|
To the lad who left the bike unlocked, chucking your chain on only take 30secs/1min, it's worth doing even for jumping in a shop for 2mins (if it's out of line of sight). Alarmed disc-lock is ideal for that kind of situation too. Anyone else here got an Almax? I went for the series IV (19mm, 1.5m), and actually carry it on the bike the whole time.
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2012 23:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:21 |
|
|
Pretty sure the property owner has to call the cops though. Assuming it's not city property or something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2012 23:56
|
|
|
_Dav posted:Anyone else here got an Almax? I went for the series IV (19mm, 1.5m), and actually carry it on the bike the whole time. Where on the bike do you store it? Or do you wear it like a messenger bag? Looks heavy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 00:25
|
|
|
_Dav posted:To the lad who left the bike unlocked, chucking your chain on only take 30secs/1min, it's worth doing even for jumping in a shop for 2mins (if it's out of line of sight). Alarmed disc-lock is ideal for that kind of situation too. it takes less than that to cut it. If it exits, there's a tool out there to destroy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCaDcmicXE I have an alarmed disc lock and I stopped using it because it would go off on its own with no provocation, and that's worse than not going off at all. And besides, nobody pays any heed to alarms. I figure someone's more likely to push it over to give it a reason for the racket its making than to investigate. If it's something worth stealing, keep it somewhere thieves won't see it/risk it. The best deterrent is having something not really worth stealing. Pega-what? Who cares, where the gixxers at?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 01:19
|
|
|
Linedance posted:it takes less than that to cut it. If it exits, there's a tool out there to destroy it. That's depressing, its almost silent. at least someone with a battery angle grinder would draw attention to the thief
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 02:40
|
|
|
AncientTV posted:The process is pretty drawn out. The police pick it up (if they determine it to be parked illegally, which it is) and hold it while they try and contact the owner. I believe they also give you the contact information so you can attempt to get a hold of them. You're also required to post ads in a widely-circulated newspaper of the city the vehicle was parked in. After 90 days, if you can prove that you've been trying to locate the owner, they'll title it in your name after you pay the storage fees and any tickets it has accumulated. Isnt part of that process that you be the owner of the land that it was abandoned on?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 02:55
|
|
|
Finally, someone doing something new with two strokes. Hopefully they dont gently caress it up. http://www.enduro360.com/2011/11/19/featured/new-ossa-250i-300i-enduro-models/ If its actually clean, it would be great to see someone put this tech in a street bike.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 03:32
|
|
|
Olde Weird Tip posted:Isnt part of that process that you be the owner of the land that it was abandoned on? I think it depends on the state, that does sound likely though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 03:40
|
|
|
Olde Weird Tip posted:Isnt part of that process that you be the owner of the land that it was abandoned on? I think it is possible to claim an abandoned vehicle that's been left on the road. A friend of mine is trying to do this with an old Honda that was parked on the street for months. It finally got notices from the city that they were going to impound the vehicle (and likely destroy it) if the owner didn't contact them/move it, so my buddy moved it and is finding his way through the paperwork. I don't know what the process is like, though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 05:18
|
|
Gay Nudist Dad posted:I think it is possible to claim an abandoned vehicle that's been left on the road. A friend of mine is trying to do this with an old Honda that was parked on the street for months. It finally got notices from the city that they were going to impound the vehicle (and likely destroy it) if the owner didn't contact them/move it, so my buddy moved it and is finding his way through the paperwork. I don't know what the process is like, though. Is it legal to move someone else's car that is on public property? I feel like that's a good way to waste a bunch of money / time on paperwork just to have the owner find out and drive it off one day.
