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BisonDollah posted:Kill List owns and if you disagree I hate you. Well, I hate you more! No, I liked it, but the ending just didn't jive with me. It's like it's from a different movie. The imagery doesn't line up as well as in, say, The Wicker Man, where it flows directly from the central axis of the movie: Christian/Pagan, State/Feudal, knowledge, power, etc. in progress or modernity/the unscathed chaos of Nature still lurking. Kill List seemed like it was building up an interesting picture of PTSD wreaking havoc on a veteran's family, and then...the hell? I mean, it's cool, but it doesn't really make sense with the themes of the movie. Yes, the murderous act itself does, but the specifically pagan/cult framing doesn't seem to follow from anything crucial to the themes of the movie. I can see where the scene might be speaking towards societal complicity, but there had to be a more cohesive way to convey that. I'm playing it safe with the spoiler tags, cause this is the kind of movie they were invented for.
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Aorist posted:Well, I hate you more! No, I liked it, but the ending just didn't jive with me. It's like it's from a different movie. The imagery doesn't line up as well as in, say, The Wicker Man, where it flows directly from the central axis of the movie: Christian/Pagan, State/Feudal, knowledge, power, etc. in progress or modernity/the unscathed chaos of Nature still lurking. Kill List seemed like it was building up an interesting picture of PTSD wreaking havoc on a veteran's family, and then...the hell? I mean, it's cool, but it doesn't really make sense with the themes of the movie. Yes, the murderous act itself does, but the specifically pagan/cult framing doesn't seem to follow from anything crucial to the themes of the movie. I can see where the scene might be speaking towards societal complicity, but there had to be a more cohesive way to convey that. I'm playing it safe with the spoiler tags, cause this is the kind of movie they were invented for. A page or two page somebody posted a pretty good interpretation of the events and how the main guy was possibly being groomed the whole time. It was an interesting read and made a lot of sense, you should scroll back a bit for it. e: here you go mate Craig Spradlin posted:Okay, my (purely speculative) take: Robawesome fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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I'm a total sucker for found footage and documentary-style stuff, so I have to say: The first hour and fourteen minutes or so of The Devil Inside were actually all right. Not great, and nothing was particularly scary, but pretty solid stuff. Then that loving ending goes and ruins the whole goddamn experience. It's basically telling the audience, "Congratulations, you just spent nearly ten bucks (and more than an hour of your life) watching an advertisement." Lots of disappointed people walking out of the theater after that one.
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Robawesome posted:A page or two page somebody posted a pretty good interpretation of the events and how the main guy was possibly being groomed the whole time. It was an interesting read and made a lot of sense, you should scroll back a bit for it. Thanks, but it's not that I don't see the ending following logistically (the mirror carving wouldn't make sense otherwise), it's that it doesn't seem to follow thematically. The imagery is out of step with the kitchen sink drama, and the movie doesn't really do anything to tie them together. Which is surprising, as it pretty much hangs its hat on the ending.
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Aorist posted:Thanks, but it's not that I don't see the ending following logistically (the mirror carving wouldn't make sense otherwise), it's that it doesn't seem to follow thematically. The imagery is out of step with the kitchen sink drama, and the movie doesn't really do anything to tie them together. Which is surprising, as it pretty much hangs its hat on the ending. yeah, I do agree with that. Within the last couple scenes it felt like I was in a Resident Evil game all of a sudden or something. Though after having read the above-quoted synopsis of events it just felt like I wasn't paying enough attention to strange stuff going on around the normal hitman stuff. I guess I just don't think it had to be as obvious as showing those straw masks earlier on or something, the sum of events is enough of a transition in imagery to me I suppose. e: it's late, I'm tired and re-reading it I can't even discern that the above post makes sense, I do agree with you that it's a bizarre shift but looking back I'm kind of glad they shove you into it instead of hold your hand and guide you towards that direction in a slower fashion. Robawesome fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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BisonDollah posted:Kill List owns and if you disagree I hate you. It looks like it did but they don't look as much like The Gate ripoffs as the new movie. They look more like tiny little coneheads that wear clothes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC-7t5VLLN4&t=2m29s Also spoiler if you care because the scenes in that video are almost directly what's in the new one if I remember right. No big spoilers but I don't have any sound so I don't know whats being said.
