie Sayid? He's back from the grave? And he's evil? Or not evil? And then remembers who he is or what? Season 6 is so disappointing. They kept introducing these neat concepts and then smashing their toys or forgetting about them. Like a lot of things about the island, they are magical but they do not really change you. The temple people were convinced the well wouldve made Sayid evil and because of his own life, he started believing it but ultimately the choice to be good or bad was his.
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Just finished it. Took me a year. I have a pretty good grasp on everything they presented. This thread was a pretty good read to add some more ideas to my brain. My main reason for this post was, though, was to say that ALL of the early scenes involving Ethan (before you see him as a dorkwad-friendly-doctor-guy) chilled me straight to the bone. All you kept hearing about was the others, and how sadistic and evil they must be, and there's one of him RIGHT THERE OGMFGF. Oh man, I'm getting chills just thinking about it.
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Lamb of Gun posted:Just finished it. Took me a year. The others were so much more creepy before you knew they had a book club. 
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Dec 21, 2011 17:44
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Lamb of Gun posted:My main reason for this post was, though, was to say that ALL of the early scenes involving Ethan (before you see him as a dorkwad-friendly-doctor-guy) chilled me straight to the bone. All you kept hearing about was the others, and how sadistic and evil they must be, and there's one of him RIGHT THERE OGMFGF. Oh man, I'm getting chills just thinking about it. The best thing back in 2004 was people thought he was from some superhuman tribe because of how badly Jack got his rear end kicked. Hanging Charlie up, etc. The sense of not knowing what or who Ethan was, that was brilliant.
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Hardflip posted:The best thing back in 2004 was people thought he was from some superhuman tribe because of how badly Jack got his rear end kicked. Hanging Charlie up, etc. The sense of not knowing what or who Ethan was, that was brilliant. I swore up and down to everyone I knew that he was a robot. STOP FOLLOWING ME.
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Hardflip posted:The best thing back in 2004 was people thought he was from some superhuman tribe because of how badly Jack got his rear end kicked. Hanging Charlie up, etc. The sense of not knowing what or who Ethan was, that was brilliant. Didn't the survivors also found one person (Scott or sth, his name was part of an ongoing inside joke), with "every single bone in his body" broken? I also found it funny that with each season finale, there were always a bunch of people predicting an upcomming full on war with the others next season.
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Hardflip posted:The best thing back in 2004 was people thought he was from some superhuman tribe because of how badly Jack got his rear end kicked. Hanging Charlie up, etc. The sense of not knowing what or who Ethan was, that was brilliant. Haha, I thought this too when I powered through the series late last year. I was ready for an island full of abandoned supermen or something.
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Lamb of Gun posted:Just finished it. Took me a year. the show nailed this above all things I think. It created a sense of unease and worry about the others while wrapping them in this mystery that, I think, turned out fine but could have been much more science-fictiony it really pays off with the season 1 finale too. "We need the boy." then that ringing key. Sent chills through me when I first watched it, still does.
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Lamb of Gun posted:Just finished it. Took me a year. I just got reminded of the scene where some of the crash survivors are walking through the jungle, then hear footsteps and hide, then catch a glimpse of... the Others walking barefoot, with a kid dragging behind him a teddy bear strung up on a leash...  Those were the days.... that was some scary poo poo!
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Use Less posted:I just got reminded of the scene where some of the crash survivors are walking through the jungle, then hear footsteps and hide, then catch a glimpse of... the Others walking barefoot, with a kid dragging behind him a teddy bear strung up on a leash... Yeah and by season 6 the Others were so lovely they went from being ghosts in the woods to some bumbling group of assholes that gets stomped on by a mercenary team that had never been to the island.
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"Mr. Widmore, who should we send to the island? PMCs? Former Navy Seals?" "Nah, let's send a fat character actor and a women who looks like a trashy Tina Fey. They won't get totally killed by the evil force bent on destroying the world."
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REY DE LA PLAYA posted:"Mr. Widmore, who should we send to the island? PMCs? Former Navy Seals?" Yeah, as much as I defend a lot of what Lost has done, I didn't really understand the motivation behind that. It was like they intentionally had the least threatening people invade the island in the last episodes.
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I figured that the henchmen in season 6 were all that Widmore had left after losing most of his a-team in season 4.