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 05:27
|
|
|
JP Money posted:Is it legal to move someone else's car that is on public property? I feel like that's a good way to waste a bunch of money / time on paperwork just to have the owner find out and drive it off one day. Nope, probably not! He'll probably never be able to get in touch with the actual owner/claim it in any way and it'll just get taken away by the city! Just like what was supposed to happen originally. It's a CM400 Hondamatic, I'm not sure what he was thinking, honestly. He does have a buddy at the DMV (DOL here) that's apparently helping him where possible, though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 06:14
|
|
|
Linedance posted:it takes less than that to cut it. If it exits, there's a tool out there to destroy it. Impressive, I wonder how it would hold up to proper hardened chain (rebar is the soft cheese of the steel world, and those u-locks aren't much better). I imagine it has the power, I wonder how well the blades will hold up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 15:13
|
|
|
ReelBigLizard posted:Impressive, I wonder how it would hold up to proper hardened chain (rebar is the soft cheese of the steel world, and those u-locks aren't much better). I imagine it has the power, I wonder how well the blades will hold up. Steel cable is even better than chain. Unless that (or any) cutter is never-been-used sharp it'll end up flattening out the cable instead of cutting its strands.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 15:30
|
|
|
Boat posted:Steel cable is even better than chain. Unless that (or any) cutter is never-been-used sharp it'll end up flattening out the cable instead of cutting its strands. I don't know what would perform better versus that particular tool, but I do know that a hardened steel chain is much more resistant to cutting than a steel cable. `Coming from the bicycle world, the best lock you can get is this massive hardened chain made by Kryptonite. Steel cables are much more common but can easily be defeated by bolt cutters - even relatively thick ones. I find it funny that a lot of you guys argue about the merits of those doofy disc locks on your $2,000+ motorcycles while I ride my $800 bicycle around with a 10 pound chain around my waist if I'm parking in the city. I imagine if I parked my motorcycle in a city I'd use a hardened chain around a sturdy pole with the back wheel and a u-lock conected to something else, if possible, with the front wheel or frame. That said I've only parked my moto in the 'burbs and don't require any locks. FuzzyWuzzyBear fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 13, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 15:56
|
|
|
FuzzyWuzzyBear posted:I don't know what would perform better versus that particular tool, but I do know that a hardened steel chain is much more resistant to cutting than a steel cable. `Coming from the bicycle world, the best lock you can get is this massive hardened chain made by Kryptonite. Steel cables are much more common but can easily be defeated by bolt cutters - even relatively thick ones. When I used to ride my mtb in the city I wouldn't carry a lock - I'd just never leave it alone. Didn't trust any lock for it. Buddy and I used to take turns watching each others bikes while ordering coffee etc. I have a disc lock for the moto but I don't usually bother with it. if it gets stolen I have insurance.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 16:07
|
|
|
GanjamonII posted:if it gets stolen I have insurance. What steps does an insurance company take from the moment you call saying "my bike was stolen" to ensure your bike was in fact stolen and not sitting in your garage? What's their fraud prevention strategy?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 16:16
|
|
epswing posted:What steps does an insurance company take from the moment you call saying "my bike was stolen" to ensure your bike was in fact stolen and not sitting in your garage? Overall? They charge everyone else more money eventually due to rates going up - same with your policy usually. I'd assume a police report would be filed and thus if you tried to register it again it's going to come up stolen or something. There's probably plenty of people who try to pull this so the honor system is most likely employed. I'd personally be scared shitless riding around on a bike that I knew was listed as stolen. I guess the kinds of people that call up their own insurance saying the bike was stolen aren't the kind that worry about that sort of thing that much though.
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 17:07
|
|
|
When I filed a claim with my renters insurance I had to give them a police report, and they contacted the utilities board. I imagine if you report your bike stolen you are required to submit a police report at the very least. I don't think "insurance company" and "honor system" belong in the same sentence.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 17:11
|
|
teknicolor posted:When I filed a claim with my renters insurance I had to give them a police report, and they contacted the utilities board. I imagine if you report your bike stolen you are required to submit a police report at the very least. I don't think "insurance company" and "honor system" belong in the same sentence. I meant that if you call up an insurance company while standing in the middle of a parking lot alone they're probably inclined to believe you had your vehicle stolen. Especially with a police report. I imagine they let the cops pretend to search for it for a day or two before starting the paperwork on that nice shiny check they're about to cut you. I'm sure the insurance companies employ people who check their records against registration records to prevent fraud but I can't imagine they catch a large majority of people trying to cash in and steal their own bike. I think the fear of highly increased premiums of an unknown amount keeps people honest as well as the fear of being arrested when you get pulled over for a burnt out taillight or something stupid on your stolen bike.
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 18:05
|
|
|
Yeah, good luck trying to renew your registration and on that bike you reported as stolen, not to mention the fact that you're clearly riding it with no insurance. If you get caught, insurance fraud is a pretty serious crime.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 18:14
|
|
|
ReelBigLizard posted:Impressive, I wonder how it would hold up to proper hardened chain (rebar is the soft cheese of the steel world, and those u-locks aren't much better). I imagine it has the power, I wonder how well the blades will hold up. I've been trying to find examples of someone using them on hardened steel, but so far no joy. Most examples are people using manual 36" or 42" bolt croppers. Anyone know the shear or tensile strength of 1010 steel vs hardened types?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 18:30
|
|
|
epswing posted:Where on the bike do you store it? Or do you wear it like a messenger bag? Looks heavy. It's about 10kgs, carry it in a Joe Rocket spacepak on a givi rack. Don't really notice the difference in weight, but I imagine it makes my front wheel lighter than it would be otherwise..
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 18:59
|
|
|
Any chain can be cut, but that doesn't matter so much, because there will always be more thieves without the tools than with them, and likewise more bikes without chains than with them. If you lock yours up with something decent, you put yourself into a minority target position. Unless you have like a $10k+ bike, or parked it somewhere nice and secluded, there's no good reason for them to take yours instead of one that's way easier. Make it "unattractive" to thieves, and let insurance take care of the rest.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 19:20
|
|
|
SlightlyMadman posted:Any chain can be cut, but that doesn't matter so much, because there will always be more thieves without the tools than with them, and likewise more bikes without chains than with them. If you lock yours up with something decent, you put yourself into a minority target position. Unless you have like a $10k+ bike, or parked it somewhere nice and secluded, there's no good reason for them to take yours instead of one that's way easier. Is there a decent tracking system provider in the US? There's a few decent ones in the UK, costs in the region of £300 and results in your bike more often than not making it's way back to you. One's definitely going in my next bike..