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Aorist posted:Thanks, but it's not that I don't see the ending following logistically (the mirror carving wouldn't make sense otherwise), it's that it doesn't seem to follow thematically. The imagery is out of step with the kitchen sink drama, and the movie doesn't really do anything to tie them together. Which is surprising, as it pretty much hangs its hat on the ending. It's a morality tale about someone that gets caught cheating the class system. Jay & Gal are living the middle-class life of Riley without actually earning it, paying for it fairly. If I was in debt with credit cards or cheating benefits I'd probably feel a little more affinity and be way more disturbed about their plight. The cult represents the I really wish I had the skill to talk about British politics and their relevance in this movie, but I can't. Technetium posted:It looks like it did but they don't look as much like The Gate ripoffs as the new movie. They look more like tiny little coneheads that wear clothes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC-7t5VLLN4&t=2m29s Ah! The original looks pretty fun. If there's just one LOCKED DOOR in it I'll scream, though. The Hausu Usher fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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Jan 7, 2012 15:28
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wow The Devil Inside opens with a 17 million Friday at the boxoffice, thats one of the biggest first days in January in history.
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lomzus posted:wow The Devil Inside opens with a 17 million Friday at the boxoffice, thats one of the biggest first days in January in history. There's no way word of mouth of the ending doesn't bury this film.
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Toaster Beef posted:I'm a total sucker for found footage and documentary-style stuff, so I have to say: The first hour and fourteen minutes or so of The Devil Inside were actually all right. Not great, and nothing was particularly scary, but pretty solid stuff. Then that loving ending goes and ruins the whole goddamn experience. It's basically telling the audience, "Congratulations, you just spent nearly ten bucks (and more than an hour of your life) watching an advertisement." I've never actually heard an entire theater jeer a film until I went to The Devil Inside two days ago. Garbage.
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I will be SUPREMELY disappointed if The Devil Inside doesn't drop at least 75% next weekend. Come on, you got the rare CinemaScore of 'F'*, don't let us down Devil Inside, let's see how low you can go! (*For reference, a score of "B-" is usually considered pretty mediocre on this poll...)
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weekly font posted:There's no way word of mouth of the ending doesn't bury this film. Does it even matter, I'm sure 17 million will well cover the costs of the movie, I'm sure they are well into profit after opening day.
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Slasherfan posted:Does it even matter, I'm sure 17 million will well cover the costs of the movie, I'm sure they are well into profit after opening day. It cost 1 million.
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If the people who made it learn anything from the backlash the ending is going to receive, I would love to see another project. Like I said, everything that isn't the ending (with the exception of some serious pacing issues) was all right. It's just the ending did everything it could to ruin the film - and succeeded, apparently.
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lomzus posted:It cost 1 million. Yeah, but I've read they've spent at least $35m on publicity and advertising.
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If anyone was tempted to go to a Devil Inside screening just to see the audience reaction to being trolled, someone's done the work for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX41IJ8xHGY (I hope this isn't  )
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I actually really liked Kill List because of the way it treated this as a "normal" movie. I mean there was that undercurrent of something is not right at all and then "Holy poo poo". I kind of liked that it completely came out of left field to a degree with the ending. I'd say it's one of the better made low budget horror movies of last year.
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lizardman posted:If anyone was tempted to go to a Devil Inside screening just to see the audience reaction to being trolled, someone's done the work for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX41IJ8xHGY What a terrible theatre. edit: I screamed (in my head) when Isabella basically just sat there and told the audience hello I am also possessed at this moment lol right after the baptism scene. Literally the least subtle thing ever ever ever edit: The demon(s) inside mama Rossi called the thin priest a human being and launched him at the wall; he got up and literally said you mad moron izzard fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 9, 2012 |
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Rhyno posted:Everything, it's just so terrible. Why don't they just step on these little fuckers? Because they are all retards. When the monsters attack the one individual and leave him with slashes, knives, tools forks and god knows what sticking out of his body at every angle, they all assume he fell down the stairs.
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Robolizard! posted:What a terrible theatre. The showing I went to had a theater employee walk in beforehand and announce to all of us that the previous showing had been really unruly - shouting, throwing stuff, etc. - and if there were any problems with this showing, the police would be called. I kind of figured it had to do with the sort of area the theater is in (we're in Camden County, after all), but after actually seeing the film - and the way the crowd reacted at the ending - I have to wonder if maybe things went awry when they saw how they'd wasted the past hour and fifteen minutes.
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I think they should have released The Devil Inside on the same day world wide, this terrible word of mouth can't be good for it's worldwide grosses. It opens here in March.
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It's made millions and it's gonna make millions more, I'm sure. Regardless of word of mouth. (I hope to be proven wrong.)