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microwave casserole posted:I figured that the henchmen in season 6 were all that Widmore had left after losing most of his a-team in season 4. The good things about mercenaries is you can always hire more. What bugs me though, is how come the smoke monster didn't kill the entire merc team? Why did it let most of them survive?
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microwave casserole posted:I figured that the henchmen in season 6 were all that Widmore had left after losing most of his a-team in season 4. Ohhhhhhh. Yeah, I guess that works.
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I introduced the show to my girlfriend a few weeks ago, and she loves it. We're already on season 5, and this makes it my third time through. I also just got the blu ray mega boxset for Christmas (this thing is so friggin cool). I never watched the show on DVD, so I've never seen any special features, of any kind, except for The New Man in Charge. I don't know when or if I'll ever get around to checking out each deleted scene and featurette. But for right now, what are the best special features I should jump right to? I found the hidden disc, and I know that has a lot of goodies though I haven't put it in yet. But beyond that, are there any must-see deleted scenes, or any stand out featurettes from each seasons' bonus discs?
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Dec 24, 2011 11:38
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There are a collection of webisodes that were released during season... 3, I think? Every season has a series of "Lost on Location" production diaries that are pretty great. The bloopers are always entertaining.
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Just chiming in to say I'm near the end of season 1 for my rewatch, and man the first season was so tense/mysterious. I can't describe how much I love this show
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shagster104 posted:Just chiming in to say I'm near the end of season 1 for my rewatch, and man the first season was so tense/mysterious. I can't describe how much I love this show The intensity of that season, especially toward the end with the hatch being opened, was ruined by the first few episodes of season two, I thought. They spent way too much time being in the hatch. That didn't really seem intense to me, it was frustrating. I love Desmond, he's is in my top 3 characters of the show, but those episodes right there represented the beginning of the sometimes lackluster writing that the show had.
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The Rover posted:The intensity of that season, especially toward the end with the hatch being opened, was ruined by the first few episodes of season two, I thought. They spent way too much time being in the hatch. That didn't really seem intense to me, it was frustrating. I love Desmond, he's is in my top 3 characters of the show, but those episodes right there represented the beginning of the sometimes lackluster writing that the show had. I remember watching those episodes back in 2005. They were very well written, but blue balled the audience because it took 3 episodes to explain what was going on in the hatch and what happened to the raft.
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shagster104 posted:Just chiming in to say I'm near the end of season 1 for my rewatch, and man the first season was so tense/mysterious. I can't describe how much I love this show I understand that a lot of people like picking apart the mythology of the later seasons and find it fulfilling as a metaphor for gnosticism or whatever, but season 1 is my favorite precisely because it isn't bogged down with years of canon and mythology and time travel rules but instead is just about the characters and being tense and weird. The ending of the last episode of season 1, where you have the slow dreamy montage of how at the beginning of the season they were just strangers in an airport and they've grown to know and depend on each other and then the slow piano music gets all sharp and ominous as it cuts to everyone stumbling through the dust and seeing that the hatch is open, is easily my favorite sequence in the entire show. I still get goosebumps when the soundtrack transitions to grating metal sounds in the last few seconds as it vanishes down the hatch.
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Hardflip posted:I remember watching those episodes back in 2005. They were very well written, but blue balled the audience because it took 3 episodes to explain what was going on in the hatch and what happened to the raft. And there was the problem. Watching live just killed the pacing of the front half of season 2. The first two episodes should have been a 2 hour premiere with the events edited together no doubt about it. Watching live you end up seeing the same confrontation between Jack and Desmond with Locke in the middle from a million different angles and replayed too many times. Along with the "previously ons" also rehashing that scene also it became obnoxious and kind of took the punch out of the scene when they should have been trying to keep the tension up.