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 19:29
|
|
|
SlightlyMadman posted:Yeah, good luck trying to renew your registration and on that bike you reported as stolen, not to mention the fact that you're clearly riding it with no insurance. If you get caught, insurance fraud is a pretty serious crime. Trackbike  Note: I would never actually do this.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 19:34
|
|
|
_Dav posted:Is there a decent tracking system provider in the US? There's a few decent ones in the UK, costs in the region of £300 and results in your bike more often than not making it's way back to you. One's definitely going in my next bike.. LoJack is apparently pretty good, but I don't understand why anyone would do it unless you have something totally irreplaceable. I can either pay $700 for a LoJack tracker which may or may not result in my bike eventually making its way back to me, or I can pay an extra $3/mo to get full insurance on my bike which means I definitely get a brand new one if it ever gets stolen.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 20:01
|
|
|
SlightlyMadman posted:LoJack is apparently pretty good, but I don't understand why anyone would do it unless you have something totally irreplaceable. I can either pay $700 for a LoJack tracker which may or may not result in my bike eventually making its way back to me, or I can pay an extra $3/mo to get full insurance on my bike which means I definitely get a brand new one if it ever gets stolen. In the UK atleast, if your claim on your stolen bike, you're going to be paying for it through hugely inflated premiums anyway. If I lose my NCB, I'd pretty much be priced out of having any bike over 250cc for atleast 2 years.. My excess would probably be more than the cost of a tracker in the first place.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 20:53
|
|
|
_Dav posted:In the UK atleast, if your claim on your stolen bike, you're going to be paying for it through hugely inflated premiums anyway. If I lose my NCB, I'd pretty much be priced out of having any bike over 250cc for atleast 2 years.. My excess would probably be more than the cost of a tracker in the first place. Is insurance crazy expensive over there, or something? I pay about $100/yr for a really good insurance policy. Even if the doubled my premiums, it would still take over 5 years for the increase to equal the cost of LoJack.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:05
|
|
|
I'm paying $1400 per year. 28 years old, Suzuki GS500, new rider. (Part of the reason I got this bike is because a 650 was $2400 per year.) Insurance is the biggest loving scam :/
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:10
|
|
|
epswing posted:I'm paying $1400 per year. 28 years old, Suzuki GS500, new rider. Have you shopped around? That can't possibly be right.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:12
|
|
|
SlightlyMadman posted:Have you shopped around? That can't possibly be right. Go get a quote, mang http://www.ridersplus.com/insurance_quotes.php (You can use postal code L5N3M7 on the form, and choose moto license M2, and that you got it sometime in 2011) epswing fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 13, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:13
|
|
|
Newish rider. 750/yr on a Standard with M2 License. (600cc GSF Suzuki) First year of insurance, 3rdish year of having M2. 25 years of age. Go Canada?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:18
|
|
|
Who are you with? I just picked up my M1 in Aug, M2 in Oct, so I'm guessing that's why mine is stupidly high for a 500cc.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:22
|
|
|
I'm paying £400 for a 2005 Z750s (I'm 23, 2years NCB in London) for 8000 miles travel per year. For a new speed triple once I'm 24 with 3 years NCB is about £1000 Third Party Fire + Theft, with bikesafe rider training, crazy chain, tracker and immobiliser. Insurance is expensive in London in particular, and for males under 25 (having a desirable/powerful bike really doesn't help either).
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:24
|
|
|
epswing posted:Who are you with? I just picked up my M1 in Aug, M2 in Oct, so I'm guessing that's why mine is stupidly high for a 500cc. TD Melechemonix or however you spell em. I get a small discount through work.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 21:46
|
|
|
I'll be damned, at least that's one thing that's better in America! Of course, you're all saving more in health care than I am in insurance I guess.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2012 22:15
|
|
|
Wow. I put in my bike and info, and a full year of my insurance costs half of their monthly quote. 25x as much for insurance? WTF. I guess no helmet law really DOES keep my insurance rates down.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2012 00:58
|
|
|
And then you get stupid poo poo like this: (I was rear ended at about 10mph in my car at a junction. One of the insurance companies must have passed my details on to some shady 'claims' company)
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2012 01:13
|
|
|
Insurance on motorcycles is crazy expensive in the UK relative to the US, partially because of the elevated risk of your scooter getting nicked by a chav.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2012 11:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:21 |
|
|
Snowdens Secret posted:Insurance on motorcycles is crazy expensive in the UK relative to the US, partially because of the elevated risk of your scooter getting nicked by a chav. I pay over £1000 and thats just third-party...
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2012 12:44
|
|