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The ending is actually pretty rote for a 'found footage' film. It ends abruptly, as they all do. If the title card didn't come up afterward it would just be met with indifference. The problem is the title card makes it sound like there's some website that has the rest of the film available to watch. Of course it doesn't, it's just a crappy site drummed up by the marketing team. It's hard to get that worked up about the ending really. The Director gave an interview and said that it was a marketing decision, not really one they agreed with but it was one NOT made by the film makers.
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My wife saw The Devil Inside with some friends last night (despite my intentionally vague warnings that they might not like it). They thought it had some good scares, their main complaint was that it was short.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dgZLZ7LbhLU Trailer for Tobe Hooper's Djinn. It looks awful.
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Juanito posted:My wife saw The Devil Inside with some friends last night (despite my intentionally vague warnings that they might not like it). They thought it had some good scares, their main complaint was that it was short. The thing is this movie doesn't even have any good scares. The best scare in the movie Isabella and the priests are walking down a sidewalk and a dog pokes it's head out and barks once From that point on it's just a door closing during an interviewnot to mention the mandatory person rushes the camera that you can see coming from 10 minutes away. Fake edit: I debated putting spoilers. If you're into jump scares don't read the spoilers.
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foodfight posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dgZLZ7LbhLU Looks like a crappy Rosemary's Baby remake.
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Topper Harley posted:Looks like a crappy Rosemary's Baby remake. You're not kidding. Orientalist Rosemary's Baby at that. He's usually better than that, maybe it's just really scary?
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The premise and setting, as far as I can tell from that trailer, look pretty interesting. It's like they've taken the trapped in a haunted house cliche and turned into being trapped under layers of continents, culture, clothing and religion. On the other hand those are not the production values you'd hope for from a director with 40+ years experience.
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frozenpeas posted:On the other hand those are not the production values you'd hope for from a director with 40+ years experience. What is up with that? Carpenter also has this problem. Do they just forget how to make a movie look good or to hire the right personnel? Do they get their budgets slashed? Does 80s movie making not translate well to present time? Look at Cronenberg, dude makes beautiful and fantastic movies. He really grew as time went on.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:What is up with that? Carpenter also has this problem. Do they just forget how to make a movie look good or to hire the right personnel? Do they get their budgets slashed? Does 80s movie making not translate well to present time? How the gently caress do you go from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr7_v_CRZxg To this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x08fCOAvU0U
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Hedenius posted:Not to mention Dario Argento. Don't forget about this upcoming masterpiece.
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Also Wes Craven, George Romero and John McNaughton. Classic horror directors have never had a tendency to age gracefully.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Also Wes Craven, George Romero and John McNaughton. Classic horror directors have never had a tendency to age gracefully. I mentioned Carpenter and knew I was forgetting a whole slew of other obvious examples. Yeah these all suck too.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Also Wes Craven, George Romero and John McNaughton. Classic horror directors have never had a tendency to age gracefully. Wes Craven has never been particularly talented, just very goddamn lucky that his ideas tend to hit at the right time. Now he's even trying to relive some of his past hits either through producing remakes (except Nightmare) or just trying to ape previous films for new stuff (that last movie he did that was pretty much Freddy Kruger without finger-knives)
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Tobe Hooper can't get funding to make movies in the US anymore. I'm also not sure if age is really involved in his downfall so much as he wasn't that great to start with. Same with George Romero, really. I love some of their stuff but it's not the same level as watching Carpenter and Argento slide into horribleness. At least for me.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Wes Craven has never been particularly talented, just very goddamn lucky that his ideas tend to hit at the right time. Yeah we're just gonna have to really seriously agree to disagree on this one.
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I actually haven't seen much of Romero (only Dawn I think). What should I watch of his (besides the original Dead trilogy)? I'm actually kindof intrigued by his original plan for Day of the Dead. And yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree about Wes Craven.
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foodfight posted:I actually haven't seen much of Romero (only Dawn I think). What should I watch of his (besides the original Dead trilogy)? I'm actually kindof intrigued by his original plan for Day of the Dead. Martin. Watch Martin right away. Then watch Creepshow. And, of course, the Dead trilogy (Dawn is probably the best all-around movie, but Night is inarguably the scariest movie he ever directed, and Day contains the most intense drama). The rest of his stuff... eh. I hear the Crazies is very good but I somehow haven't gotten around to it yet. I actually really liked Land of the Dead, but I'm in the minority on that one.
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