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DeseretRain posted:I didn't watch this show until it was already over, and then I just marathoned the whole thing over the course of 5 days. I was really, really disappointed, and surprised that the show got this much hype. I mean, I can say it was a "good" show in the sense that it kept me watching- practically every episode felt like a cliffhanger and I just had to find out what happened. Except a lot of times, what happened was essentially: nothing. So many of the plot lines- and I don't just mean the mysteries, but also important character-driven story lines- were either randomly jettisoned with no resolution or explanation, or got an illogical resolution that made no sense in comparison to what had gone on before. Sometimes they'd drop a storyline and spend a lot of time pretending it never happened, and then later they'd bring it back up and basically ret-con it with a totally nonsensical conclusion. The mysteries and character story lines kept me watching, but so many of those got either a ridiculous, half-assed resolution or no resolution at all, and that just left me irritated at the whole show. Haven't checked this thread in a while, but I wanted to chime in on this. I've found that most people who didn't watch the show live, tend to not enjoy it as much as the people who spent countless hours thinking about the show in between episodes and seasons. Lost was so much better because of the interaction that I had in the threads, talking with my friends, reading crazy theories etc. There hasn't been a single show since that has invoked that much thoughtful (and a lot of crazy rear end) discussion about theories based on religion, novels, scientific articles etc. I stand by this; Lost is one of the few shows that will always be more enjoyable when you take more time to watch it, especially if you have someone else to discuss it with. That's probably why I have yet to do a re watch of the series. It's not that I don't love the show, it's that I probably won't enjoy it as much without having all those discussions that took place from week to week. The discussions are what I miss most about the show.
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Lost threads and watching live with #lost was one of the best parts of the show. If any of you have archives you should go back and re-read the season 1 threads, or even just the pilot thread. The theories people were throwing out there are hilarious.
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HanabaL03 posted:Haven't checked this thread in a while, but I wanted to chime in on this. I've found that most people who didn't watch the show live, tend to not enjoy it as much as the people who spent countless hours thinking about the show in between episodes and seasons. Lost was so much better because of the interaction that I had in the threads, talking with my friends, reading crazy theories etc. There hasn't been a single show since that has invoked that much thoughtful (and a lot of crazy rear end) discussion about theories based on religion, novels, scientific articles etc. I stand by this; Lost is one of the few shows that will always be more enjoyable when you take more time to watch it, especially if you have someone else to discuss it with. While I kind of agree with this (Those in-between season waits and speculation), it can also help when it comes to the slower parts of the show. Season 3 in particular benefits from being able to watch it quickly (Well the first half does anyway, the second half kicks into high gear and is pretty great). There's a writer on Chud.com who did a rewatch of the whole show and who discussed the meanings in each episode, explained the references and how sub-textually Lindelof and Cuse were clearly thinking of these things - and in that regard it's made me appreciate the show a whole lot more. Those things can be dismissed if you want to, but it's worth thinking about since it's there and clearly intentional. If anyone was interested in reading it then they should. The link below starts with episode 1, but Season 1 isn't all that deep on anything except character. It doesn't really pick up until the end. http://losttherewatch.blogspot.com/2009/08/season-one-episodes-1-4.html
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:Season 5 will always be my favorite for being the boldest with both answers and storytelling that gives no gently caress. They just went with it and it was interesting as could be. That's probably why I loathe 6 as much as I do, in 5 (starting with 4) we got these great revelations and full admiration of the shows sci-fi backgroud. Instead of pushing forward it feels like they went backwards with a lot of empty plots and the "characters, its all about the characters" crap in order to justify their twist ending. Completely agree with this. Like Babylon 5 ended for me with Season 4, Lost ended for me with Season 5. That last scene with the nuke, then fade to white ended the series for me way better than the actual finale did. Did they change history? Was any of it real? It's all left to interpretation but provides enough closure to be satisfying. Season 6 is just a nice bonus "What if" story-line to me. I was talking to a few friends about the finale, and it's surprising how many people interpret it as the island being purgatory. I argued with them, trying to convince them the island was real, and the flash sideways was the purgatory, but found myself unable to convince them. They brought up the argument about the smoke monster being the judicator and how everyone on the island was being "judged", and I brought up the fact that it was stated by Christian that everything on the island was real, etc. same old arguments. Long story short, the main problem I had with convincing them was the fact that main island plot was left as a mystery all the way up to the end. You never know what the island really is, except that weird poo poo happens there. Most people can't accept that and would rather put their own meaning to it and purgatory just seems like the most reasonable conclusion rather than just accept that  .
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But...it wasn't a mystery. That's why it sucked so hard. They laid it out, in all of its lazy glory. Sticking by the claims that they had made for years that the losties were not dead, they decided to create the flash-sideways and go 'haha now they're dead. trollface.' I like your idea of just pretending season five was the end. What always bugged me, though, was that it would've been so damned easy to wrap the show up without their purgatory crap. The theory I stuck by for all of the sixth season was that the nuke had created a divergent reality (okay, easy for Lost). The island wasn't there, yet they were all inexplicably linked. Honestly, I still think that was the original plan- then they realized that to make the two realities fully converge and unbreak the universe, they would actually have to put some thought into it. But nope. Magic light hole and they're dead. gently caress you, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, I hope your families get cancer. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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People who didn't like the ending of this show are wishing death on other people, that's bananas.
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epheneh posted:But...it wasn't a mystery. That's why it sucked so hard. They laid it out, in all of its lazy glory. Sticking by the claims that they had made for years that the losties were not dead, they decided to create the flash-sideways and go 'haha now they're dead. trollface.' They didn't really explain what the island was though. Yes they revealed that it was some sort of cork keeping evil out, but that only raised more questions than it answered. The purgatory answer, though not what the writers intended, makes more sense to most people. For example, why are spirits who are not ready to "move on" trapped on the island. This is never explained. If you assume that the island is part of the afterlife, it does have a rudimentary explanation. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 14, 2012 |
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Gianthogweed posted:They didn't really explain what the island was though. Yes they revealed that it was some sort of cork keeping evil out, but that only raised more questions than it answered. The purgatory answer, though not what the writers intended, makes more sense to most people. I always felt it was obvious they wouldn't explain what the island was. They were always using character/institution interpretations of what was going on, from the Losties, Others, Dharma and even Egyptians, but there was never going to be deus ex machina. Saying "oh this island is a UFO" or "God put it here" would've been pretty poor. I liked The Mother's interpretation best - it's the source of life and death. A gateway.
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Use Less posted:I just got reminded of the scene where some of the crash survivors are walking through the jungle, then hear footsteps and hide, then catch a glimpse of... the Others walking barefoot, with a kid dragging behind him a teddy bear strung up on a leash... I never really got how they went from that to the suburban families that were living in comfort. They make this big thing about how they never leave any tracks and we finally get this one creepy look at them. Then later on they're completely different. I spent a lot of time waiting for the "other" others that lived in the jungle to show up. As for the ending I was disappointed because I was hoping for actual explanations for most of the stuff. A lot of earlier mysteries like the polar bear, the shark and the hatch all had logical but interesting reasons for existing. Once we saw all the DHARMA stuff I was expecting mainly logical science fictiony things. (I was convinced the smoke monster was going to turn out to be a robot, what with all the mechanical clanking noises it was always making) It's a shame so much stuff was explained with "magic of some sort I guess." When it was clear there was no way to get a coherent ending, I was hoping they'd at least go with something so strange and out there that it would be worth it anyway. I kind of had this sneaking suspicion that the ending would be an "It was all a dream" despite everything the writers said to the contrary. It would have been the greatest troll in television history.
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I still thing it's a qualifying contestant for Top Troll. I mean, the whole island was apparently there to protect a hole in the ground that turned people into smoke monsters. What the eff? And Jacob is King Troll, having no real purpose for having brought ANYONE there. I thought the others thing was explained- they walked around barefoot and in rags just to gently caress with the losties. If they showed them in nice clean casual clothes, it would've given people more incentive to go looking for their hideout.
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All the mysteries of LOST became unexplainable the moment the island travelled through time in the Season 4 finale. We just didn't know it until the series finally ended. Prior to the island vanishing and the time travel the answers to all the mysteries could have remained grounded in some sort of "reality."
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I give all the wishy washy things a pass just for the season three finale. When Jack yells we need to go back, your mind explodes.
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Desmond posted:They are filming Alcatraz across the street from where I work and I like totally just saw Hurley dudes. How do you work across the street from Alcatraz? Is he still fat? I was always waiting for him to pull a Drew Carey after Lost.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:All the mysteries of LOST became unexplainable the moment the island travelled through time in the Season 4 finale. We just didn't know it until the series finally ended. Prior to the island vanishing and the time travel the answers to all the mysteries could have remained grounded in some sort of "reality."
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